Thread: Sen Biden puts the blame on illegal immigration on Mexico

Originally Posted by Neese

"I warn all of you, all of you making more than a million bucks — I hope you all are — I'm taking away your tax cut," Biden said. "I'm not joking."

Okay, that is a handful of people none of us know. Once the immigration laws are changed, we'll save even more money and headaches.

It's more than that. Technically speaking, many ranch and farm owners can accidentally end up making more than that in a year due to things like appreciation of land value or capital assets. Same thing can happen to business owners who have one breakout year in the middle of several years of losses.

There is no justification for increasing the rate of the wealthy when the actual amount they are paying for the same exact government and services is already greater because it is based on a percentage of earnings rather than a simple hard number. When you start talking about progressive taxation, you really aren't talking about taxation. You are talking about social engineering.

Let me ask you this: Do you think it would be fair if the utility company started charging you a higher rate per kW/hour than your next door neighbor just because you earn more than he does? How about if you had to pay more per gallon of gasoline based on your relative earnings? Maybe grocery prices should be set by your SSN, so that when you get to the check out they scan your federal number and base your pricing on last year's tax return? Charging more based on what earns for the same government and services is the same damned thing, and that's why the founders of this nation strictly prohibited ANY direct tax (which most certainly included a tax on wages) except in time of national emergency, and even then ONLY by apportionment (which means a head tax).

Look folks......Biden is a SNAKE..........he's an OBL and is now blowing smoke up everyone's - nose, shall we say.

Check out his voting record! He'll give AMNESTY to the ILLEGALS and raise our taxes. He already voted for the Senate debacles, proudly.

I don't know about you guys, but I resent anyone in this country having their taxes raised just so they/government can grow an even bigger entitlement rail.

Where the heck do ya think that this "revenue" will be spent? On you, me, us? the debt? Think again!

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Here in Colorado we got the tough immigration laws we did in the special session because of Gov Bill Owens R and a Democratic legislature.

The negotiation on the session laws was done by Dick Lamm (former Dem Gov.) and Fredrico Pena (Former Dem mayor Denver)

I belive most Democrats sincerely want to end illegal immigration and will probably go further than Bush and last years do nothing congress

The Thing we have to do is convince democrats that it is not in the best intrest of american workers to retain current illegal workers. Bringing in guest workers needs to be done with hard evidence.

As things unfold, hard negotiation will not be with dems on stopping illegal immigration but with allowing more legal immigration.

The Rhino will step away from the crystal ball now.

Six years ago no one could have convinced me I'd have more respect for a butt-munch like Biden than for Bush.

JRhino, nice song, and a great message. I love it.

Okay, back to the tax thing...is the tax cut based on someone's net or gross? Personally, I don't think that the tax cut should be removed because those are the people that are spurring the economy, and that is part of the reason that our economy is as good as it is right now. Even with rates creeping up, we have had a good run with the housing market and unemployment too. I do think that middle America gets the short end of the stick generally speaking. Not rich enough to be too comfortable and not poor enough to get freebies. We end up paying for everything. Our government has a lot of pork in the budget, they should just reallocate it to things we REALLY need it for. Any thoughts on the Fair Tax Act?
If I understand it correctly, this would allow tax avoiders to pay their fair share.
http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/pdf/...ct_Summary.pdf

Originally Posted by Neese

JRhino, nice song, and a great message. I love it.

Okay, back to the tax thing...is the tax cut based on someone's net or gross? Personally, I don't think that the tax cut should be removed because those are the people that are spurring the economy, and that is part of the reason that our economy is as good as it is right now. Even with rates creeping up, we have had a good run with the housing market and unemployment too. I do think that middle America gets the short end of the stick generally speaking. Not rich enough to be too comfortable and not poor enough to get freebies. We end up paying for everything. Our government has a lot of pork in the budget, they should just reallocate it to things we REALLY need it for. Any thoughts on the Fair Tax Act?
If I understand it correctly, this would allow tax avoiders to pay their fair share.
http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/pdf/...ct_Summary.pdf

Well, according to SCOTUS in Brushaber v Union Pacific RR Company, Amendment XVI did not eliminate the constitutional prohibition on unapportioned direct taxes, so the only "fair" fair tax would be one that is tied to consumption, not income. It would have the effect that you and other desire of being paid disproportionally by the rich, but their payment would be voluntary because it would only occur when they made a purchase. Buy a yacht and cough up a few tens or hundreds of thousands in federal taxes. Don't want to pay the taxes? Don't buy the yacht and put the money back into the market or into and interest-earning account for your kids.

JRhino wrote:

I belive most Democrats sincerely want to end illegal immigration and will probably go further than Bush and last years do nothing congress

You're absolutely right, they want to end it by granting all illegals amnesty!!

You need to do a recheck on that substance your putting in the old corn cob pipe. A little research at NumbersUSA should clear up any misconception you have on where the majority of Democrats stand on the issue. Here, I'll make it easy for you:

http://profiles.numbersusa.com/

It would have the effect that you and other desire of being paid disproportionally by the rich

I'm not sure if I understood what you were saying here, but let me clarify my opinion. I don't think people should be penalized if they are rich, but I do agree that everyone should pay taxes and pay them fairly. Or...I am all for eliminating taxes being taken out of my paycheck and paying a higher tax when I purchase something. That way my tax dollars aren't being spent on baloney!I can't tell you how many times I would turn down a loan because there was not enough income and the person said that they made a great deal more but did not report it. It makes my blood boil!! 9 out of ten times, it was someone not born in the US. There are countless businesses that only accept cash (dry cleaners, hair salons etc) and they aren't paying much on their taxes. Not only are illegals not paying taxes but they are sending a huge amount of money back to Mexico instead of reinvesting it here. I think the money going from the US to Mexico should be taxed. But then they will probably redirect it to some offshore account...

You need to do a recheck on that substance your putting in the old corn cob pipe

Originally Posted by Neese

It would have the effect that you and other desire of being paid disproportionally by the rich

I'm not sure if I understood what you were saying here, but let me clarify my opinion. I don't think people should be penalized if they are rich, but I do agree that everyone should pay taxes and pay them fairly. Or...I am all for eliminating taxes being taken out of my paycheck and paying a higher tax when I purchase something. That way my tax dollars aren't being spent on baloney!I can't tell you how many times I would turn down a loan because there was not enough income and the person said that they made a great deal more but did not report it. It makes my blood boil!! 9 out of ten times, it was someone not born in the US. There are countless businesses that only accept cash (dry cleaners, hair salons etc) and they aren't paying much on their taxes. Not only are illegals not paying taxes but they are sending a huge amount of money back to Mexico instead of reinvesting it here. I think the money going from the US to Mexico should be taxed. But then they will probably redirect it to some offshore account...

Fairly. Now there's a contentious term! In a free nation that operates on the presumption that all men are created equal, a fair tax would be one that is more or less the same for everyone, with the exception of fees and excises on those operating in privileged conduct, such as regulated commerce. But for many in America, socialist indocrination in Dewey's brainwashing mills convinces them that "fair" is stealing from the rich and giving from the poor, whether the rich came by their wealth honestly or not and whether the poor are worthless layabouts.