Study: Arizona's E-Verify Law Reduced Illegal Migration, Increased Returns

Study: Arizona's E-Verify Law Reduced Illegal Migration, Increased Returns

Tue, Jun 5^th 2018 @ 5:06 pm EDT

https://www.numbersusa.com/sites/def...?itok=-E3mIC_D

A study by researchers at Carnegie Mellon University and the University of Colorado-Boulder found that most communities in Mexico send migrants to specific U.S. destinations, and that communities with stronger ties to Arizona saw decreased emigration and increased return migration. Researchers concluded this was the result of the Legal Arizona Workers Act (LAWA), which requires all Arizona employers to use E-Verify.

A press release for the study said, "For the first time, our study shows that state-level immigration restrictions in the United States were effective in deterring the flow of unauthorized migrants into this country. Previous research had shown that state-level employment restrictions reduced the size of a state's population of likely unauthorized individuals, but it wasn't clear whether enforcement diverted migrants to other U.S. destinations or if these policies slowed international migration."

The researchers tracked geographic migration using data from a Mexican program that gives identification cards to Mexican migrants in the U.S. and other data from the U.S. and Mexican census bureaus. This enabled researchers to determine where migrants lived in the United States and where they were born in Mexico.

The data showed the migrants living in different states often came from different parts of Mexico.

Using this information, the researchers then examined the LAWA's effect on migration. They compared Mexican locations where migrants favor Arizona as their destination to locations where migrants go elsewhere in the United States. The communities that favored Arizona experienced increased return migration from the United States and decreased emigration to the United States.

"Our findings show that labor-market interventions such as the E-verify program can affect international migration patterns, leading to a reduction in the total number of unauthorized migrants in the United States."

https://www.numbersusa.com/news/stud...reased-returns

Now enforce E-verify in our schools, banks, welfare, food stamp, IRS, housing, motor vehicles, voting and medical facilities.

NO MORE FREEBIES TO ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!

E-Verify is a common sense program that works. However, for the full effect we must mandate it nationally. A nationally required mandate will prevent us from playing the whack-a-mole game with illegal moving from states with it to states without it.

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Originally Posted by MW

E-Verify is a common sense program that works. However, for the full effect we must mandate it nationally.

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I don't agree! E-Verify is a tool. Government might make a law that protects employers if they use E-Verify and it approves an illegal alien. But E-Verify does not prevent employers from hiring illegals under the table. We must give employers the right to ask. E-Verify can be one method. But this idea that it is the cure-all is a placebo effect.

Sort of like sex offender laws that prohibit convicted sex offenders from being with 3000 feet of a school or park. So parents feel safe turning their children loose. But that is a placebo, as yet to be caught sex offenders are not limited by such laws, and are very much a threat.

And government having such complete access to virtually every citizen's records, is just like having full gun registration by government.

And employer should be able to contact ICE to verify the legality of a person claiming to be an alien. And there should be a verification source for citizens. That is all. Then it is up to employers to use such tools to make sure they are not hiring illegal workers.

The Arizona SB 1070 law which includes many other state actions against illegal immigration is the reason there has been a decline. You can't just single out one action and give it all the credit for the outcome.

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Originally Posted by jtdc

I don't agree! E-Verify is a tool. Government might make a law that protects employers if they use E-Verify and it approves an illegal alien. But E-Verify does not prevent employers from hiring illegals under the table. We must give employers the right to ask. E-Verify can be one method. But this idea that it is the cure-all is a placebo effect.

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Nobody, including me, has ever said E-Verify is a cure-all. No single tool is going to end our illegal immigration problem. I think everyone pretty much understand that. However, I strongly believe a nationally mandated E-Verify program needs to be one of the tools in our toolbox.

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Originally Posted by MW

Nobody, including me, has ever said E-Verify is a cure-all. No single tool is going to end our illegal immigration problem. I think everyone pretty much understand that. However, I strongly believe a nationally mandated E-Verify program needs to be one of the tools in our toolbox.

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Our schools can't refuse illegal alien students. Police can't arrest illegal aliens except if they commit a crime. Our governments issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens. Our governments offer many freebees to illegal aliens. Congress refuses to allow the building of a wall. Congress doesn't want our military to secure our border.

With all of this, is it our patriotic duty to surrender more of our rights to combat a problem created by our government? Let them take away the freebies. Let them take away driver's licenses. Let them arrest illegal parents of illegal children in school. Let them take into custody any illegal alien they happen to find. When all of those things fail to discourage illegal aliens coming here, then maybe I will believe that we need to give government more control of our lives! :roll:

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Originally Posted by jtdc

Our schools can't refuse illegal alien students. Police can't arrest illegal aliens except if they commit a crime. Our governments issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens. Our governments offer many freebees to illegal aliens. Congress refuses to allow the building of a wall. Congress doesn't want our military to secure our border.

With all of this, is it our patriotic duty to surrender more of our rights to combat a problem created by our government? Let them take away the freebies. Let them take away driver's licenses. Let them arrest illegal parents of illegal children in school. Let them take into custody any illegal alien they happen to find. When all of those things fail to discourage illegal aliens coming here, then maybe I will believe that we need to give government more control of our lives! :roll:

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Exactly what "right" are you surrendering?

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Originally Posted by MW

Exactly what "right" are you surrendering?

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The same right I would be surrendering if the government were able to make us register every weapon we own. If they let you have the weapon, no lose, right! So you should be for 100% gun registration. With E-Verify, the government has a record of every job a person has had for at least three years. No harm unless there is a mistake much as people being wrongly listed on the No Fly List.

"It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes." (Joseph Stalin)

The more power we give the government, the more power they will have over us. If you trust Trump, what about the next President?

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The same right I would be surrendering if the government were able to make us register every weapon we own. If they let you have the weapon, no lose, right! So you should be for 100% gun registration. With E-Verify, the government has a record of every job a person has had for at least three years. No harm unless there is a mistake much as people being wrongly listed on the No Fly List.

"It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes." (Joseph Stalin)

The more power we give the government, the more power they will have over us. If you trust Trump, what about the next President?

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Assuming you paid taxes in those jobs, the Social Security Administration already has that information.

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"For the first time, our study shows that state-level immigration restrictions in the United States were effective in deterring the flow of unauthorized migrants into this country.

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We've known this fact for years here at ALIPAC and done our best to informt the nation. We stil need more info about why certain illegal aliens are being authorized to work by E-verify according to ALIPAC sources on the ground in Arizona.

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We've known this fact for years here at ALIPAC and done our best to informt the nation. We stil need more info about why certain illegal aliens are being authorized to work by E-verify according to ALIPAC sources on the ground in Arizona.

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I suspect that is because they have quality fake documents and stolen social security numbers or the documents of someone else. I don't deny that there are probably some weaknesses on the part of some employers to detect fraudulent documents. That's why documents need to be screened periodically through inspections by the feds.

I doubt there is anything we can do that will be 100% infallible. However, I believe a nationally mandated E-Verify program would have a noticeable effect toward reducing illegal immigration. Make it as difficult as we can for them to work and many will have no alternative but to return home. Of course that won't stop the illegals that come here to exploit Americans through criminal enterprise ... those are the illegals we'll have to track down and imprison or deport . Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by MW

Assuming you paid taxes in those jobs, the Social Security Administration already has that information.

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SS has earnings, not details. And they are now changing card numbers because what was originally supposed to be confidential has been abused by the government. IRS has details, but that is supposed to remain confidential. Yet you can see that people leak this information to hurt some like President Trump.

We can't trust government with what they have. Why should we give them more?

As I pointed out, if verification that you are in the country legally is what is required, ICE already can verify that information. E-Verify is a new database which will keep records on all citizen's works history, not just aliens.

If E-Verify was just a compilation of your ID and "citizen, Yes, No?", or "immigration legal, Yes, No?", that would be fine. But it goes far beyond that!

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Originally Posted by MW

However, I believe a nationally mandated E-Verify program would have a noticeable effect toward reducing illegal immigration.

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So would a police force controlling everything you do. Is that what you want? A dictator would be more efficient than a congress of 535 people trying to agree on anything. Is that what you want?

Jobs are just one attraction for aliens to come here. But the freebees are also a great attraction. If we arrest and deport illegal aliens, instead of giving them a pass, that is a deterrent.

E-verify can work for major businesses, but not for small operations and others that are off books. To be fair, every home owner who hires a neighbor kid to cut their lawn must register with E-Verify. We already have cities citing kids who sell lemonade in their front yard for not obtaining a business license. You are for totalitarianism?

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Originally Posted by MW

Make it as difficult as we can for them to work and many will have no alternative but to return home. Of course that won't stop the illegals that come here to exploit Americans through criminal enterprise ... those are the illegals we'll have to track down and imprison or deport .

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But that also makes it difficult for some Americans to get work. I would rather law enforcement would enforce our laws and arrest those they find rather than punish all Americans with another bureaucracy to abuse them.

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Originally Posted by jtdc

SS has earnings, not details. And they are now changing card numbers because what was originally supposed to be confidential has been abused by the government. IRS has details, but that is supposed to remain confidential. Yet you can see that people leak this information to hurt some like President Trump.

We can't trust government with what they have. Why should we give them more?

As I pointed out, if verification that you are in the country legally is what is required, ICE already can verify that information. E-Verify is a new database which will keep records on all citizen's works history, not just aliens.

If E-Verify was just a compilation of your ID and "citizen, Yes, No?", or "immigration legal, Yes, No?", that would be fine. But it goes far beyond that!

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You are dead wrong about the Social Security Administration not having a complete work history for every American with a social security number. The SSA has detailed information about your work history, including employment dates, employer names and addresses, and earnings. The fact that you are wrong on this makes much of your argument moot.

There sure is a lot of shooting from the hip around here lately. It would sure be nice if folks would do a little research before attempting to pass of falsehoods as actual fact. ;)

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Originally Posted by MW

You are dead wrong about the Social Security Administration not having a complete work history for every American with a social security number. The SSA has detailed information about your work history, including employment dates, employer names and addresses, and earnings.

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So are all those details public? Can you current employer get those records to see every employer you worked for? There is a specific purpose for them to maintain an account of your earnings. They are banking for your future.

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The fact that you are wrong on this makes much of your argument moot.

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An easy out!

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There sure is a lot of shooting from the hip around here lately. It would sure be nice if folks would do a little research before attempting to pass of falsehoods as actual fact.

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So you don't like people who disagree with your opinion of what should be?

When this country was new, there was no comprehensive records on anything you did, unless you were convicted of a crime. But as technology created the ability, government wants to know everything. In a totalitarian country, there should be no crime. But people so controlled rebel and you end up with more crime. Our government is trying to get more control over everybody. I'm not for that!

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So you don't like people who disagree with your opinion of what should be?

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I have absolutely no problem with folks having a different opinion. However, I do find it a little frustrating when people attempt to pass off false information as actual truth to further their agenda or argument. If you're not 100% sure of something, just research it. To shoot from the hip without actually knowing if you're right or wrong about a specific fact is just laziness. In an even worse case scenario, it means a person is attempting to mislead or hide the truth.

Honestly, regarding your false information concerning the information held by the SSA, I don't know if you were attempting to mislead or if you actually believed the information you provided was true, which it wasn't.

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Originally Posted by MW

Honestly, regarding your false information concerning the information held by the SSA, I don't know if you were attempting to mislead or if you actually believed the information you provided was true, which it wasn't.

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Are you saying that SS records are open to the public?

My nurses and caretaker can't talk to SS or Medicare about my account without my authorization!

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Are you saying that SS records are open to the public?

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No, I never said or implied such.

For the last time. You Said:

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SS has earnings, not details.

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I said:

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The SSA has detailed information about your work history, including employment dates, employer names and addresses, and earnings.

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Nobody but you said anything about the information being accessible by the general public. It is not.

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Originally Posted by MW

Nobody but you said anything about the information being accessible by the general public. It is not.

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FOR THE "LAST TIME" SS NEEDS THAT BECAUSE IT IS AN ACCOUNT DEALING WITH YOUR MONEY. E-VERIFY ONLY NEEDS YOUR NAME AND WHETHER YOU ARE LEGALLY HERE. THERE IS NO REASON FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN A HISTORY ON YOU!

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FOR THE "LAST TIME" SS NEEDS THAT BECAUSE IT IS AN ACCOUNT DEALING WITH YOUR MONEY. E-VERIFY ONLY NEEDS YOUR NAME AND WHETHER YOU ARE LEGALLY HERE. THERE IS NO REASON FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN A HISTORY ON YOU!

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Yes, well earlier you said the SSA didn't have that information and now you're saying they need it. E-Verify crosschecks the I-9 information with the Social Security Administration (SSA).

All you're doing at this point is making a lot of meaningless static noise. Sorry, but I have to call it the way I see it.

You need to do a better job of researching the program. I refuse to be goaded into an ongoing discussion on the issue with someone who has not thoroughly researched the program.

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Yes, well earlier you said the SSA didn't have that information

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Refresh my memory. Where did I say that?

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E-Verify crosschecks the I-9 information with the Social Security Administration (SSA).

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Why? Is E-Verify yet another police force to check on everybody to see if their I-9 information is valid? I thought is was for employers to verify the legality of employees.

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All you're doing at this point is making a lot of meaningless static noise. Sorry, but I have to call it the way I see it.

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I'm sorry that different opinions are "noise" to you.

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You need to do a better job of researching the program. I refuse to be goaded into an ongoing discussion on the issue with someone who has not thoroughly researched the program.

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You're like Judy. You believe in it and anybody who doesn't is dumb.

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You're like Judy. You believe in it and anybody who doesn't is dumb.

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Not true, Judy and I are about as far apart as two ALIPAC supporters can be. Furthermore, I do not believe you're dumb and nowhere did I imply or say such a thing. Believing someone is a little uninformed on a specific issue is far from thinking they're dumb. At this point I just believe you're bored and want to continue talking to me. :grin:

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if that opinion differs from mine. ;)

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Not true, Judy and I are about as far apart as two ALIPAC supporters can be.

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But you are similar when it comes to your devotion to your respective causes. She is adamant about the FairTax and you seem adamant about E-Verify.

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At this point I just believe you're bored and want to continue talking to me.

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Well, yeah! I find very little of this changes anybody's mind about anything. So it's just treading water.

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Not true, Judy and I are about as far apart as two ALIPAC supporters can be. Furthermore, I do not believe you're dumb and nowhere did I imply or say such a thing. Believing someone is a little uninformed on a specific issue is far from thinking they're dumb. At this point I just believe you're bored and want to continue talking to me. :grin:

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if that opinion differs from mine. ;)

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What is the cure for a virus?

BTW, good job on explaining your position.