Sarah Palin Calls Out Trump's Carrier Deal, Warns Against 'Crony Capitalism'

Sarah Palin Calls Out Trump's Carrier Deal, Warns Against 'Crony Capitalism'

by Phil McCausland
Dec 2 2016, 10:28 pm ET

An unexpected dissenting voice came out Friday against a Trump administration brokered deal to keep a Carrier plant in Indiana and save around 1,000 jobs.

Former Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin in an op-ed for the Young Conservatives website called the deal, which was reportedly negotiated by Vice President-elect Mike Pence, an example of government intervention that could lead to "crony capitalism."

Palin said in the op-ed "I am ecstatic for Carrier employees!" But she wrote that while she didn't yet know the full terms of the deal, the negotiation could signal an abandonment of fiscal conservatism and stimulus packages that, if pursued, would mean the country is "doomed."

Carrier Corp. had planned to move a factory in Indianapolis to Mexico, taking 1,400 jobs with it.

Under the proposed deal with Carrier's parent company United Technologies, the company would receive $7 million in financial incentives over 10 years in exchange for a guarantee that Carrier would retain at least 1,000 jobs and invest $16 million into its Indiana operation, a source familiar with the talks has said.

The deal was touted by Donald Trump, who has pledged to keep jobs in the United States.

Palin, the former governor of Alaska, said in the op-ed that the package could encourage other businesses to threaten to leave the country in order to receive similar breaks, effectively motivating industries to blackmail the government.

"Republicans oppose this, remember? Instead, we support competition on a level playing field, remember?" Palin wrote. "Because we know special interest crony capitalism is one big fail."

Palin wrote that she was hopeful the Trump administration is aware of the pitfalls of what she called "burdensome federal government imposition."

"Gotta' have faith the Trump team knows all this. And I'll be the first to acknowledge concerns over a deal cut by leveraging taxpayer interests to make a manufacturer stay put are unfounded — once terms are made public," Palin wrote in the op-ed.

A request for comment from Trump's transition team was not immediately returned.

Palin has supported Trump and endorsed him in January during the primary campaign. Palin has been in touch with Trump transition officials about a possible role in the new administration, sources close to Palin have told NBC News.

Others have worried that the incentives given to Carrier could encourage other companies to threaten to leave the U.S. in the hopes of getting a deal from the government.

Sen. Bernie Sanders, the former Democratic presidential candidate, wrote in a Washington Post op-ed that "United Technologies took Trump hostage and won."

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Palin, the former governor of Alaska, said in the op-ed that the package could encourage other businesses to threaten to leave the country in order to receive similar breaks, effectively motivating industries to blackmail the government.

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She makes a good point here. Trump should stick with his original plan of taxing each company that outsources jobs 35% for each product shipped back here. A 35% tax on each and every heating/AC unit Carrier makes in Mexico and ships back here should be enough to give them immediate pause. What that tax also means is every heating/AC unit builder in the United States can immediately undercut each Carrier unit. Yes, such a move would be devastating to their profit margin. Of course to do this the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) has to be repealed or renegotiated. Cheap labor in Mexico won't be so cheap anymore with the add tax per product figured into the equation.

Trump needs to be encouraged to make the repeal of NAFTA an immediate concern in his new administration!

Sarah, the Carrier deal is not "crony capitalism." It's good business for the state of Indiana and the United States. Good business for states and our country results in good jobs for our citizens. The $7 million are tax incentives from the state of Indiana, not the US government, the same tax incentives that are available to any company locating in Indiana or retaining jobs in Indiana. These incentives are available for both new industry and the retention of industry.

Was it "crony capitalism" when as Mayor of Wasilla you arranged property tax abatement to bring companies to your town?

Every Governor in the country offers what Mike Pence offered to Carrier, and most leave anyway. In fact, Pence said he offered them this a year ago, and they were leaving anyway. The difference here was Donald Trump, because he's bringing the hammer down on this. He's telling them straight up, you leave this country, there will be consequences when you try to back-haul those products into the United States, you stay and there will be new benefits to producing in America, a 15% corporate tax rate down from 35%, less regulations and the goodwill of producing in the country that is buying the majority of the products you make.

The term "crony capitalism" originated with socialists and communists, not capitalists, so I would advise people who think they're some type of capitalist to stop using it.

I read somewhere on the web that it was the original deal the State had offered carrier. Carrier was paying back the incentive the State gave them. The amount paid back by carrier to the State was something like 700,000 because they were leaving the State and broke aggrement. What the article said was that the State was giving them back the 700,000 carrier paid back in agreement to stay. The rest of the incentives that was originally negotiated would be reactivated. So according to the article it was the original deal that was on table and wouldn't cost tax payers anymore that already arranged through the state.

Trump's heart is in the right place, but picking individual winners is too interventionist in the economy. Once he assumes power, it needs to be done so things are offered to all companies. When the government starts picking which individual companies will get economic benefits, it interferes with the free market's function and causes unintended unwanted consequences (something the government is famous for).

Economic central planning doesn't work. We really don't need any more examples than we've already seen in history for intelligent people to see this. I encourage everyone reading this to read "The Road to Serfdom" by F.A. Hayek.

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I read somewhere on the web that it was the original deal the State had offered carrier. Carrier was paying back the incentive the State gave them. The amount paid back by carrier to the State was something like 700,000 because they were leaving the State and broke aggrement. What the article said was that the State was giving them back the 700,000 carrier paid back in agreement to stay. The rest of the incentives that was originally negotiated would be reactivated. So according to the article it was the original deal that was on table and wouldn't cost tax payers anymore that already arranged through the state.

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I hear what you're saying. However, logic tell me a additional sweetener of some sort must have been added to the pot. It either had to be that or a threat that convinced them to change their mind. Perhaps it was a threat that worked ....... I don't know.

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I read somewhere on the web that it was the original deal the State had offered carrier. Carrier was paying back the incentive the State gave them. The amount paid back by carrier to the State was something like 700,000 because they were leaving the State and broke aggrement. What the article said was that the State was giving them back the 700,000 carrier paid back in agreement to stay. The rest of the incentives that was originally negotiated would be reactivated. So according to the article it was the original deal that was on table and wouldn't cost tax payers anymore that already arranged through the state.

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Trump's heart is in the right place, but picking individual winners is too interventionist in the economy. Once he assumes power, it needs to be done so things are offered to all companies. When the government starts picking which individual companies will get economic benefits, it interferes with the free market's function and causes unintended unwanted consequences (something the government is famous for).

Economic central planning doesn't work. We really don't need any more examples than we've already seen in history for intelligent people to see this. I encourage everyone reading this to read "The Road to Serfdom" by F.A. Hayek.

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Carrier is not the winner. Americans are the winners. It's costing Carrier a lot more to stay in Indianapolis than to move to Mexico. That is not winning, that is losing. Every company still operating in the US today is losing compared to what they would be winning in Mexico or China or Vietnam or by outsourcing.

Free Traders, the ones whose screwed up ideas about business they don't understand and economics they know nothing about, have for all practical purposes destroyed the US economy. It has to be rebuilt and protected with protected trade policies. The US was formed based on protected trade policies.

So all the Constitutionalists and "Fiscal Conservatives" and Originalists and Libertarians and Tea Parties and Freedom Caucusers or whatever else they want to call themselves are going to have be better educated than they are now, so they can their minds right on what has to be done to fix this disaster.

And Sarah Palin has just demonstrated that she's not risen to the level of knowledge or enlightenment to be a part of that recovery. The "picking of winners and losers", the "crony capitalism", and "state interventionsim" are all terms used in their opposite sense. We are in our Period of Ironies and Opposites when everything is upside down and inside out.

Keeping Carrier in Indianapolis is not picking winners and losers, it's not crony capitalism or state interventionsim. It's protected trade, America First, Jobs for Americans, Good Business for Suppliers and Vendors and the Community and Government, the very concept upon which our nation was founded and one to which we must return as quickly as possible to Make America Great Again.

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I hear what you're saying. However, logic tell me a additional sweetener of some sort must have been added to the pot. It either had to be that or a threat that convinced them to change their mind. Perhaps it was a threat that worked ....... I don't know.

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Trump said what it was if you took the time to watch his address to the Carrier workers on the subject. He told Carrier he was going to reduce corporate taxes to 15% and reduce regulations. He was also going to push consequences against anyone who leaves, a 35% tariff on all goods being back-hauled into the United States. Very simple. When you have a lower corporate tax rate and reduced regulations, their bottom-lines will improve. If you leave and have to pay a 35% tariff on goods coming back in the US, well, that eats up most of what you thought you were saving by moving to a hell-hole of peasants who don't even speak your language, plus American consumers might decide they don't want your peasant-built crap from a hell-hole with a sticker on it that says "Made in Mexico".

He just told them the truth. They're probably Democrats and didn't bother to read his plans or listen to his rally speeches and didn't know what was coming down the pike for them if Trump won. They announced this way back when most of these CEO's didn't think Trump had a chance to win the primary let alone the General Election.

Now they're informed, they know where they stand, and so they're going to stay and see what happens. They aren't keeping everything in Indianapolis. About 600 jobs are still going to Mexico, but Trump saved 1,100 of them with his phone calls. He didn't give them any money, there isn't any federal program available to give them any money except when they leave. Oh yes, when a company leaves the US and heads down to Mexico, they get a big chunk of change to pay their laid off workers extended unemployment benefits and send them to community college to "re-train" so they can learn to be an LPN for $8 an hour working for a 501 C 3.

So Trump actually saved the federal government millions and millions of dollars in Trade Adjustment Assistance Funds attached to NAFTA by keeping the 1,100 workers earning $25 an hour plus great benefits in the United States.

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Keeping Carrier in Indianapolis. . . , it's not crony capitalism or state interventionsim.

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I agree with much of what you say, but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. Singling out an individual company and giving them special treatment by the government is government intervention and is not fair to other companies who don't get the same kind of deal. Giving an individual company money (which essentially is what the deal is) is the very definition of government intervention. It doesn't matter if in the end Carrier is still losing money or not. That is irrelevant.

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I agree with much of what you say, but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. Singling out an individual company and giving them special treatment by the government is government intervention and is not fair to other companies who don't get the same kind of deal. Giving an individual company money (which essentially is what the deal is) is the very definition of government intervention. It doesn't matter if in the end Carrier is still losing money or not. That is irrelevant.

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What special treatment did they get that's unfair to other companies? The $7 million deal the state of Indiana gave Carrier is less than what Indiana does for most companies. According to Pence statement at the announcement briefing, it's in the bottom one-third of what Indiana does for companies in their state, which means 2/3 of the companies got more than Carrier.

The only thing Carrier got that to our knowledge others besides Ford didn't get, were the phone calls from Trump telling the CEO of their parent company, United Technologies, like it is and gonna be, which I totally support. And he's getting ready if he hasn't already to call Rexnord and every other company thinking about leaving the United States for foreign lands that he knows about. He's not going to sit idly by, do nothing and let these companies leave our country if he can say or do something to prevent this destructive job loss.

After all:

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke"

:)

How Donald Trump got Carrier to stay - Dec. 1, 2016 - CNN Money

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2 days ago - Carrier is getting a modest $7 million in financial incentives over the next ... The government also pays for $1.5 billion of its research and development costs. ...

How Donald Trump got Carrier to stay

by Chris Isidore and Eric Bradner @CNNMoney December 1, 2016: 2:42 PM ET

Carrier is getting a modest $7 million in financial incentives over the next 10 years from the state of Indiana to keep 1,000 jobs at an Indianapolis plant, sources familiar with the deal tells CNN.

That is just a fraction of the estimated $65 million a year it expected to save if it had moved those jobs to Mexico. It suggests that the incentives cited by Carrier were not the only factor in its decision to stay put.

The company will get $500,000 per year in state income tax refunds, as long as it keeps at least 1,069 manufacturing jobs in the state.

It will also get about $200,000 a year to retrain workers, funding which is generally provided by the state. Carrier actually had to return some retraining funds to the state when it announced plans to move to Mexico earlier this year, and this deal reinstates that money.

Related: The NAFTA teardown - Here's where Trump could start

Carrier announced late Tuesday that it had reached a deal with President-elect Donald Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence, who is currently governor of Indiana, to keep about 1,000 of 1,400 jobs at its Indianapolis plant, rather than move them to Mexico.

The company said state "incentives" from Indiana were an "important consideration" to its decision to stay put.

But experts say the state incentives are more likely window dressing.

Most research indicates that economic development incentives rarely change a firm's behavior, according to Nathan Jensen, a professor at the University of Texas. "They are a subsidy to a company with little value to society. Our research shows that offering incentives is a great way for politicians to take credit, or minimize blame, for company decisions."

Even though this package of incentives isn't a lot of money, the practice is worrisome from a policy perspective, Jensen said.

"It's clearly a small deal. But you have a business that made a threat getting $7 million it doesn't need," Jensen said, "while there are small businesses paying the full tax rate." He added that "there's the concern that this only encourages more companies to make this kind of threat to move, if not to Mexico then to another state."

Carrier's statement also cited Trump's promise to "create an improved, more competitive U.S. business climate."

It's not yet clear how much of the company's decision was based on concerns about maintaining the significant amount of business it does with the government.

Carrier parent United Technologies (UTX) is a major defense contractor, with $5.6 billion in revenue from federal government contracts, or 10% of its total revenue.

The government also pays for $1.5 billion of its research and development costs.

"I have no doubt that the company was thinking about more than a single plant when they made the decision," said Jensen.

Trump had also threatened to impose steep tariffs on goods made in Mexico that are exported back to the U.S. And he has vowed to renegotiate NAFTA, the free trade agreement between the U.S., Mexico and Canada. The uncertainty about the future of NAFTA could also have made Carrier reconsider the move.

Related: 1,000 jobs saved by Trump. Thousands more to go

Whatever the reason for the change of heart, members of the Trump team were thrilled with the credit he is getting for saving the Carrier jobs.

"The President-elect and the Vice President(-elect) picked up the phone and called the CEO of United Technologies and told them we want to keep jobs here. Can't remember the last time a president did that," Steven Mnuchin, Trump's pick to be Treasury secretary, told reporters in the Trump Tower lobby Wednesday.

The deal is being criticized by officials on both the right and the left. Sen. Bernie Sanders wrote in the Washington Post that U.S. workers' jobs are less secure because of the deal, since companies can simply threaten to move to Mexico in order to get tax breaks from the government.

"In essence, United Technologies took Trump hostage and won. And that should send a shock wave of fear through all workers across the country," Sanders wrote Thursday.

Even some conservatives said they didn't like the idea of an incoming administration getting this involved in negotiations to save one company, especially one with such a minimal impact on the overall economy. They say it smacks of government interference in the marketplace, which they think is a bad idea.

"It makes sense for a president and his team to change a tax code, change the regulatory environment to help businesses," Douglas Holtz-Eakin, president of the American Action Forum, a conservative Washington think tank, told CNN. "I'm not a big fan of this kind of negotiation. I think the more limited it is the better."


CNNMoney (New York)First published December 1, 2016: 12:04 PM ET

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What impresses me so much about Sarah Palin is that she just spoke her mind with a very constructive and supportive criticism, even though the word is Trump is considering her to run Veterans Affairs! I personally love the sound of that and think Palin would be very uplifting to the morale of our veterans while playing a very important leadership role for women in Trump's administration.

So the question becomes, does Trump really want other leaders in his administration or does he want Yes men and Yes women?

Did Sarah Palin just talk herself out of a cabinet position on Trump's Train which he admits is a movement.

And as a movement, how would we feel about Trump's appointing or dismissal of Palin?

W

Do we really know what the "deal" is? Trump is not even in office yet, where is this in writing? And how much business was Carrier going to lose by pissing people off and moving to Mexico? They will just go buy another air conditioner. They knew their sales were going to tank. Just look at Kellogg and Ford and Nabisco.

United Technologies also has a lot on the line with government contracts and Trump could make sure they lose out.

If anybody took anybody "hostage"...it was the American people by pledging to NOT buy their products and they know it.

Sara Palin can be a good cheerleader...but she can also be a dimwit. If anybody thinks Trump is going to cut a separate deal with each and every Corporation in this Country that is absurd.

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Early Trump supporter Palin suggests Carrier deal is 'crony capitalism'

Published December 03, 2016 FoxNews.com

Sarah Palin -- an early Donald Trump supporter and possible administration hire -- is questioning whether the president-elect’s Carrier jobs deal is a case of “crony capitalism.”

The former Alaska governor and 2008 GOP vice-presidential nominee says she’s “ecstatic” for Carrier employees.

However, she also wonders whether Trump’s successful bid to keep the manufacturer from moving 1,000 jobs from Indiana to Mexico is in fact a case of political influence on the free market, while acknowledging that the specifics of the deal remain unclear.

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“When government steps in arbitrarily with individual subsidies, favoring one business over others, it sets inconsistent, unfair, illogical precedent,” Palin wrote in an op-ed for the Young Conservative website.

The deal purportedly involves the furnace and air conditioning manufacturer getting $6 million in tax subsidies and $1 million in training grants over 10 years.

Fiscal conservatives repeatedly criticized outgoing Democratic President Obama of “picking winners and losers” for providing tax credits and other incentives to so-called green energies like solar and wind power while introducing more federal regulations on coal-firing plants.

“Republicans oppose this, remember?” Palin wrote. “We support competition on a level playing field, remember? Because we know special interest crony capitalism is one big fail.”

Palin is purportedly being considered for the post of Veterans Affairs secretary.

Trump vowed on the campaign trail to help military veterans receive better health care through the agency and to keep the Carrier jobs from going to Mexico, part of his overarching promise to stop U.S. companies from moving operation from Midwest manufacturing states to countries with lower costs.

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It's stunning that Sarah Palin thinks saving American jobs that pay $25 an hour plus benefits is "crony capitalism." I can no longer support her because of it.

A couple years ago Governor Perry encouraged businesses to move to Texas. No State Income Tax, Right to Work State, and he was going to give them incentives to do so. Those incentives could include anything from lower Property Tax, etc.

This is no different than Indiana...or when Boeing moved from Seattle to N.C. North Carolina gave them incentives to move to the State. Many States do this and Trump knows how to get it done...read Art of the Deal.

Whatever "deal" was made...was probably already in place with tax incentives to UT (Carrier) or the State made the deal to keep them there, this in nothing new or Earth shattering. This is between the State and the Company. Trump looked at the deal...counseled Pence on it on how to put the pressure on UT and Carrier. Plus Trump could get bids and put UT out of the government contracts already in place.

Palin, the Media, and people are really blowing this way out of proportion. Palin is a loose cannon.

A lot of people do not like Palin. I personally would not want her in a Cabinet position. She lives in AK, has a lot of personal baggage...is she really going to be committed to a full time job and be there getting the job done? Would taxpayers be on the hook for flying her back and forth to AK? I doubt she would move.

Look at Rubio...he was never there to vote on things and people called him out on it. I think Palin would be just as absent at the job.

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The term "crony capitalism" originated with socialists and communists, not capitalists, so I would advise people who think they're some type of capitalist to stop using it.

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I would like to see a citation showing this to be true. You might consider that the term "capitalist" is also a Marxist term, and I think it is Marxism that you are really referring to here. It is always a slippery slope to police the use of words alone without addressing their meaning. If you think there is a better term that "crony capitalism" to describe what she is legitimately complaining about, you should suggest it. Anti-monopoly legislation is also not a communist conspiracy.

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What impresses me so much about Sarah Palin is that she just spoke her mind with a very constructive and supportive criticism, even though the word is Trump is considering her to run Veterans Affairs! I personally love the sound of that and think Palin would be very uplifting to the morale of our veterans while playing a very important leadership role for women in Trump's administration.

So the question becomes, does Trump really want other leaders in his administration or does he want Yes men and Yes women?

Did Sarah Palin just talk herself out of a cabinet position on Trump's Train which he admits is a movement.

And as a movement, how would we feel about Trump's appointing or dismissal of Palin?

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I agree. The Trump presidency was born out of political foment and will be sustained by the same foment. We have to keep talking and contending else the opposition will ferment in the mix. We are already seeing some of this. Foment, not ferment. :)

I have never been impressed with Gov. Palin. Again, she has always seemed like a celebrity wannabe.

Maybe she thinks she can blackmail him into putting her in the cabinet to keep her from disagreeing with him. She knows and we know, the media will give her all the time she wants in front of the camera as long as she is badmouthing PE Trump.

Texas gives lots of incentives for business. Cities and counties in Texas gives incentives - like tax abatements.

They are Wal Mart's best friend.

It looks as if PE Trump is talking with others. This is a huge problem and he isn't going to be able to just wave a wand and change it.

Do you know how to eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

"crony capitalism" refers to corruption, where you have a donor who wants H1B visas, and you use your position in government to get them for them, so every member of Congress who approved H1B visas to replace American Workers is guilty of "crony capitalism." "crony capitalism" is when you use your position in government to approve a trade treaty that allows your donors to move their US based companies to Mexico, resulting in the lay-off of millions of US workers, and back-haul their products into the US without tariff or penalty.

Open borders is "crony capitalism".

Free Trade is "crony capitalism."

Secure borders and protected trade are not "crony capitalism."

Keeping US manufacturing in the US is not "crony capitalism."

Securing our borders, protecting our trade and keeping manufacturing jobs in the US are vital constitutional duties and obligations of the United States government to promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty for the people of the United States and our posterity.

Anything our government does contrary to that to promote capitalism is cronyism.

Our founders were very clear as to the purpose of our government, and they eloquently outlined it in the Preamble to the US Constitution:

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We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

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Any action taken by government that is contrary to that is not only unconstitutional, it's cronyism, favoritism, to satisfy special interests, many of them foreign interests. That is "crony capitalism". It's socialism when you force your own citizens to pay for the consequences through a forced income tax.

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I have never been impressed with Gov. Palin. Again, she has always seemed like a celebrity wannabe.

Maybe she thinks she can blackmail him into putting her in the cabinet to keep her from disagreeing with him. She knows and we know, the media will give her all the time she wants in front of the camera as long as she is badmouthing PE Trump.

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"I have never been impressed with Gov. Palin. Again, she has always seemed like a celebrity wannabe."

Easy there, both Palin and Trump are "reality television" participants. Trump bragged about being able to grab the crotches of women suggesting his star status allowed such moves. I think this is a plausible story. Let's not throw stones in a glass house.

Palin is not hustling Trump, she is advancing his presidency by providing a diversified front, however unintentionally. Making too much of a big deal out of her criticism doesn't help. I think we can safely distinguish her from Romney who is making a much sleazier display than Palin.

There seems to be a difference. PE Trump seems to honestly want to do something to make this country and it's people better. He may be doing it for his own benefit. I have always felt the best we can hope for is that politicians wants and ours mesh sometimes. So if they mesh sometimes with this President, we will be so much better off.

As for the offensive remark. Just wondering how many out there have made a repulsive remark? Just wondering--

The media's 'oh, horrors - hide your daughters' reaction would have been absolutely funny, if it weren't so many seem to buy into it. You know the media/entertainment industry - those darlings and protectors of our culture????

We hadn't had TV for about 10 years, choosing to purchase movies we wanted to watch. Our son got us DSL and Roku, etc., To say I was surprised at change in the content of movies and TV in that period is a gross understatement. I couldn't believe some of the perverted, horrific, bloody things that had been produced in the name of 'entertainment', by this same lot that was so 'just horrified'.

I felt like one of those people who wake up in a different century.



Gov. Palin is simply, I think, trying to keep herself relevant. That's what I think a lot of people are doing - the football player, Ms. Stein, etc.

Again she knows they will give her unlimited camera time if she will just criticize PE Trump and I think that's what she wants. Who knows, if she can't work her way into politics - maybe a TV show - if she does what the media wants.

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Gov. Palin is simply, I think, trying to keep herself relevant. That's what I think a lot of people are doing - the football player, Ms. Stein, etc.

Again she knows they will give her unlimited camera time if she will just criticize PE Trump and I think that's what she wants. Who knows, if she can't work her way into politics - maybe a TV show - if she does what the media wants.

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Talk about character assassination through speculation. 8O

What is unfair to Indiana Taxpayers?

1100 people keep their jobs
1100 people are NOT on unemployment
1100 people are NOT on welfare and food stamps
1100 people have a paycheck to spend and put back into the economy in Indiana
1100 people are paying taxes and have their health insurance
1100 people have not lost their homes...forced to move creating ghettos
1100 people will be making their car payment, rent, mortgage, utilities and paying their bills

The companies that do business with Carrier also have business continuing. The trucking, boxes and supplies, restaurants, Doctor's, clothing stores, office supplies, postage, shipping, etc.


I am sure there is no "net" loss to the taxpayers of Indiana.

Actually, I think her love of the camera has been well documented, as to the 'keeping herself relevant' - it was an opinion, a speculation, yes. For what other reason would she criticize PE Trump for doing something that is helping a lot of people keep their jobs? It is an opinion based on her action in the past.

If not for jumping into this political fray, what would she be doing?

For all those who think so well of this lady - what exactly has she done to get this support? That's a real question. I have admitted others probably know more about her than I do.

She has always just seemed to me a nothing, but someone who craves the spotlight. She was governor of Alaska - that just wouldn't seem to be enough to engender the sort of support she gets.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, and I'm not insulting anyone for having a good opinion of her - I just wonder why.

Did she do something really great as governor?

Well, what's even funnier is of the $7 million, $1 million is state training funds, $1 million is infrastructure improvements, and $5 million are income tax credits over a ten year period, about $500,000 a year, and are incentives Indiana had already given them some years back but recalled when Carrier announced they were going to Mexico. In return for the $2 million in training and infrastructure, which is the only new money involved, Carrier is investing $16 million in the plant which means, Indiana taxpayers just made a $9 million windfall out the gate.

There's a reason Democrats and "fiscal conservatives" have produced a $20 trillion national debt. They don't know a good deal when they see one, don't know how to make a deal to begin with, and are probably living themselves off a government grant, government check, tax-exempt 501 C 3 payroll, writing books about such, or work in the "media" talking about such. They don't understand business, productivity, how to make money making things, or keep a company alive and functioning. As a result they don't know how to keep people employed and self-sufficient. Consequently, they are responsible for our growing mammoth welfare state and dire mess.

I do wish we would at least give him a chance - let him get in office before we decide he's not going to do anything. He may not. I have to tell you, though, we simply had no other choice - the alternative was truly frightening.

I don't care if he threatened them. What some consider a threat, I consider a promise.

I agree that Palin's timing is off on this. Trump did not expect nor instigate any of what Carrier did. He was completely surprised. Palin really needs to sit back and at least wait for the guy to get into office. I am not a huge Palin fan, but I'd say reacting so strongly to Palin is equally a little ahead of the game.

Actually, reacting strongly to Palin is something I have been doing since she appeared on the scene as McCain's running mate. I haven't changed my opinion of her.

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