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    Trump goes after Ford Motor Co., Clinton at Mich. rally

    Trump goes after Ford Motor Co., Clinton at Mich. rally
    Chad Livengood, Detroit News Lansing Bureau 12:07 a.m. EST December 22, 2015

    Walker — Donald Trump vowed Monday to pressure Ford Motor Co. to reverse its $2.5 billion expansion of manufacturing operations in Mexico if he’s elected president.

    The Republican presidential front-runner continued his months-long campaign trail criticism of the Dearborn automaker during a speech Monday night before a raucous crowd of 8,100 supporters who packed a suburban Grand Rapids basketball arena.

    The bombastic billionaire said he would slap Ford with a punitive 35 percent tax for “every car, bumper and part” produced at an expanded plant in Mexico.

    Trump said he would hike the tariff to 40 percent if Ford CEO Mark Fields initially balks at his demand that the company bring production back to the United States.

    “I’m a free trader, but we can’t be stupid traders,” Trump told supporters who stood outside in the rain for hours to see him speak at the DeltaPlex Arena in Walker.

    In April, Ford said it would add 3,800 jobs in Mexico as part of a $2.5 billion investment — on top of the 11,300 Ford already employs in Mexico, where the company has had operations for about 90 years. The investment will include a new engine plant and new transmission plant allowing for exports of engines to the United States and elsewhere. Fields has said Trump has misstated facts about its production in Mexico.

    Trump’s plan to slap Ford with a special tax would likely violate the North American Free Trade Agreement and require an act of Congress to impose. But the plan drew applause from Cody Higley, 30, of Paw Paw.

    “We need somebody that’s going to actually challenge companies to do business in America,” Higley said after the speech. “We want American cars to be built in America by Americans.”

    Trump spoke for an hour in a freewheeling address that meandered from Ford to the country’s trade imbalance with China, while taking several jabs at GOP presidential rival Jeb Bush and Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton.

    Trump pushed back at Clinton’s new claim that the Islamic State terrorist group is recruiting jihadist fighters with video of Trump.

    “She’s a liar,” he said.

    At one point, Trump commented on Clinton being temporarily missing after a commercial break during Saturday’s Democratic presidential candidate debate.

    “I know where she went. It’s disgusting,” Trump told the crowd. “I don’t want to talk about it.”

    No fewer than 10 protesters were kicked out, garnering boos from the crowd.

    During one of the outbursts, Trump said they were “staged.”

    “You really are a loser,” Trump told one protester. “Get him out.”

    Trump also touted his latest polling numbers against Republican rivals such as Bush and South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, who dropped out of the race earlier Monday.

    Trump called Bush’s single-digit polling numbers “sad.”

    “His family’s so ashamed,” Trump said.

    Steve and Linda Berta of Farmington Hills drove more than two hours to see Trump and were among several thousands of supporters who stood in line outside for hours on a rainy afternoon in west Michigan ahead of his 7:30 p.m. rally.

    “We are the silent majority,” Linda Berta said of Republicans supporting Trump’s campaign for the GOP presidential nomination next year.

    “I think the (Republican) establishment is all talk. Once they get into Washington, D.C., they go and do something outside of what their promises are.”

    During his speech, Trump said he’s building a “movement” that will propel him to the White House.

    “This isn’t a silent majority anymore,” Trump said. “This is a very loud, very aggressive, noisy majority.”

    A consistent crowd draw

    Outside of the arena, long lines snaked through the parking lot of the events center, resembling the huge crowds then-Sen. Barack Obama attracted in 2008 during his history-making campaign for the White House. Dozens donned the “Make America Great Again” hats the Trump campaign has used to market the billionaire’s unorthodox candidacy.

    “It looks like there’s a lot of support from all age groups,” said state Rep. Jon Bumstead, R-Newaygo, as he stood near the back of the line.

    Bumstead is one of the few Republican elected officials to publicly support Trump in a crowded GOP presidential field of mostly politicians.

    Trump, who has never held elected office, has mostly dominated the Republican primary polls for six months. He has been riding a wave of media publicity from his controversial campaign rhetoric and plans for blocking the flow of Mexican and Muslim immigrants into the country.

    Bumstead said he thinks Trump will attract independents, Democrats and young voters in Michigan’s March 8 GOP primary who would otherwise stay home and not vote.

    “I think he’s got a really good chance (of winning the GOP nomination),” Bumstead said. “People are looking for a real change.”

    Seth Winderholler, 30, of Grosse Pointe said he likes that Trump is wealthy enough to fund his own campaign without the type of big donations other candidates rely on.

    “We don’t have to worry about him selling out ... to lobbyists and special interests,” Winderholler said after the speech. “When he’s president, he won’t have to answer to the people who funded him.”

    Heath Corey, a paramedic from Stockbridge, considers himself an independent and said Trump is winning his vote because he “grasps” the views of “common people.”

    “I just like it that he tells it like it is and he’s not politically correct,” said Corey, 44. “I’m like a lot of people — I’m fed up with the whole damn political system.”

    Dozens protest outside

    As Trump supporters packed into the DeltaPlex, fewer than 100 Democrats protested out by the street, chanting “Hey, hey, ho, ho, Donald Trump has got to go.”

    Many of them wore T-shirts expressing their support for Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, the Democratic socialist who is attracting huge crowds in his presidential primary battle against Clinton.

    Andrew Geer, 20, of Grand Rapids held up a handmade sign that read: “Hate is not part of making America great.”

    Geer said Trump is spreading hatred by railing against people from Mexico living in the country illegally, and proposing a temporary ban on Muslims entering the country on suspicion that they may have ties to radical Islam.

    “This hate that he’s roiling up in his base is not the way to make people respect us. It will only make them hate us more,” said Geer, a Sanders supporter.

    Robert Smith, a UAW member who works at a Grand Rapids-area auto supplier, compared Trump’s candidacy with the bombastic Southfield attorney Geoffrey Fieger, whose 1998 Democratic campaign for governor flamed out in the general election against incumbent Republican Gov. John Engler.

    “I think Trump will be a national version of Geoffrey Fieger,” said Smith, a Democrat. “He’s got a lot of low-information voters who are impressed because he doesn’t have a verbal filter.”

    But in a general election, Smith said, “the establishment voters will just go away.”

    “I don’t think he can survive a general election,” Smith said.

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    Bumstead said he thinks Trump will attract independents, Democrats and young voters in Michigan’s March 8 GOP primary who would otherwise stay home and not vote.
    Yes, I totally agree with you, Mr. Bumstead, 100%.

    Sounds like he had great rally in Michigan!
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    “I’m a free trader, but we can’t be stupid traders,” Trump told supporters who stood outside in the rain for hours to see him speak at the DeltaPlex Arena in Walker.
    Fair trade, not free trade! Free trade agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA are killing us. Is Trump also a supporter of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    Fair trade, not free trade! Free trade agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA are killing us. Is Trump also a supporter of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)?
    Trump opposes TPP and wants to repeal or renegotiate the other trade deals already in force like NAFTA, CAFTA and so many others like the US-Vietnam and US-South Korea Bilateral Trade Agreements. There are dozens and dozens of these smaller ones that don't even get any press. He also wants to get rid of the Office of US Trade Representative and have the President responsible for negotiating trade agreements out of the White House, something I totally support.

    The Office of US Trade Representative is responsible for the negotiation of all these agreements which are a total sell-out of the US, only benefit the other countries, and are terrible deals, either because the people are incompetent or outright traitors.

    And of course our Congress is too stupid and unwilling to do anything about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Trump opposes TPP and wants to repeal or renegotiate the other trade deals already in force like NAFTA, CAFTA and so many others like the US-Vietnam and US-South Korea Bilateral Trade Agreements. There are dozens and dozens of these smaller ones that don't even get any press. He also wants to get rid of the Office of US Trade Representative and have the President responsible for negotiating trade agreements out of the White House, something I totally support.

    The Office of US Trade Representative is responsible for the negotiation of all these agreements which are a total sell-out of the US, only benefit the other countries, and are terrible deals, either because the people are incompetent or outright traitors.

    And of course our Congress is too stupid and unwilling to do anything about it.
    The others don't get the press because they aren't as large and destructive. I still think Trump should espouse fair trade, not free trade.

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    What is worrisome @ the general election is the large Democratic party and they always pull that lever. No way in the world liar hillary deserves to be president. She would further destroy this country to the point of no return just like Benghazi...and bill in the white house again, sickening...can't let it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    The others don't get the press because they aren't as large and destructive. I still think Trump should espouse fair trade, not free trade.
    I think he should espouse protected trade.

    But these free trade treason agreements are neither free nor fair. When an agreement governing trade is thousands of pages of rules and regulations that cost us jobs and money, that is not free trade, it's treason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by artist View Post
    What is worrisome @ the general election is the large Democratic party and they always pull that lever. No way in the world liar hillary deserves to be president. She would further destroy this country to the point of no return just like Benghazi...and bill in the white house again, sickening...can't let it happen.

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    Lasttime this pair lived in the White House, he had an affair in the Oval Office, rented out the Lincoln Bedroom to the Chinese, and Hillary stole the furniture. Americans will not pull the lever for her when they're reminded of these things. And no one can drive those points home to the heart and soul better than Donald Trump.

    And like someone said on another thread, Trump is just getting started.

    But first, he needs to knock his Republican opponents out, win the nomination and then start punching Hillary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    I think he should espouse protected trade.

    But these free trade treason agreements are neither free nor fair. When an agreement governing trade is thousands of pages of rules and regulations that cost us jobs and money, that is not free trade, it's treason.
    Fair trade, protected trade, same thing in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    Fair trade, protected trade, same thing in my book.
    They aren't.

    Fair trade:

    Fair trade is a social movement whose stated goal is to help producers in developing countries achieve better trading conditions and to promote sustainability. Members of the movement advocate the payment of higher prices to exporters, as well as improved social and environmental standards.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=fair...utf-8&oe=utf-8

    Protected Trade:

    DEFINITION of 'Protectionism'

    Government actions and policies that restrict or restrain international trade, often done with the intent of protecting local businesses and jobs from foreign competition. Typical methods of protectionism are import tariffs, quotas, subsidies or tax cuts to local businesses and direct state intervention.

    http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/protectionism.asp
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