Thread: “Are guest worker programs a solution?"

“Are guest worker programs a solution to illegal immigration?”

And the answer is…No. Not even close.

Let us posit that ANOTHER Guest Worker Program is passed, JUST for those who are already here. Word travels fast, you know, almost as fast as those who would race across our borders, north and south, to grab a piece of the American Dream. How would you know who has ‘been here’ from who crawled in last night? What would you do, ASK them?

In any type of reform, it is first necessary to identify the problem. We do NOT control our borders. Without absolute border control any GWP is doomed before it starts. It will fail for the same reasons every other amnesty has ever failed. They don’t stop coming.

So now the border is secure. Fences, National Guard, citizen patrols, whatever it takes.
But what about all the illegal aliens ALREADY here? That solution, amazingly enough, is so simple as to be mind-boggling.

Enforce the current laws ALREADY on the books. What a concept, huh?

Granted, business owners who use illegal labor will wail about their impending doom, but don’t fall for it, it’s a lie.

Agri-business will tell you that without illegal labor a head of lettuce will cost you $10. Statistically, only 10% of the cost of fresh fruits and vegetables is labor. Even if the cost of legal labor DOUBLED, the resulting price would rise only 10%.

Building contractors will tell you that the cost of a new home would double without their illegal labor. Do you honestly believe that half the cost of a new home is the LABOR that built it? What have you been smoking? Wages paid in the construction trades have been stagnant or falling for several years. Has that resulted in LOWER home prices?

Illegal aliens have the human rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as stated in our Declaration of Independence, but they have no claims on the Bill of Rights, as that ONLY applies to citizens. People here in violation of our laws are not citizens; therefore they are not entitled to the benefits of citizenship. The only thing they have a right to is a trip back home, paid for by their country of origin.

We can just deduct it from their foreign aid money.

Jeff Hermann

Originally Posted by PinestrawGuys

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Illegal aliens have the human rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as stated in our Declaration of Independence, but they have no claims on the Bill of Rights, as that ONLY applies to citizens. People here in violation of our laws are not citizens; therefore they are not entitled to the benefits of citizenship. The only thing they have a right to is a trip back home, paid for by their country of origin.

We can just deduct it from their foreign aid money.

Jeff Hermann

They have those Rights in their country, if that country abides by a Constitution. Not here. If you illegally enter a foreign country, what Rights of yours will be respected? Certainly not your "Human Rights".

Don't mean to be nitpicky here Pinestraw, but that's how it is everywhere else. And I'm sure our "friend and neighbor" Felipe wouldn't welcome us with open arms, unless we had about 10 billion to invest in his corruption.

“Are guest worker programs a solution to illegal immigration?”

It NEVER has been, and NEVER WILL BE a solution.
The only solution would be attrition in the workplace, and deportation, AND....

NO COMPROMISES, NO MIDDLE GROUND, NO GUEST/TEMPORARY WORK PROGRAMS, NO EARNED CITIZENSHIP, NO OPEN-ENDED COUPONS FOR A $2,000 CITIENSHIP, NO INCREASES TO VISAS, AND NO TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHEREVER YOU ARE.....

All those who are here illegally should never be given a second chance to return under any circumstances. They have already broken the law by trespassing.

The Latino's should not be the first choice to become legal citizens. We have people all over the world who are trying to become legal and law abiding citizens. Latino's should stand in line just like everyone else in the world does.

Originally Posted by PinestrawGuys

Building contractors will tell you that the cost of a new home would double without their illegal labor. Do you honestly believe that half the cost of a new home is the LABOR that built it? What have you been smoking? Wages paid in the construction trades have been stagnant or falling for several years. Has that resulted in LOWER home prices?

Oh yes, definitely. Heck, with all of the illegals building the homes here in California, we definitely see how affordable housing has been made

About Guest Workers: Yeah, it has been tried 4 times in this nation's history. The results are always the same: wage depression, and more illegal immigration............Something tells me that is EXACTLY what Washington is looking for.....

Well it would solve the border problem if they do what they want and just give everyone a GW card they would have no need of coming across the desert, but then isn't that what they want open borders, that way nobody is illegal! Slime balls, do we look that stupid, gawd I hope not!

It seems like the only thing that citizenship brings is the ability to pay taxes! They don't want citizenship. They are perfectly happy to work in the "shadows" if they were just left alone. That way, they can avoid taxes and collect all kinds of "gummit" benefits. Citizenship brings responsibility and that is a deal breaker for them. There were a lot of people who never came forward in '86.

Any temp. workers should be on a case by case basis. If Swift can't find workers after exhausting all avenues then they could apply for temp. workers. But there are programs for this already in place. Enforcement is the only thing missing from the present system.

When was the last time a politician refered to citizens of the United States of America by anything other than 'taxpayer' or 'consumer'?

Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

Originally Posted by PinestrawGuys

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Illegal aliens have the human rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as stated in our Declaration of Independence, but they have no claims on the Bill of Rights, as that ONLY applies to citizens. People here in violation of our laws are not citizens; therefore they are not entitled to the benefits of citizenship. The only thing they have a right to is a trip back home, paid for by their country of origin.

We can just deduct it from their foreign aid money.

Jeff Hermann

They have those Rights in their country, if that country abides by a Constitution. Not here. If you illegally enter a foreign country, what Rights of yours will be respected? Certainly not your "Human Rights".

Don't mean to be nitpicky here Pinestraw, but that's how it is everywhere else. And I'm sure our "friend and neighbor" Felipe wouldn't welcome us with open arms, unless we had about 10 billion to invest in his corruption.

Agreed Hylander, in their country of origin.

Originally Posted by PinestrawGuys

“Are guest worker programs a solution to illegal immigration?”

Is that a real question? That is not even a question that needs consideration, IMO.