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    SD Bishop Calls on Catholics to Protest Trump: ‘We Must All Become Disrupters’

    SD Bishop Calls on Catholics to Protest Trump: ‘We Must All Become Disrupters’

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    by THOMAS D. WILLIAMS, PH.D.
    20 Feb 2017

    In a pointed speech this weekend, the bishop of San Diego attacked U.S. President Donald Trump, telling his audience of social justice warriors that they must disrupt Trump’s efforts to fulfill his campaign promises.

    In a 20-minute address to the U.S. regional meeting of the World Meeting of Popular Movements, Bishop Robert McElroy said that “President Trump was the candidate of disruption. He was the disrupter.”

    “Well, now we must all become disrupters,” he said.

    Acknowledging that the United States is living “a pivotal moment as a people and a nation” in which “bitter divisions cleave our country and pollute our actual dialogue,” the bishop urged his hearers to resist the temptation to unite under the president and rather to oppose him at every turn.

    “We must disrupt those who would seek to send troops into our streets to deport the undocumented, to rip mothers and fathers from their families,” McElroy said. “We must disrupt those who portray refugees as enemies, rather than our brothers and sisters in terrible need. We must disrupt those who train us to see Muslim men and women and children as sources of fear rather than as children of God.”

    “We must disrupt those who seek to rob our medical care, especially from the poor. We must disrupt those who would take even food stamps and nutrition assistance from the mouths of children,” he said.

    The crowd of nearly 700 “community organizers and social justice ‘protagonistas’” interrupted the bishop’s address nearly two dozen times with cheers and applause.

    Further along in his speech, the bishop seemed to suggest that alternative media such as Breitbart are guilty of poisoning public discourse with a different version of key news stories, which he labelled as “dishonest.”

    “Now we’ve come to a time when alternate facts compete with real facts, and whole industries have arisen to shape public opinion in destructively isolated and dishonest patterns,” said McElroy.

    Betraying his own economic biases, the bishop endeavored to pit a free market economy against human dignity, as if a centrally controlled economy were somehow more respectful of the dignity of individuals than an economy where creativity and personal economic initiative are encouraged.

    McElroy said that “the fundamental political question of our age” was whether American economic structures will receive greater freedom or be directed in a way “to safeguard the dignity of the human person and the common good of our nation.”

    In his groundbreaking encyclical letter on economic life, Centesimus Annus, Saint John Paul II offered a radically different view of the relationship between economic freedom and human dignity. He wrote that one of the key factors behind the fall of the Soviet Union was the inefficiency of its economic system, which was “a consequence of the violation of the human rights to private initiative, to ownership of property and to freedom in the economic sector.”

    Asking whether the free market system ought to be proposed to countries trying to rebuild their economy and society, John Paul famously answered:

    “If by ‘capitalism’ is meant an economic system which recognizes the fundamental and positive role of business, the market, private property and the resulting responsibility for the means of production, as well as free human creativity in the economic sector, then the answer is certainly in the affirmative.”


    Bishop McElroy seems to see things differently.

    “Let all the world know that this economy kills,” the bishop said amidst cheers, urging his hearers to agitate for an increase in the minimum wage to “at least $15 an hour.”
    Curiously, it was researchers from the University of California San Diego who found in 2014 that low-skilled workers were the most adversely affected by minimum wage increases, despite the fact that this was the group that such legislation sought to help.

    Hikes in the minimum wage have other effects besides just giving low-income workers a raise, the study found, and minimum wage increases in the late 2000s resulted in the loss of some 1.4 million American jobs.

    Sometimes soft slogans—as appealing as they are—must yield to hard economics.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...me-disrupters/

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    Yeah, removing illegal aliens many of whom are Catholic is going to impact the Bishop's weekly treasuries, membership and schools.
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    They are too hypocrite...of course, a lot of Mexicans are Catholics, better, liberal Catholics...and they playing on human rights....whatever...I want to live in the safe country and I'am Catholic too.
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    I hate it when people defend illegal immigration from south of our border only because they share the same Catholic religion as theirs. Breaking the law to come here has no excuse no matter what race or religion you are. We should all be against illegal immigration whether the illegals are Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu or whatever. I ran across a lot of Irish Americans here in Chicago who staunchly defend illegals only because of their shared religion with them. Although, Italian Americans here in Chicago don't seem to be big fans of illegals, the majority of whom are hispanic, despite their shared religion. Probably because every year, hispanics, mostly Mexicans, who are mainly descendants of Mayan and Aztec Indians from Mexico, protest the Italian Columbus Day Parade here in Chicago, blaming Columbus, and Italian Americans for stealing their land. What if hispanics one day decide to change their religion because they consider it an oppressive religion which was forced upon them by Europeans? Will people like this Catholic Bishop still support them (the illegal ones, not the legal ones)? I wonder.
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    There are 50,000 Irish in the United States illegally and many Irish support some means of helping them stay here. That's why some Irish are supporting amnesty and legalization. That's why McCain supports it. There is a lobby group trying to find a way for these Irish to remain here.

    Here's an article:

    Trump victory has Ireland worried about its undocumented immigrants in the U.S.

    By Ishaan Tharoor
    November 18, 2016

    An estimated three quarters of the more than 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States are from Latin America. The rest come from all other corners of the world, including Europe. There are an estimated 50,000 Irish citizens living and working illegally in the United States -- a tiny sliver of the undocumented population, but a considerable number for a home country of just 4.5 million people.

    And the victory of President-elect Donald Trump in the Nov. 8 election has raised concerns in Dublin over their future status. Trump signaled his intent to deport millions of illegal immigrants once he takes office, causing ripples of disquiet for tens of thousands of undocumented Irish citizens in so-called sanctuary cities such as Chicago, New York and Boston, where police are not supposed to share information with immigration authorities.

    Most have overstayed their visas and entered the casual workforce without the necessary papers. Many were banking on executive orders by President Obama -- now stalled at the Supreme Court -- that would have deferred deportations for millions of illegal immigrants who had employment and family ties in the United States. That plan, under a Trump presidency, looks dead in the water.

    “The issue of Irish undocumented has always been a concern, and I think in the light of [Trump's victory] it will continue to be," Ireland's European affairs minister, Dara Murphy, said earlier this week.

    He went on: "We have very strong relationships with Irish American politicians in particular, and we will stress the point that these people (illegal Irish immigrants) have made their homes in America and are in many ways American. They want to stay there and contribute to their country and their way of life."

    The status of these undocumented Irish workers is an emotive issue at home. Skype phone calls and video conferences for funerals, weddings and other family events are now a familiar phenomenon in parts of Ireland, with relatives in the United States unable to leave out of fear of being barred re-entry.

    Anne Anderson, Ireland's ambassador to the United States, told Politico earlier this year that undocumented Irish citizens “are in the shadows but they get on with their daily lives. But of course one of the biggest costs is that they can’t travel back to Ireland.”

    Before the U.S. election, Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny deemed Trump's populist views "racist and dangerous." But he has been more circumspect in the wake of Trump's victory and was one of the first world leaders to speak with the president-elect. Kenny has no plans to meet Trump on a visit to the United States later this month.

    Last week, Brendan Howlin, the leader of the social-democratic Labour Party, bemoaned the consequences of Trump's proposals.

    "[Trump] said that one cannot obtain legal status or become a citizen of the United States by illegally entering that country,” Howlin said. “He has said that he would deport illegal immigrants from the United States within 100 days of taking office. That clock is ticking."

    Irish Sen. Aodhan O'Riordain, another Labour politician, was more blunt with his criticism, denouncing the election of a "fascist" in the United States and arguing that Trump's success brought the world to "an ugly international crossroads." He also worried for the Irish undocumented across the pond.

    "There are 50,000 Irish people illegal in America who I'm quite sure are fearful for their futures," O'Riodain said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    There are 50,000 Irish in the United States illegally and many Irish support some means of helping them stay here. That's why some Irish are support amnesty and legalization. That's why McCain supports it. There is a lobby group trying to find a way for these Irish to remain here.
    I guess that explains it, even though other Catholics like Italians, Poles, and others could really care less about illegals. But still, even though many of them are from the same country as their ancestors, they still shouldn't be supporting illegal immigration. They are Americans first, just like many hispanic U.S. citizens are. I know most hispanic Cuban and Puerto Rican Americans are staunchly against illegal immigration, as are many Mexican Americans, although not all.
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    Exactly. I'm English-Irish with some Scott and French mixed in. I don't care if the illegals are Irish, English, Scottish, French, Hispanic, Italian, Russian, Asian or African, etc., etc.

    I want them all gone. They are stealing jobs from Americans, many of them are using welfare, they are all together burgeoning our schools beyond our ability to pay for good public education and still keep a home of our own. They complicate our health care, skew our politics and so much more. We can't afford them and ourselves, too. It's just that simple.

    Ireland is a beautiful country, a free country, a very prosperous country now. I read where there are more Mercedes in Ireland per capita than any country in the world.

    The 50,000 Irish illegal aliens should go home and enjoy and participate in the prosperity of their own nation. The others should go home and fix their countries. That's what we're doing, that's what they should do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Exactly. I'm English-Irish with some Scott and French mixed in. I don't care if the illegals are Irish, English, Scottish, French, Hispanic, Italian, Russian, Asian or African, etc., etc.

    I want them all gone. They are stealing jobs from Americans, many of them are using welfare, they are all together burgeoning our schools beyond our ability to pay for good public education and still keep a home of our own. They complicate our health care, skew our politics and so much more. We can't afford them and ourselves, too. It's just that simple.

    Ireland is a beautiful country, a free country, a very prosperous country now. I read where there are more Mercedes in Ireland per capita than any country in the world.

    The 50,000 Irish illegal aliens should go home and enjoy and participate in the prosperity of their own nation. The others should go home and fix their countries. That's what we're doing, that's what they should do.
    Well said Judy! Criminal behavior, such as entering a country illegally, should not be condoned by anyone, no matter what the reason.
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    Absolutely, Six Million Dollar Man!!

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    These Churches need to loose their tax-exempt status. Pushing people to breed with no means to feed them...our taxes pay to feed them. Also, they think they are above the Law aiding and abetting illegal aliens. These Churches have turned into big money making machines to justify their existence. Now getting involved in our politics.

    TAX THEM! HOW MANY BILLIONS IN TAX ARE THEY NOT PAYING.
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