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    Pope’s border wall around Vatican

    SEPTEMBER 24, 2015
    BY OLAF EKBERG

    While Pope Francis is in the United States effectively advocating for a borderless America, many people are amused by the irony of the giant wall surrounding his own Vatican City.


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    Obviously the Pope doesn't want any illegal immigrants either��

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    TEAR DOWN THAT WALL‼️
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    Take the lead, Holy Father: Tear down that wall!


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    @oldjimmymac @realDonaldTrump maybe you missed the giant wall around Vatican City. Here's a pic for you. pic.twitter.com/px2mkKTkOn
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    During his speech before Congress, Pope Francis implored U.S. politicians to embrace migrants seeking to come into America.

    “Our world is facing a refugee crisis of a magnitude not seen since the second World War,” the pope said, according to USA Today, including “thousands of persons (who) are led to travel north in search of a better life.

    “We must not be taken aback by their numbers, but rather view them as persons, seeing their faces and listening to their stories, trying to respond as best we can to their situation.”

    “To respond in a way which is always humane, just and fraternal. We need to avoid a common temptation nowadays: to discard whatever proves troublesome.”

    The wall in these photos is something more impressive than anything even Donald Trump could build.

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    Pope is a meddling hypocrite.
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    BY TAYLOR WOFFORD ON 2/18/16 AT 5:38 PM
    POPE FRANCIS SUGGESTS DONALD TRUMP 'IS NOT CHRISTIAN'


    Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump, or anybody "who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian," Pope Francis told reporters aboard his plane on Thursday.

    The pope's remark came after a six-day visit to Mexico, where the leader of the Roman Catholic church emphasized the plight of refugees and migrants, who have entered the United States from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras in increasing numbers since 2014.

    Trump immediately fired back at the pope. "If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows is ISIS's ultimate trophy, I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been President because this would not have happened. ISIS would have been eradicated unlike what is happening now with our all talk, no action politicians," Trump said in a statement.

    "The Mexican government and its leadership has made many disparaging remarks about me to the Pope, because they want to continue to rip off the United States, both on trade and at the border, and they understand I am totally wise to them. The Pope only has heard one side of the story—he didn't see the crime, the drug trafficking and the negative economic impact the current policies have on the United States."

    In fact, much of Francis's trip was spent in the northern regions of the country, where the ongoing battles between drug cartels and police are most evident.

    The pope's remark came during a wide-ranging press conference in which the leader of the Roman Catholic Church also suggested that women in regions affected by the Zika virus could be permitted to use artificial birth control.

    Pope Francis Suggests Donald Trump 'Is Not Christian'


    Pope Francis says Donald Trump is 'not Christian' for wanting Mexico border wall | Daily Mail Online




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    POPE ON TRUMP: ANYONE WHO WANTS BORDER WALLS ISN'T CHRISTIAN

    BY NICOLE WINFIELD
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    ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE (AP) -- Pope Francis said Thursday that Donald Trump is "not Christian" if he wants to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexican border. Trump immediately fired back, saying it is disgraceful for a religious leader to question a person's faith.

    The rare back-and-forth between pontiff and presidential candidate was the latest astonishing development in a U.S. presidential race that has been roiled by Trump's freewheeling rhetoric and controversial policy proposals, particularly on immigration.

    The front-runner for the Republican nomination, Trump has said that if elected, he will build a wall along the Mexican border from Texas to California and expel 11 million people who are in the country illegally. The Pope's comments en route home from Mexico came hours after he prayed at the Mexican border for people who died trying to reach the United States.

    Asked what he thought of Trump's pledge, Francis said: "A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the gospel."

    Not having heard about Trump's border plans independently, Francis said he'd "give the benefit of the doubt." But he added: "I say only that this man is not Christian if he has said things like that."

    Trump, a Presbyterian, shot back within minutes.

    "For a religious leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful," he said at a campaign stop in South Carolina, which holds a key primary on Saturday. "I am proud to be a Christian and as president I will not allow Christianity to be consistently attacked and weakened."

    He also said the Mexican government has disparaged him to the Pope and separately invoked the Islamic State group, saying that if it attacks the Vatican, "I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been president because this would not have happened."

    While Trump has made his plans to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border a centerpiece of his campaign, other candidates have similar positions. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson are among those who have explicitly called for construction of a wall.

    Other Republican candidates, including Ohio Gov. John Kasich, have called for enhanced border security and fencing but stopped short of backing a wall or other structure along the entire length of the border.

    The U.S. government has built some 650 miles of wall along the 1,954-mile U.S.-Mexico boundary.

    Marco Rubio, a Catholic seeking the GOP nomination, said in response to Francis' comments that Vatican City has a right to control its borders, and so does the United States.

    Rubio said he has "tremendous respect and admiration" for the Pope, but added, "There's no nation on earth that's more compassion on immigration than we are."

    Trump has been critical of the pope's visit to Mexico. He said last week that Francis' plans to pray at the border showed he is a political figure being exploited by the Mexican government.

    Asked Thursday if he felt he was being used as a pawn of Mexico, Francis said he didn't know.

    "I'll leave that up to your judgment and that of the people," he said.

    He seemed pleased to hear that Trump had called him a "political" figure, noting that Aristotle had described the human being as a "political animal."

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    Asked Thursday if he felt he was being used as a pawn of Mexico, Francis said he didn't know.
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    The person may change but the cloths and ideology remain the same.

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    Mr. Pope, Tear Down This Wall

    Pope Francis sure opened a can of worms criticizing border walls.
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    by BEN SHAPIRO
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    Mr. Pope, tear down this wall.

    On Wednesday, Pope Francis traveled to Ciudad Juarez in Mexico, where he stood across the border from the United States and paid homage to “migrants who have perished trying to reach the United States just a stone’s throw away,” according to Reuters. He then blessed crosses next to which “shoes of migrants who died” were laid, and added, “No more death! No more exploitation!”

    Not content to rabblerouse on behalf of an inundation of the world’s great economic superpower – a free and open superpower with an extraordinarily beneficent immigration policy – Pope Francis then attempted to shame Donald Trump and other Republicans who favor a border wall. He told reporters, “a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the Gospel. As far as what you said about whether I would advise to vote or not to vote, I am not going to get involved in that. I say only that this man is not Christian if he has said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt.”

    To which Trump responded, “If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows is ISIS’s ultimate trophy, I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been President because this would not have happened.”

    The Pope obviously has his priorities well in order: he says he can’t judge homosexuals who consider themselves Catholic, but he’s happy to judge anyone in favor of border control. He’ll rip capitalism – the very economic system acting as a magnet from the Marxist countries of Latin America – and jabber about global warming, but say little to nothing about the Christians and Jews being slaughtered in the Middle East by Muslims. That’s because the Pope is a devotee of a less radical version of liberation theology, a philosophy that mashes up Marxism with Catholicism and was ripped by Pope John Paul II (“does not tally with the church’s catechism”) and Pope Benedict XVI (“singular heresy”). Pope Francis has introduced liberation theologists back into the Vatican. As The Guardian (UK) reported last year:

    J Matthew Ashley, chair of the theology department at the University of Notre Dame, where Gutiérrez is also professor, says the pope has been greatly influenced by the Argentinian variety of liberation theology, which is called the theology of the people… “There are many points of similarity between Gutiérrez’s theology and Pope Francis’s thought, addresses and actions. Both have emphasised that opting for the poor requires getting to know the poor, becoming friends with the poor… both have a great respect for the spirituality of the poor, particularly in everyday life,” Ashley says.

    But it seems that the Pope’s distaste for borders runs only one way: away from the Vatican. The Vatican, like many ancient cities, is surrounded by massive walls. Those walls were built over a thousand years ago. Its immigration policy is incredibly strict: while 800 people live within Vatican City, just 450 or so are citizens. The security at Vatican City is second-to-none: the Gendarmerie Corps of Vatican City State has 130 members, armed with guns. Virtually the only crime in Vatican City is pickpocketing in St. Peter’s Square. St. Peter’s Square is typically policed not by the Swiss Guard but by Italian police.

    Meanwhile, according to CNN, the Vatican Bank holds $8 billion in assets; the Vatican has over $1.2 billion in assets off the books; it holds countless priceless assets, of course. How about spreading the wealth around? Why not build bridges? Why not welcome thousands of Syrian Muslim refugees or Latin Americans seeking to enter the United States illegally into Vatican City? Thus far, the Pope’s big move in favor of open immigration has been to accept two families into Vatican parishes.

    That, by the Pope’s own lights, is insufficient.

    It’s time for the wall to come down, Pope Francis. Gorbachev didn’t build the Berlin Wall, but he tore it down when the time came. Pope Francis can be just as historic. He can offer free, unchecked and permanent entrance not merely into St. Peter’s Square but into the Vatican itself; he can redistribute the wealth of Vatican City to help migrant families. After all, a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be – even the Vatican — is not Christian, we’ve recently heard. Such exclusivity isn’t in the Gospel.

    How about it, Pope Francis? Why not open this gate? Why not tear down this wall?

    Unless, perhaps, there’s often an excellent reason for gates and walls.

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    By Ben Kamisar - 02/18/16 12:22 PM EST


    Trump slams Pope Francis for questioning his faith: 'Disgraceful'

    Donald Trump bashed Pope Francis on Thursday for criticizing his plan to build a border wall, portraying the pontiff as duped by the Mexican government.

    Trump said Francis publicly questioned his faith with a statement that said building walls "is not Christian."

    “For a religious leader to question a person’s faith is disgraceful. I'm proud to be a Christian and as president, I will not allow Christianity to be consistently attacked and weakened, unlike what is happening now with our current president," he said.

    “No leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man’s religion and faith.”

    Trump, who is Presbyterian, argued that Vatican City could come under attack from Islamic terrorists and that the pope would then be glad if Trump were president.

    “If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows is ISIS’s ultimate trophy, I can promise you that the pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been president because this would not have happened,” Trump read from a statement at a Thursday rally in South Carolina.

    “ISIS would have been eradicated, unlike what is happening now with our all talk, no action politicians.”

    Trump's response came minutes after reports that Pope Francis criticized Trump in a conversation with reporters on his plane.

    “A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not of building bridges, is not Christian. This is not the gospel,” the pope said, according to CBS.

    Francis demurred when asked whether people should vote for Trump, according to CBS. But he did add, "This man is not Christian if he has said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way, and I will give him the benefit of the doubt."

    The pope recently concluded a trip to Mexico by laying a wreath on the U.S. border meant to honor refugees who have died in the passage to the United States.

    While Francis avoided direct criticism of the U.S. during the trip, the wreath-laying gesture sent a clear signal of his views.

    Trump argued that the pope was misled by the Mexican government and was only fed “one side of the story” that didn't explain the positives that would come from his border wall.

    “The Mexican government and its leadership has made many disparaging remarks about me to the pope because they want to continue to rip off the United States both on trade and at the border and they understand that I am totally wise to them,” Trump continue.

    Trump spoke kindly of the pope earlier Thursday, before the reports about Francis’s statements were released.

    "I respect the pope, and I love the pope in many ways," Trump said on SiriusXM's Breitbart News Daily.

    "I love what he stands for, and I like his attitude. He’s very independent, and he’s very different. He’s sort of a modern day pope if you think about it."

    Trump's criticism of the pope comes ahead of Saturday's GOP primary in South Carolina, a state he is strongly favored to win.

    The businessman has made a play for evangelical voters in the state, seeking to prevent a late surge by Ted Cruz, who has been running second in polls.

    In 2014, South Carolina was tied for the second-lowest percentage of Catholic residents in the U.S., with just 9 percent of state residents identifying themselves with the faith in a Gallup poll.

    Trump slams Pope Francis for questioning his faith: 'Disgraceful' | TheHill

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    ‘He's got an awfully big wall at the Vatican, I will tell you!’ Trump can’t resist poking fun at the Pope as he plays down spat with 'misinterpreted' Francis and suggests Mexican government is to blame


    • Trump softened his approach to the Pope hours after calling him 'disgraceful' for questioning his Christianity
    • During a CNN televised town hall, he said the Pontiff's statement was actually 'softer' than what the media had first reported
    • Trump suggested that the government of Mexico had used Francis as a pawn and prodded him into making a statement critical of him
    • He also said he would meet with the Catholic cleric 'any time he wants'
    • Day-long tiff erupted when the Pope criticized Trump for wanting to build a wall on America's southern border
    • Trump pointed out that Francis lives behind a massive wall that circles the Vatican
    • See more of the latest on Donald Trump and his spat with Pope Francis

    By DAVID MARTOSKO,
    US POLITICAL EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

    PUBLISHED: 23:43 EST, 18 February 2016 | UPDATED: 08:34 EST, 19 February 2016


    Donald Trump struck a hybrid tone Thursday night on his day-long tiff with the Vatican, saying he thought Pope Francis' comments about his faith were overblown – but poking fun at the Pontiff for living in a city surrounded by a giant protective wall.

    'I think it was probably a little bit nicer statement than was reported by you folks in the media,' Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper during a presidential town hall broadcast.

    'Because after I read it, it was a little bit softer. But the bottom line is we've got to have a border, we've got to have security. We have tremendous illegal immigration in the country.'

    'He also talked about [how] having a wall is not Christian,' Trump observed of the Pope's words.
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    Donald Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper (right) Pope Francis' comments about his faith were overblown, but still poked fun at the Pontiff for living in a city surrounded by a giant protective wall






    'And he's got an awfully big wall at the Vatican, I will tell you.'

    Trump reiterated his months-long contention that 'we're going to build a wall, and Mexico's going to pay for the wall. And that's the way it is.'

    When Cooper reminded Trump that 'people do come and go through the Vatican, and it's open to tourists,' Trump pounced.
    'They're going to come and go through the wall' he will erect on America's southern border,' he said, 'but they're going to come and go legally. And that's what I want, and that's what a lot of people want, obviously.'

    The global leader of the Roman Catholic Church told reporters early Thursday en route to Europe after a visit to the U.S.-Mexico border that 'a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the gospel.'

    Minutes later Trump had taken a harsh line, saying the Pope was 'disgraceful' for declaring he was not a Christian.
    But he shrugged hours later, suggesting that 'somehow the government of Mexico spoke with the Pope, I mean they spent a lot of time with the Pope. And by the time he left he made a statement.'

    'I didn't think it was a good thing for him to say, frankly,' Trump jabbed.
    'I don't like fighting with the Pope. I don't think this is a fight.'


    The mogul said: 'The bottom line is we've got to have a border, we've got to have security. We have tremendous illegal immigration in the country.




    'I think he said something much softer than what was originally reported by the media. I think that he heard one side of the story, which is probably by the Mexican government. He didn't see the tremendous strain that the border is causing us with respect to illegal immigration, [and] wiith the drugs pouring across the border.'

    Trump recalled that during his successful campaign in New Hampshire, drug abuse – specifically heroin – was 'the biggest single problem' everywhere he went.

    'They have a massive drug problem,' he said. 'We're gonna stop it. And it's pouring through the southern border.

    The Donald said he would be interested in a sit-down with Francis to hash out their differences.

    'I'll do it any time he wants. I mean, it would be very interesting,' he said.

    'I like him. I mean, I like him as a personality. I like what he represents. And I certainly have great respect for the position.'
    Cooper chuckled at recalling a 2015 Iowa event during which Trump told a skeptical audience of evangelical Christians that asking the Almighty for forgiveness wasn't a common ritual in his faith life.



    Trump answers an audience members question in a CNN South Carolina Republican Presidential Town Hall with host Anderson Cooper on February 18, 2016 in Columbia, South Carolina

    'Was there a moment when you first heard the Pope had said something about you, that you thought, "Maybe I'm gonna have to ask for forgiveness?"' Cooper asked him.

    'No,' he replied, as the studio audience laughed along with him.

    'No. Look, I have a lot of respect for the Pope. I think he's got a lot of personality. He's very different. He's a very different kind of a guy. And I think he's doing a very good job. He's got a lot of energy.'

    'But I'd say that I think he was very much misinterpreted. And I also think he was given false information.'
    Trump said he wished Francis had 'heard our side, the side from people who live in the United States.'


    HOW A RAID BY MUSLIM PIRATES PROMPTED VATICAN OFFICIALS TO BUILD THE WALL

    Vatican City is the smallest independent state in the world. An enormous stone wall acts as a boundary between the micronation and the rest of Italy.

    Nowadays, it serves as a way for the Swiss Guard to control the stream of tourists coming in and out of the Pope's home.
    But, just over 1,200 years ago, it was an integral form of protection for the Pope, who was a targeted figure after the fall of the Holy Roman Empire .



    A huge stone wall surrounds the Vatican City, the smallest state in the world. The Pope suggested that Trump planning to build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico was not Christian

    The fortification was first built after a raid by Muslim pirates in 846. Arab raiders sacked Rome in a bid to find treasures.
    Watch towers were put in place to watch for would-be intruders.

    It also helped to protect Pope Gregory VII around 200 years later when the Holy Roman Emperor besieged Rome.



    The fortification was first built after a raid by Muslim pirates in 846. Arab raiders sacked Rome in a bid to find treasures. In the 19th century it kept the Pope separate from the rest of Italy

    In the 1640s, Pope Paul III expanded the fortifications, and additional defenses.

    In 1870, the Pope's residency in the Vatican was left in flux when Rome was annexed by the Piedmont-led forces which had united the rest of Italy.

    They had created the Kingdom of Italy, a change opposed by Pope Pius XIII as it undermined his autonomy in some areas.
    Between 1861 and 1929 the status of the Pope was referred to as the 'Roman Question' and the walls served as a way of keeping him isolated from the rest of Italy.

    Within the walls, Italian politicians did not challenge the Pope's autonomy. But, in other parts of the country, church items were confiscated.

    In 1871, the Palazzo Quirinale, the Papal palace since 1583, was confiscated by the king of Italy and became the royal palace.

    Thereafter, Popes resided undisturbed within the Vatican walls.

    Certain papal prerogatives were recognized by the Law of Guarantees, including the right to send and receive ambassadors.
    But the Popes did not recognise the Italian king's right to rule in Rome, and they refused to leave the Vatican compound until the dispute was resolved in 1929.

    Ever since the autonomy of the Vatican within the walls has not been challenged by the Italian government.




    The global leader of the Roman Catholic Church told reporters early Thursday en route to Europe after a visit to the U.S.-Mexico border that 'a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the gospel'



    Trump recalled that during his successful campaign in New Hampshire, drug abuse – specifically heroin – was 'the biggest single problem' everywhere he went



    Trump walks into the crucial town hall event ahead of the South Carolina primary this weekend
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    Yep, and store-front preachers put padlocks on the ramshackle 'churches' they run their scams from, too!

    Absolutely no difference between Pope Frankie and your typical 'community organizer.' They're both running rackets to separate the gullible from their wallets.
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