Thread: Scary pro-gang, anti-Jamiel Shaw website

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The 18th Street Gang in Los Angeles

Posted on 08/02/08 15:20

The typical propaganda from law enforcement is designed to stigmatize the gang by over exaggerating the extent to which the gang operates. Phrases like "violent foreign-born gang members" and "their behavior is often deadly" uses the fear card to gain public support for what ever law enforcement action is desired against the group. For years the FBI has been telling us that there exists parallels between 18th Street and international crime but many of those linkages have been overstated and just because the federal government says that 18th Street possesses weapons of mass destruction does not necessarily mean that it is true. United States Senator Dianne Feinstein published a report in 2003 which erroneously stated that 80 percent of the 18th Street gang in California consists of illegal immigrants.

Warring with Bloods

Certain factions of 18th Street in South Los Angeles are feuding with Black gangs, specifically the Bloods. In 1994, members of the Rancho Park click that were hanging out on Gibraltar Avenue in the Jungles got into a conflict with members of the Black P Stones in the Jungles. The actual source of this conflict remains in question, but an argument ensued, and an 18th Street member was murdered, thus starting the cycle of violence between the Bloods and the 18th Street. The Black Stones from the City joined the conflict, then in 1996 the Rollin' 20s Bloods got involved. More recently the Fruit Town Brims, the 4th Blood gang joined the conflict against the 18th Street. This conflict followed the war between the Venice Shoreline Crips, a predominately black gang and the Hispanic Venice 13, that saw 17 murders in 9 months from 1993-94. Eventually, Venice 13 had the support of three other Hispanic gangs; Culver City Boys, Sotel, and Santa Monica 13, but that war was over by 1996.

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I wrote an article about the murder of Jamiel Shaw to emphasize that the conflict between the Bloods and 18th Street is the primary reason why the shooter targeted Jamiel and not race. The main point is that Pedro Espinoza, was not on 5th Avenue looking for a random black person to murder. I was heavily criticized by Doug McIntyre from 790 KABC and many of his assertions about my article were completely wrong. What follows are responses to his statements made on May 13, 2008 from his morning radio show in Los Angeles.

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The word "gang" has become so stigmatized and over criminalized that the knee jerk reaction towards anything that is "gang-related" is to condemn those involved as criminals and domestic terrorists. Most of the members of a gang are not felonious offenders and most people cannot comprehend this dichotomy. The gang as a whole is not a criminal organization, but the hard core members use the gang as a conduit to express their anger, self-hate, crime and violence, while many of the other members take a back seat. The smaller group of hard core members are on a path of violent delinquent behavior regardless of gang membership because of their dysfunctional value system. Fortunately most gang members do not lash out so aggressively.

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I vehemently challenge the belief that the 18th Street gang in Los Angeles has a membership that includes 80 percent illegal aliens.

*Within the worst neighborhoods that are plagued with gangs, approximately ten to fifteen percent of the adolescent population gravitates towards gangs. This is actually a good sign, because it reveals that the gangs are not ravaging and terrorizing neighborhoods as Doug suggested, and if you go to the Arlington Heights neighborhood on any day and drive through the community some might be surprised how appealing this community looks. Additionally, only a small portion of those that gravitate towards gangs exhibit habitual and predatory like criminal behavior.

*My analysis of what may have caused the shooter to kill Jamiel is being reduced by Doug as "a short skirt defense" without understanding the severity and consequences of anyone who fashions themselves after or emulates gang culture. On one hand we are quick to criticize popular culture and hip hop for promoting gang activity through rap music and videos and other medium used by the music industry, and rightfully so for its negative influence, however we do not want recognize its potential harm on young people and the danger it poses to walk the walk. To Doug, "what difference does it make?" and to disregard this issue is irresponsible.

The murder of young Jamiel is horrific and I merely attempted to describe why the shooter targeted Jamiel.

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Jamiel wasn’t a bad kid, but he did have relationships with gang members in his community that led to Espinoza’s fatal assault on him. Jamiel lived in a community occupied by Bloods that have been at war with 18th Street for 12 years. With witnesses pointing out that a Hispanic was responsible for the murder, the only logical assailant would be a member of 18th Street, a predominately Mexican-American gang with some illegal alien members. Reports that 18th Street gang has a membership that is 80% illegal is false. Of the County’s total gang population approximately five to 10% are illegal.

Reports that 18th Street as a “supergangâ€

AND ISN'T THAT ALWAYS THE BOTTOM LINE? WE ARE ALWAYS TOLD THAT IN ORDER TO 'SOLVE' THE GANG PROBLEM WE HAVE TO GIVE GANG MEMBERS MORE MONEY RAISED THROUGH BOGUS FEDERAL 'FUNDING' EFFORTS MEANT TO REDUCE GANG ACTIVITY BY GIVING THEM MORE MONEY!!! We are also shoved more propaganda that "illegal aliens" are not the problem, but America's gang culture is, so whoop-to-do, let's not crack down on illegal aliens![/quote]



I completely agree, it isn't American culture as the Ms-13 gang came from south of the border. I find it disheartening that a young man is killed and someone tries to rationalize it by saying he had friends who were in a gang and that's why he was killed. How is that ok? He was not in a gang, he did not participate in gang activity, and he was an innocent young man doors from his home when he was MURDERED.

What a bunch of baloney! With the huge influx of illegals coming to the states, there has also been a large number of illegals joining gang's. I don't know where this author got his facts. It has been known for sometime now in Los Angeles, that black's are targeted to be killed by rival LATINO gangs. Jamiel Shaw was murdered because he was BLACK. The illegal invaders are making the problem worse because they are making the latino gangs larger in numbers. GET RID OF SPECIAL ORDER 40!!! Deport illegal gang member NOW!!!!