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    PATRIOTMAN wrote
    My students in Iraq tell me that they are in a police action not a war
    Perhaps some are in that position because WE'VE TIED THEIR HANDS BEHIND THEIR BACKS ONCE AGAIN!!!!

    But that's not the case in fact. It's very difficult for them with our bowing down to "international law" etc. Make no mistake, our men are fighting every day. You don't see them in the forefront and I'm glad that's the case with the media being so hungry for a miss step.

    Patriotman, we must NOT allow any Pres. to grab that kind of power on our soil. Very DANGEROUS PRECIDENT that we will NOT be able to turn back. It has far reaching effects that could put our backs to the wall and cause great trouble. Also, our men would be put in an even more precarious situation with "law" should they have to defend themselves with ILLEGAL aliens........we'd be seeing tons of Military on trial for less than panties on a head.

    If we had our "war games" held on the borders, now that would certainly be beneficial.
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    "'They' admit to 11 million...there are actually closer to 40 million Mexicans in this country...both legal and illegal...the illegal outnumber the legal x4."

    That's not necessarly true. The illegals outnumber the illegals x4 in terms of recent immigrantion but we have always had some citizens of Mexican descent living in the USA.

    I don't really care about actual numbers, all I know is it is out of control and it is tearing society apart from the school system to the health care to cultural/lingual issues and more.

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    Yankee--if you study the population of the US, there is an extra 50,000,000 people in the current population that should not be here.

    Then read the following article:

    http://ndc11.com/news/4395777/detail.html

    Then take this number of aliens x 4, the typical number of a household that files a tax return =

    28,000,000 aliens that the government can document through the tax retruns.

    For ever illegal alien household that files a return, there is at least another that doesn't.

    28,000,000 x 2 = 56,000,000

    There are now so many, that they are so visible that has the country up in arms.

    The reason they are so visible from North Carolina to California from Maine to Missouri to Washington is:

    There are so MANY.

    They represent about one-sixth the US Population.

    Anyone claiming there are less than 30,000,000 on file with the Social Security number is a liar and can not be trusted.

    The government has refused to tell us the number and has deliberately concealed the number to keep us asleep until their plan was finalized.

    There are at least 50,000,000 illegal aliens in the United States with allegiance for foreign governments with more coming in every day and the President on Social Security Holidays!!

    I'm a Republican, dyed in the wool, but this President can no longer be trusted on this issue and perhaps not on many others.
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    JUDY wrote
    The government has refused to tell us the number and has deliberately concealed the number to keep us asleep until their plan was finalized
    The TRUTH is spoken
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy
    I had some funny notions that American's didn't want to work agriculture and I said what are you talking about--my cousin picked lettuce, my dad picked fruit and they drove all the way from Missouri to California to get the jobs; all the boys in my high school bucked hay all summer.. . . , "I did farm work to, and I know how hard it is". So? I said, since when did you come to think that because it's "hard", Americans won't do it? .

    REPUGNANT!!
    when I was a "kid" we picked vegetables for my cousins in the hot sun, dug sweet potatoes, picked corn and put it in the barn -- the lizards was the worse part, we cut firewood with a crosscut saw, plucked chickens, fixed fences, put hay in the barn and helped vet cattle ... my parents told us hard work never killed anybody.


    The guys at our school picked watermelons and bailed hay too....

    the problem is: farmers are not allowed to work their children under child labor laws and are forced to hire workers.
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    1. All the canidates for office recieve their campain funds from the same place: business money elects canidates.

    2. If you don't offer enough money, Americans won't take the job, and illegal aliens will be the only ones that will take the job. Frequently, they live in really crummy conditions, and frequently, they are cheated and abused. Nice rep those growers are giving the United States.

    3. The Idaho Senator told the world that Idaho had a lot of trouble keeping their workers so they needed a million of them. When the first group of valuable workers left, they would be able to hire another goup. And while they are presenting that remarkable logic to the United States, there was not one single suggestion that if they offerred enough money, they could hire legal citizens, and full time, year around.

    4. Green Card Workers could be supplied on demand.

    I want to point out that agriculture is getting a very, very big bunch of subsidies. They hire illegal aliens, harvest and bring the stuff forward, and all of it means big growers... who recieve the bulk of the subsidies, are running the biggest scam the U.S. has ever seen, and with the permission of Congress. Damn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaw
    They hire illegal aliens, harvest and bring the stuff forward, and all of it means big growers... who recieve the bulk of the subsidies, are running the biggest scam the U.S. has ever seen, and with the permission of Congress. Damn.
    you'd think Congress never heard of "minimum wages" -- how many of them would be willing to work for under "minimum wages" ? Then again, how many of them hire "illegals" to do their yard work, clean their house, and care for their children or the elderly?

    Congress is more interested in taking care of "illegal aliens" than it is in taking care of war veterans
    "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it" George Santayana "Deo Vindice"

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