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    SEIU's Immigration MYTHS!! EVERYONE READ THIS!!

    ALIPAC members Please read this SEIU is one of the biggest orgs that WROTE that crappy health care bill.

    This is their stance on Illegal Immigration!! Read this carefully because if you ever have to debate a OBL troll or in person at a town hall, Its real helpful to know their talking points and counter these immediately!!!

    Be knowledgeable about what is on both sides of the debate so you can shut them down!!!


    "They take our jobs"--Debunking Immigration Myths
    MYTH #1 "Immigrants take our jobs"
    THE FACTS:

    * The largest wave of immigration to the U.S. since the early 1900s coincided with our lowest national unemployment rate and fastest economic growth. In actuality, immigrants create new jobs by forming new businesses, spending their incomes on American goods and services, paying taxes and raising the productivity of U.S. businesses.

    * The problem is not immigrants; the problem is our broken immigration laws that allow big business, and its low-wage high profit model, to exploit workers who lack legal status. This divides workers' strength and drives down wages for everyone.

    * If every immigrant were required to get into the system, pay their dues, and become U.S. citizens, we could choke big business' upper hand and build a united labor movement that raises wages and living standards for all workers.


    MYTH #2 "Immigrants Don't Pay Taxes"
    THE FACTS:

    * Immigrants, no matter what their status, pay the same sales taxes, real estate taxes, gasoline taxes and other consumption taxes as citizens and legal residents. Undocumented immigrants who work in the formal economy also pay federal and state taxes that are deducted from their pay checks and go into federal and state coffers.

    * On average, undocumented immigrants contribute more in taxes than they consume in public benefits, and are estimated to have contributed nearly $50 billion in federal taxes between 1996 and 2003. They also contribute between $7-8 billion in social security funds annually--that's $100 billion in the past 15 years that they will never claim.


    MYTH #3 "Immigrants are a Drain on the Economy and the American Taxpayer"
    THE FACTS:

    * Study after study shows that undocumented immigrants contribute more to the economy than they take. Despite the myths, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for most public services--like food stamps, Medicare and Medicaid.

    * According to the Texas Comptroller, eliminating Texas' undocumented population in 2005 would have generated a 2.1 percent decline in the gross state product, a 2.3 percent decline in employment and a 2.6 percent decline in personal income.

    * America's prosperity has long depended on the hard work, commitment and entrepreneurial spirit of immigrant workers. America relies on immigrants to do some of our most difficult jobs--cleaning toilets, picking vegetables, preparing food, babysitting our children and caring for the sick and elderly. Just as they have done fore centuries, immigrants fuel the U.S. economy and create more opportunities for native-born workers.


    MYTH #4 "Enforcement and Border Security will Solve the Problem"
    THE FACTS:

    * From 1986 to 2002, the budget for the Border Patrol increased tenfold from $151 million to $1.6 billion. Yet during that same time, since 1990, more than 9 million undocumented immigrants were added to our population.

    * It is estimated to cost well over $200 billion--more than three times the total Homeland Security budget for national security in 2005--to deport today's 12 million undocumented immigrants. This cost to taxpayers doesn't begin to account for the resulting devastation of communities, small businesses and local economies.

    * We all want to stop illegal immigration, but this costly strategy of deportation and enforcement without reform has failed over and over again. Instead or restoring dignity and control, these rules will just lead to more misery, more worker exploitation, and more hate and resentment at the cost of hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars.


    MYTH #5 "Immigrants Don't Want to Learn English or Become Americans"
    THE FACTS:

    * Immigrants who arrived in the past 25 years have assimilated faster in terms of employment, education, home ownership, ability to speak English, naturalization rates, and military service than their counterparts of a century ago. A majority of Hispanics believe that immigrants have to speak English to be a part of American society.

    * High rates of military service among immigrants--35,000 immigrants or 2 percent of all U.S. troops have been deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan--reflect a deep commitment to the American way of life.

    * Immigrants today prove what centuries of immigrants have done before them--they have come here to work hard, succeed, raise the American flag with pride and embrace the freedoms and opportunity that make America great.


    MYTH #6 "There are more Immigrants Today than Ever Before in U.S. History"
    THE FACTS:

    * The percentage of immigrants among US residents was higher at the beginning of the 20th Century than it is today. Whereas, between 1870 and 1920, nearly 15 percent of the U.S. population was foreign born, today that figure is 12 percent.


    MYTH #7 "Many Immigrants are Criminals"
    THE FACTS:

    * Immigrants have the lowest crime rates of any other demographic group in the U.S. In California, Male Mexican nationals ages 18 to 40-- those more likely to have entered the country illegally--are more than eight times less likely than their U.S.-born counterparts to be imprisoned.

    http://www.seiu.org/a/immigration/they- ... -myths.php


    SEIU Principles for Comprehensive Immigration Reform
    SEIU believes that two basic facts need to drive immigration reform: 1) the current system is broken and needs to be scrapped and 2) the problem of uncontrolled immigration cannot be resolved piecemeal. The only way to really resolve the problem is through comprehensive reform implemented by the federal government. Reforming just part of the system does not work and usually makes the situation worse.

    Therefore, SEIU believes that any reform of the immigration laws must include the following elements:

    * Earned Legalization. There are 12 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the United States. We cannot realistically expect to deport that many people. The only solution is to provide an earned path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants currently in the U.S. which could include payment of a fine and a waiting period.

    * Provide for a Future Flow of Immigrant Workers. Past attempts to reform our immigration laws have failed because they have not provided for an adequate future flow of workers to meet our increased need for permanent and temporary workers resulting from a growing economy and the retirement of baby boomers. There needs to be a controlled process for letting immigrant workers come into our country to meet employers' legitimate needs for workers to fill those jobs for which there are not enough American workers. We must restore the circularity of immigration to allow workers to cross our borders legally and return to their country of origin when working in the U.S. as seasonal or "temporary" workers. Any new program has to be carefully monitored to ensure that it is not abused by unscrupulous employers and must include: strict requirements for compliance with labor standards, portability of visas so that workers can change jobs, the right to join unions and have full labor and civil rights protections. Any new employment based visa program must allow workers to bring immediate family members with them who are also work authorized, and should the worker and their family choose to stay permanently the ability to self-petition for permanent residency and citizenship.

    * Enhanced Enforcement of Labor Laws. Unscrupulous employers often employ an undocumented workforce because they think that by doing so they can violate the labor laws with impunity and obtain a competitive advantage over employers who comply with the law. Vigorously enforcing labor and civil rights laws will remove the strong incentive these employers have to hire undocumented workers.

    * Family Unification. A major source of undocumented immigrants currently is family members seeking to be united with their loved ones. Elimination of the family visa backlog and an increased number of visas to reunite families will stem this source of undocumented immigrants.

    * Secure Borders. Securing our borders and law enforcement should be part of immigration reform. However, our borders cannot be truly secured and the law enforced without first alleviating the powerful economic forces that attract immigrants to this country. That can only be done by providing for comprehensive immigration reform as proposed by SEIU that deals with these economic forces. An enforcement-only policy has not and never will work.

    * Due Process Protections. We are a nation of laws and cherish our civil rights. Therefore, there needs to be critical due process protections to ensure immigrants have the full protection of the law; including judicial review, access to the federal courts, limits on the detention of immigrants and the expansion of alternatives to detention.

    * Immigrant Integration. Successful immigration reform must promote immigrant integration in our country by learning our language, culture and laws. The federal government must support state and local governments' efforts to help integrate new Americans into our communities.

    * Bi-lateral Partnerships with Immigrant Producing Countries. The long term solution to uncontrolled immigration is to encourage real economic development in immigrant producing countries so that workers in those countries don't have to leave their native country in order to support themselves and their families.
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    Do they really think that Americans are so stupid that we don't know the difference between legal immigrants and illegal aliens (or their precious undocumented workers)?
    SEIU needs more union members to pay dues, just like the Catholic Church needs more members able to tithe more than they could in the old country.
    It doesn't matter how eloquently they phrase this, it is still more of the same garbage we have heard for years.
    And only 12 million illegals still, after thousands cross the borders weekly. The number has remained the same for years, and is just a guestimate.
    Paying taxes? Sure, on consumer goods. But paying income taxes when they have stolen someone's ID, I doubt it. Red flags would go up all over the IRS when they get all kinds of tax returns in one name with the same SSN, working in 30 states at 30 jobs simultaneously. And it will be up to the victim to straighten out this mess, which can take years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vortex

    Do they really think that Americans are so stupid that we don't know the difference between legal immigrants and illegal aliens (or their precious undocumented workers)?
    ONLY THE LIBS AND LEFT-WINGERS ......

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    BS!!
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    I refuse to even try to carry on a conversation with any moron that uses the term immigrant instead of illegal alien. There is nothing to be gained but senseless dribble.
    ...I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid...

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    I'll admit that some of what they're saying is true. However, the complete disregard for many facts and the failure to give a full picture makes their position very disingenuous. Basically, the SEIU is 'cherry picking' the portion of issues they want to debunk, while ignoring the facts that would shed an unfavorable light on thier position.

    IMO, the whole story is a fragile and complex weaving of truth, half truths', lies and lies of omission.

    "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" ** Edmund Burke**

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    An enforcement-only policy has not and never will work.
    How would they know this? Nobody has ever tried it before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinybobidaho
    An enforcement-only policy has not and never will work.
    How would they know this? Nobody has ever tried it before.
    Yea..no kidding TBI! What they should say is that enforcement only with an unsecured border, has not and will never work.

    Because that's exactly what we have at the moment. Half hearted enforcement efforts, at best, with an unsecured border.
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    MW wrote:

    IMO, the whole story is a fragile and complex weaving of truth, half truths', lies and lies of omission.

    ...................

    This sounds like the handbook in use by our current government.
    ...I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid...

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    DeJaVue 1986 lies.

    Been There,Done That,don't want to

    revisit. NEVER,EVER AGAIN.
    "A Government big enough to give you everything you want,is strong enough to take everything you have"* Thomas Jefferson

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