People get the government they deserve..do we deserve this?

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Figures......corruption from the top and the bottom and the middle gets destroyed.

We have lost control of our government. It is our fault ultimately. What do we do about it?

Ultimately, yes, it is our fault. But, to be a self governing nation we have to be informed. Our media does not inform the public, it tries to mold it or tell it what it should be thinking about. I wish I had the quote from Benjamin Franklin regarding this. It was the reason for the free press.

I blame myself for not being more informed and active in the past. But with the power of the middle class vote I believe we can change the political direction of Washington. At this minute, I know more about how my Representatives & Senators vote & say than ever before. Also, I now know a lot about how other Representatives & Senators form other states are voting. I went most of my life and probably wrote one letter to my Reps.....now I have written over 30 in the past two weeks. From what I have read similar things are happening to others on this forum.

I am an optimist, but what scares me now is that we have the wrong President at the wrong time in history. So, we have to work that much harder to counteract his poor leadership on immigration issues.

Is there a list of Senator's and Reps on where they stand on illegal immigration???

I've been fighting the corrupt federal government for 11 years -- Congressional oversight is a joke ... the FBI and the "Justice" Department don't care about criminal activity ... we need to take back our government, starting in the state

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Do I smell the potential for a third party?


OHHHHHH!! I hope there are enough people to get a third party going. The mood is right at the moment and I hope the momentum keeps going.

After they are all thrown out of office they should be forced to live in illegal alien communites. Mu ha ha ha :twisted:

Some Benjamin Franklin quotes...Jeez, this guy is great!!

A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins.

When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic

It is the fist responsibility of every citizen to question authority

Outside Independence Hall when the Constitutional Convention of 1787 ended, Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, "A republic, if you can keep it."

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

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Is there a list of Senator's and Reps on where they stand on illegal immigration???

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Here is a short list that I have been working on. This is just from my own reading and some input from others on this forum. Also, this does not mean all listed are completely against any amnesty. It just represents those that at least seem to be willing to take a tougher stand than most on border security and punishment for employers. Most, but not all are Republicans, but I don't care about party so I did not list. I just want action.

If you can add or think some should be removed please feel free to comment.

Representatives
Rohrabacher – California
King- New York
Sensenbrenner- Wisconsin
Baker- Louisiana
Jindal- Louisiana
Tancredo- Colorado
Jones- North Carolina


Senators
Cornyn- Texas
McConnell- Kentucky
Kyl- Arizona
Nelson- Florida
Vitter- Louisiana
Jeff Sessions- Alabama

Damn and to think all the other senators and Reps are bordering on this subject, it should be obvious to them.

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Damn and to think all the other senators and Reps are bordering on this subject, it should be obvious to them.

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My thoughts also. This is just a starting list. I hope there are more tough ones out there I just don't have them listed yet.

In answer to the question - yes We deserve what we are getting - however -

our children and grandchildren do not -

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Damn and to think all the other senators and Reps are bordering on this subject, it should be obvious to them.

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My thoughts also. This is just a starting list. I hope there are more tough ones out there I just don't have them listed yet.

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I get the feeling Bush has the same list, and is "WORKING HARD", to bully, bribe, and threaten their careers unless they change their minds.

It seems to me America is like a dying animal surrounded by hungry wolves...

We are being attacked on all fronts, we are at war with islam, at war trying to save what scraps are left of our culture, at war with some of our own citizens who themselves seem intent on destroying America. N. Korea, Iran, Syria, Russia etc are all intent to see the end of us and yet our leaders just go on ignoring it all like it will go away.

I can only see the shadow of Rome darkening over us and we are repeating the same mistakes that brought that empire to its knee's.

The immigration issue on its own could destroy this country, but with everything else on top of it I wonder what hope we have.

I will never stop fighting...that is all we can do.

And now..a spanish American anthem?!?!?! I don't have a bucket large enough to hold all the vomit for that one!!!

Is there any kind of anti-illegal protests going on in Florida??? I am sick of sitting here complaining to myself...and faxing and calling my reps has done jack as we can all see.....grrr....

Welcome to the first MAJOR step toward Meximerica...VIVA BUSH!!

I'm moving to mars where there are no illegals... ;)

FireForEffect, I can help you with your groups in Florida !! They are wonderful people. Really nice. Really determined. Really ready to roll.

I will send you a pm tomorrow because it's kind of late. It will probably be later in the day too. :D
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Thanks!
Yeah it seems like the American public is outraged yet we are all sitting here wondering what we can do? Millions of illegals are taking to the streets and the dirtbag media is eating it up and saying how great it is. It is sickening!!

I have seen this coming for years and am not at all surprised by any of it frankly. This single issue is why I voted for Tancredo instead of Bush. I knew this would all come down like this.

I am not too positive about our future. I think we are in a trap we cannot escape from. We all know the reality of this is simple...the illegals aren't going anywhere. BOTH parties want them here for differant reasons and BOTH parties don't give a DAMN what the people want. So what are we supposed to do?

Just wanted to respond to some comments here....

(Here in CA. the majority of illegals are from Mexico - so I will focus on that issue)...

Yes, I think 'we' - our own gov't and the people (for not paying attention)are to blame along with the Mexican gov't for this situation....

For one, we have laws in place but don't enforce them....Why?...because our gov't and the Mexican gov't could care less about the illegal problem....'We' love the cheap labor and the Mexican gov't expects us to deal with those they could care less about, and encourages them to come here...

Third, policies must change...otherwise nothing will...With the passage of NAFTA and GATT over a million Mexican farmers have been 'displaced'....

Until the bottom line is addressed....Which is the Corporate model currently in place - creating wealth in fewer hands and gov'ts not addressing the bottom line needs for their own people - then nothing will change....

Most illegal people come here because they are desperate for a better life and then companies here hire them...that's the bottom line...
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Like someone stated above....It's a very difficult problem now....and asked 'what do we do'?....

Firstly, one thing...that I would think would be a 'no brainer' - is to demand that our gov't deport those illegals who are criminals - who committed crimes after they came here...and don't let up until they do...

Another would be to demand that our gov't change it's policy in regards to Mexico and also put pressure on the Mexican gov't to create a more just and equitable society in Mexico.....no small feat, given those reasons above...

Welcome snake

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Firstly, one thing...that I would think would be a 'no brainer' - is to demand that our gov't deport those illegals who are criminals - who committed crimes after they came here...and don't let up until they do...

Another would be to demand that our gov't change it's policy in regards to Mexico and also put pressure on the Mexican gov't to create a more just and equitable society in Mexico.....no small feat, given those reasons above...

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Got to disagree here. The first thing to be done is to SECURE THE BORDERS. Why keep deporting lawbreakers when they just sneak back in?

I personally favor the National Guard along the southern border WHILE a 2,000 barrier is put up. It can be a wall, a fence, whatever as long as it keeps people from crossing illegally.

Then get on with the deportation process.

If you think Cornyn deserves to stay in office, I have to disagree. The reason I didn't want to vote for him from the very beginning was because he said straight out he wanted amnesty for illegals. He has fought harder for their amnesty than he has for closed borders. I wouldn't vote for him if he came to my door and offered me a million bucks for my vote.

My answer to your "do we deserve this" is hell no we don't deserve this! We should have the right to trust our politicians and our president not to sell us down the river like this, this is their own personal failing not ours. If we get into the mindset that we do deserve this for whatever reason it might defeat us. That is like asking did I deserve to have my child raped by its father or stepfather simply becasue I trusted them to act honorably and they didnt. It is only your fault if you stay in that situation and don't fight your way out of it through hell or high water. That is what we are tring to do now, get rid of these wolves that ran around in sheep's clothing until they gained our trust then turned on their loyal constituents, this is their failing not ours!I refuse to be manipulated into thinking this is my fault! I have to admit though I voted for Bush twice have to take a little credit, the last time I voted for him though was not really a vote for him but a vote against Kerry who I still think would have been even worse then Bush, we didn't have a fair choice this time unless you wanted to vote for yourself, which I just might do next time around!

All American - heres some more for your list and an adjustment on King unless there is more than one (besides Dubya :) )

Congressman Steve King is from Iowa absolutely opposed to amnesty
Senator Grassley from Iowa also opposed to amnesty ("any form of it")

Senator Harkin from Iowa needs his priorities straightened out please feel free to adjust them. He believes it must be a compromise because "you can't deport 12million people".


Senator Debbie Stabenow MI has a strong ammendment if it is going to be some miserable compromise she put some serious teeth in it.

Congressman J.D. Hayworth AZ strong opponent of amnesty and pushing the fence.

Thanks, I will add to list.

had enuf....

I agree we need to have more secure borders....but I think a wall will be a waste of money and mostly useless...

The underlying problems have to be addressed for anything to change...