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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    I don't believe you are sorry. I believe your intention is to switch the subject, if not, how do you feel about our federal government taxing a working person’s earn wage which is then transferred to another individual to finance the promotion of their political opinions more forcefully than the tax payer, opinions which always seems to be socialist/progressive propaganda?
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    What is the difference between financing the promotion of somebody's political opinions with tax dollars and promoting somebody else's religion? They are both contrary to the constitution and for the same reasons. I am not changing the subject.
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    Your affection for the arts interferes with rational thinking

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    What is the difference between financing the promotion of somebody's political opinions with tax dollars and promoting somebody else's religion? They are both contrary to the constitution and for the same reasons. I am not changing the subject.
    Your affection for the “arts” seems to interfere with rational thinking and focusing on why our wise founding fathers were very careful in limiting and identifying specific areas which ought to be within the powers delegated to our federal government ____ powers which are enumerated under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 of our federal Constitution and are essential in promoting the common defense and general welfare of the United States.

    The truth is, our founders warned us about the dangers of factions and why they avoided granting power to Congress over those objects which “…in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.” See Federalist Number 45.


    By limiting our federal government’s responsibilities to a few and defined areas such as war, peace, the regulation of commerce with foreign nations, i.e., ___ those items which are enumerated beneath Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 __ our founders avoided the danger of creating countless factions on a federal level by denying power to the federal government to meddle in the social needs of the people within the various states, and they intentionally left those matters within the jurisdiction of each state and people therein.

    In fact, our founders were so determined to avoid factions groups interfering with the primary functions of our federal government and preserving the sovereignty of the States in dealing with the social needs and desires of the people, that they adopted the Tenth Amendment which reads: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.


    Have we not witnessed how our federal government is being reduced to a state of paralysis brought on by countless factions which cry for free government cheese and have nothing to do with our federal government’s constitutionally authorized functions? And who are some of these factions who have cause a paralysis in Congress? Federally subsidized “art”; federally subsidized health-care recipients; federally subsidized food stamp recipients; federally subsidized Section Eight Housing recipients; federally funded unemployment benefit recipients; federally funded student loans and grant recipients; etc., etc., and millions of foreigners who have invaded America’s borders who are also the recipients of free government cheese. Do these countless factions not have a devastating effect on Congress’ primary functions which are itemized beneath Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1?

    If we don’t reverse our federal government’s tax-payers vs tax-getters redistribution policies, we will surely suffer the same fate as Venezuela, Chile, the UK, and other socialist countries which, instead of protecting the people’s inalienable right to succeed or fail at their own hand, have decided to use government force to steal the product of one person’s labor which is then transferred to another individual or group to be used for their personal economic needs, and this, my friend is an immoral use of government force.


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    If we don’t reverse our federal government’s tax-payers vs tax-getters redistribution policies, we will surely suffer the same fate as Venezuela, Chile, the UK, and other socialist countries which, instead of protecting the people’s inalienable right to succeed or fail at their own hand, have decided to use government force to steal the product of one person’s labor which is then transferred to another individual or group to be used for their personal economic needs, and this, my friend is an immoral use of government force.
    I believe we need some safety nets for the consequences of government policies that by design cause some to suffer and lose to benefit others with special gains and prosperity. Welfare has grown because of bad government policies for almost 40 years on trade and immigration. When we reverse those bad policies such as Trump is trying to do, the redistribution mechanisms will die with them, reserving a few for the naturally occurring ups and downs, rises and falls of the normal dynamics inherent to a free people of a free nation.

    But for that, I totally agree with your fine statement, Johnwk!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Your affection for the “arts” seems to interfere with rational thinking and focusing ....
    But I have not exhibited any affection for anything we have been talking about. If you wish to exhibit any rational thinking and focusing, you should exhibit evidence that you are actually reading my posts before commenting on them. I am not here to be a prop while you are talking to yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkskyali View Post
    But I have not exhibited any affection for anything we have been talking about. If you wish to exhibit any rational thinking and focusing, you should exhibit evidence that you are actually reading my posts before commenting on them. I am not here to be a prop while you are talking to yourself.
    Then why did you try to switch the subject to religion when the subject is the confiscation of a person's earned wage which is then transferred by government to another individual so that person may express their opinions and expressions in a more forceful manner than the wage earner who has had his/her property confiscated by government?


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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwk View Post
    Then why did you try to switch the subject to religion when the subject is the confiscation of a person's earned wage which is then transferred by government to another individual so that person may express their opinions and expressions in a more forceful manner than the wage earner who has had his/her property confiscated by government?

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    What is the difference between financing the promotion of somebody's political opinions with tax dollars and promoting somebody else's religion? They are both contrary to the constitution and for the same reasons. I am not changing the subject.
    Again, you are not even reading my posts, or simply ignoring their contents in order to Sustain a Narrative.
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    In my opinion, there is no difference between funding the arts (free expression, First Amendment) than funding religion (free expression, First Amendment). Therefore they are protected by the same Amendment to the US Constitution, and thus should be likewise separated from the state for the same reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkskyali View Post
    Again, you are not even reading my posts, or simply ignoring their contents in order to Sustain a Narrative.
    Your assertion is just that, an assertion which I might add is unsubstantiated. Why do you make an unsubstantiated assertion?

    Additionally, I am reading your posts. Why did you ask the following question? "What is the difference between financing the promotion of somebody's political opinions with tax dollars and promoting somebody else's religion?" What is your motivation seeking an answer to that question?

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