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    You need 60 votes in the Senate and we don't have them. So what you're suggesting is to do nothing. He won't go there. Trump wants progress, he wants to get rid of the mandates that are taxing individuals and employers that are depleting expendable income and restricting job growth.

    Be patient. I think he'll have the votes to pass Phase 1, I heard today the bills for Phase 3 are already drawn and introduced. Barletta is going to spear-head the bill to exclude illegal aliens from the tax credits. Meadows and some others are going to try to delete the amount of care that's required to be covered, they call it a term which I can't think of right now, but it's like mandated services under a policy.

    Anyway, people need to try not to get too frustrated with the ups and downs that are going on, this is just typical stuff with a complicated tedious bill in a political world.

    Personally, I would just like to repeal the whole mess and pass McCarran-Ferguson and let the chips fall where they may but DemoQuacks make that impossible. I am getting a kick out of the Republican Governors who are whining "don't take our expanded Medicaid and subsidies away". I mean, GO FIGURE!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Hmmmmm.

    Well, lets see, oh yeah, because the IRS doesn't know who is or is not in the country illegally. DHS knows that, they are the only ones who know that.
    That sounds easy enough to remedy. Why can't the IRS get the information they need from DHS and the Social Security Administration?

    It's way past time for the IRS to stop operating as a corrupt government arm where covering illegal immigrants is concerned. Let them become part of the solution instead of part of the problem. Right now the IRS is helping illegals with their fraudulent tax returns and this needs to stop! From what I've heard they hand out ITINs out like candy with minimal to no verification and ignore SSA no-match letters. The IRS could tighten up significantly if forced. Just my opinion.

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    That sounds easy enough to remedy. Why can't the IRS get the information they need from DHS and the Social Security Administration?

    It's way past time for the IRS to stop operating as a corrupt government arm where covering illegal immigrants is concerned. Let them become part of the solution instead of part of the problem. Right now the IRS is helping illegals with their fraudulent tax returns and this needs to stop! From what I've heard they hand out ITINs out like candy with minimal to no verification and ignore SSA no-match letters. The IRS could tighten up significantly if forced. Just my opinion.
    It requires a law to require it. Obamacare has it for the subsidies. The Phase 1 bill is getting rid of them, but is being amended through a Budget Conciliation Process under Senate Rules which doesn't allow that type of law for the tax credits because it involves a department the Senate Committee has no "purview" over. This has all been explained 2 days ago and as of last night and reported early this morning the problem has been solved with Barletta's bill to deny all tax credits to illegal aliens.

    The IRS needs to be and will be abolished. Most useless agency in the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    It requires a law to require it. Obamacare has it for the subsidies. The Phase 1 bill is getting rid of them, but is being amended through a Budget Conciliation Process under Senate Rules which doesn't allow that type of law for the tax credits because it involves a department the Senate Committee has no "purview" over. This has all been explained 2 days ago and as of last night and reported early this morning the problem has been solved with Barletta's bill to deny all tax credits to illegal aliens.

    The IRS needs to be and will be abolished. Most useless agency in the country.
    Barletta's bill is not a solution that can be depended on because nothing but taxes and death are a sure thing. I hope his bill is successful, but it's not a basket we can put all our eggs in.

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    Barletta Introduces Bill to Deny Health Care Tax Credits to Illegal Immigrants

    Mar 22, 2017
    Press Release
    Part of Multi-Step Process to Repeal and Replace Obamacare

    WASHINGTON – Congressman Lou Barletta (PA-11) today introduced his bill to deny health care tax credits to illegal immigrants and ensure that Americans’ hard-earned tax dollars go only to those with valid social security numbers. Barletta’s bill, the Verify First Act, H.R. 1671, is the result of a meeting he had with President Donald J. Trump and Speaker Paul Ryan on Tuesday, during which Barletta stated that he would not vote for the American Health Care Act (AHCA) without provisions to prevent illegal immigrants from receiving federal health benefits. Barletta announced that he will vote for the AHCA only after securing a guarantee from the president and the speaker that the House will vote on his bill.

    “Since my time as mayor of Hazleton, I have fought to secure our borders and fix our broken immigration system,” Barletta said. “In order to stop illegal immigration, we need to end the practice of giving benefits to those who unlawfully enter our country. It is an outrage that a half a million illegal immigrants received three-quarters of a billion dollars in Obamacare payments, while American workers and families were priced out of their health care plans due to Obamacare’s skyrocketing premiums. My bill will protect the American taxpayer by ensuring that no tax credits are given to illegal immigrants.”

    Barletta’s Verify First Act requires the Treasury Department to verify individuals’ social security numbers with both the Social Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security before issuing health insurance premium tax credits. Barletta has been working to garner support for his bill, which the House will consider as part of the multi-step process to repeal and replace Obamacare.

    A Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs report issued last year revealed that, under Obamacare, a half a million illegal immigrants received $750 million in health care subsidies. During a House Committee on Education and the Workforce Committee meeting last year, Barletta sharply questioned former Secretary of Health and Human Services Sylvia Mathews Burwell about the Obama Administration’s policy of handing out hundreds of millions of dollars to people who cannot prove they are in the United States legally.

    You can watch Barletta’s questioning of former Secretary Burwell here.

    http://barletta.house.gov/media-cent...gal-immigrants
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    Use the nuclear option! Do we really want to keep health-care nationalized?

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    Use the nuclear option! Do we really want to keep health-care nationalized?

    Paul Ryan and other RINO Republicans and trying to con the American People by alleging a 60 vote threshold is needed in the Senate to repeal Obama’s nationalization of America’s health-care. The fact is, all that is necessary is for the Republican Party Leadership to do is to use its power that the American People have given them.


    The last time the Republicans controlled the House, the Senate and Presidency was in 1928! And now that they are in full charge, we are seeing they have no intention to remove the federal government’s iron fist from the necks of the American people, and end Obama’s nationalization of the American People’s health-care, and return to a free market system, and States being in control of helping their own poor and needy with respect to health-care, which is commanded by our Constitution and especially the Tenth Amendment!


    Make no mistake! There is billions of dollars in profits to be manipulated by our federal government as long as its hand is meddling in the people’s health-care needs. And this is why Paul Ryan, like Obama, want to keep the federal government hand involved in the People’s health-care ___ it allows the redistribution of billions of dollars in a clever money laundering operation in which the federal government determines winners and losers.


    The irrefutable fact is, Paul Ryan and a number of other fake “conservatives” are conning the American People into believing a 60 vote threshold is needed to remove the iron fist of our federal government from the necks of the American people. Haskins is spot on. See Haskins: GOP should go ‘nuclear’ on Obamacare repeal


    ”Most recently, in 2013, then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and fellow Democrats used the nuclear option to push through federal judicial nominees.


    If Republicans go “nuclear,” they will merely be following Reid’s example, despite inevitable cries they are violating centuries-old Senate tradition, as Democrats have done many times. But what is more important: violating tradition or reforming a health-care system that is causing millions of people to suffer and costing hundreds of billions of dollars?


    Republicans have a duty to uphold their vow to repeal and replace Obamacare, Senate traditions be damned.”



    Keep in mind that after Obamacare is repealed and the federal government’s usurpation of power over the American People’s health-care is ended and power returned to the States and people therein as commanded by our Constitution, the nuclear option can be reversed. This option, withdrawing unauthorized powers usurped by the federal government, has not been available since 1928! The question is, do the American People prefer “safety” over “liberty”?


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    This option, withdrawing unauthorized powers usurped by the federal government, has not been available since 1928! The question is, do the American People prefer “safety” over “liberty”?
    Yes, Americans do prefer safety over liberty if not for themselves for their family members. What Trump is trying to do is the very best things that can be done to fix this problem. He wants to repeal the mandates, this is where we get our liberty back. That's what Phase 1 does regardless of all the other things Republicans are trying to negotiate. He wants to repeal McCarran-Ferguson, this is how you increase competition, end anti-competition behavior, and reduce the cost of the insurance that pays for medical care. If only those 2 things are accomplished by Republicans with the Phase 1, 2 and 3 plan, we'll have our freedom back, we'll have more choices, and we'll have lower costs. Republicans are also trying to do other things like change ratios, requirements, Medicaid, and much more. And Trump supports many of these changes as well. Will the make a difference, these other things? Who knows. If they don't work, then do something about them later. But the important changes in my opinion are restoring freedom by eliminating the mandates and passing a repeal of McCarran-Ferguson to restore interstate competition, those are the dramatic necessities that our country needs right here, right now, because with these, the rest works itself out in the marketplace, especially with regulatory changes.

    Well, anyway, we'll see what happens today. Last I heard this morning is they're waiting for CBO to issue a report on the latest revisions. Apparently that's why a Republican conference meeting was postponed this morning to have these numbers in hand before the vote later today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Yes, Americans do prefer safety over liberty if not for themselves for their family members. What Trump is trying to do is the very best things that can be done to fix this problem. .

    The problem will never be fixed as long as the federal government can meddle in the people's health-care. Return the power to the states and people therein. What is the problem with federalism, our Constitution's plan?


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    Because in reality, states haven't done a very good job for the people of our country. They protected slavery. They protected segregation. They refused to give blacks and women equal rights. They pick on gay people. They pander to illegal aliens. They demand money from the federal government. They ratified the 16th Amendment that established the income tax. They banned alcohol. They've protected a vile insurance and medical industry raping sick people. They've supported "free trade treason" that cost them their manufacturing jobs and sustainability.

    Throughout our history, our states just haven't done a very good job with their reserved powers and the dissatisfaction has led to a more powerful federal government to protect the people from the states in response to that poor job.

    The States have regulated the entire insurance industry since 1945. Now people expect the States to solve a problem they alone created under the protection of McCarran-Ferguson Act? I don't think they have a clue what to do except ask for money to support all the poverty they've either created or failed to solve.

    Trump's got this. If people will support him and the Phase 1 bill in some form so long as it has the repeal of the mandates on individuals and employers and support the repeal of McCarran-Ferguson, the rest will work itself out in due course.
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