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01-10-2016, 02:47 AM #11
Cruz's father had Canadian citizenship. His father and mother went to Canada at the same time. The other day when Jake Tapper or someone was interviewing him on the subject, Cruz said his mother couldn't have had Canadian citizenship because of the "residency requirement". Well, they would have both had the same residency. So was Cruz born to a father who was still a Cuban citizen?
See, this is why only natural born citizens are eligible to run for the office of President and Vice President so that our determination of citizenship eligibility for the office does not depend upon the records or citizenship laws of other countries. We're a sovereign nation and in order for our Constitution to rule properly, it must be based upon those matters domestic that we control and know about. We can't have a Presidential election dependent upon what someone in Canada did while they were registering Canadian citizens to vote. We can't have a Presidential election dependent upon when someone left Cuba or when they moved to Canada or how long they stayed or whether they denounced US citizenship. It's beyond absurd.
The rule is simple:
1. born in the USA
2. born to 2 US citizens
Period.
Based on what we know, the children of Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio can run for President and Vice President, but their fathers can not. Cruz and Rubio already have nice jobs with a lot of power, perhaps too much, but at least they're eligible for the spots they hold. They are neither one eligible for the Big Promotion in more ways than one, but the one stops their trains now and that's what needs to be done. Their trains need to be stopped.
Thank you Trump for applying the brakes.Last edited by Judy; 01-10-2016 at 02:50 AM.
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01-10-2016, 01:46 PM #12
All of the accusations and claims seem to come from news articles
so I don't see as how some are "proof" and others are just "false claims".
Her birth certificate means nothing when the question is,
did she become a Canadian citizen before his birth.
The only thing we have are news articles.
None of them PROVE anything.NO AMNESTY
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01-10-2016, 02:02 PM #13
There's really nothing to prove. He wasn't born in the US to 2 US citizens. He was born in Canada to either 1 US citizen or 0 US citizens, either way, he's not a natural born citizen, just as Obama was not a natural born citizen whether he was born in Hawaii or somewhere else, he was ineligible because his father was not a US citizen.
None of this is complicated when you're a natural born citizen, which is another reason why we need to keep it that way. These candidates that are not natural born citizens create controversy, disrupt our domestic tranquility, and interfere with our elections as they were Constitutionally laid-out to occur. Federal and State Election Officials as well as our political parties better start doing their jobs and tell these Yahoo Wanna Be Prezidentes, "YOU'RE FIRED".Last edited by Judy; 01-10-2016 at 02:05 PM.
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01-10-2016, 03:56 PM #14
Is Ted Cruz a 'natural born Citizen'? Not if you're a constitutional originalist.
@ Is Ted Cruz eligible to be President?Last edited by JohnDoe2; 01-10-2016 at 04:39 PM.
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01-10-2016, 04:43 PM #15
Exactly. Great article, JohnDoe2. Thank you for finding and posting it. The Los Angeles Times, too! Big readership. If Cruz really was a Constitutionalist, he would have never entered the race, neither would Rubio, both lawyers and know better. They just think since Obama got away with it, they should too. Wrong!! Americans won't let that happen again. At least I hope not.
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01-10-2016, 09:51 PM #16
Judy wrote:
Exactly. Great article, JohnDoe2. Thank you for finding and posting it. The Los Angeles Times, too! Big readership. If Cruz really was a Constitutionalist, he would have never entered the race, neither would Rubio, both lawyers and know better. They just think since Obama got away with it, they should too. Wrong!! Americans won't let that happen again. At least I hope not."The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" ** Edmund Burke**
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01-11-2016, 11:13 AM #17
Harvard scholar: Ted Cruz's citizenship, eligibility for president ‘unsettled’
Liberal law professor Laurence Tribe cited by Donald Trump in his ‘natural-born’ citizenship attacks has questioned Cruz’s own constitutional positions
Ted Cruz: under his position as a constitutional ‘originalist’, he would not be eligible to be president, Laurence tribe said.
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The legal and constitutional issues around qualification for the presidency on grounds of US citizenship are “murky and unsettled”, according to the scholar cited by Donald Trump in his recent attacks on Ted Cruz.
Trump has sought to cast doubt on whether the senator, who was born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban father, is a “natural-born US citizen”. In doing so he has referred to the work and words of Laurence Tribe, perhaps the most respected liberal law professor in the country.
Tribe taught both Cruz and Barack Obama at Harvard Law School. He also advised Al Gore in the 2000 Florida recount and has advised Obama’s campaign organisation.
“Despite Sen[ator] Cruz’s repeated statements that the legal/constitutional issues around whether he’s a natural-born citizen are clear and settled,” he told the Guardian by email, “the truth is that they’re murky and unsettled.”
Tribe has said previously that the question of Cruz’s eligibility is “unsettled”. On Sunday, Trump cited that position in an interview with NBC’s Meet the Press, in which he described Tribe “as a constitutional expert, one of the true experts”.
At a rally in Reno, Nevada later on Sunday, the real-estate billionaire, who has said Democrats will sue to stop Cruz running should he win the nomination, described himself as “a PhD in litigation”. Of Cruz’s eligibility, he said: “There is a doubt. We can’t have a doubt.”
Article II, section I, clause V of the US constitution states: “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”
In his emails to the Guardian, Tribe discussed Cruz’s own approach to constitutional issues, noting that under “the kind of judge Cruz says he admires and would appoint to the supreme court – an ‘originalist’ who claims to be bound by the historical meaning of the constitution’s terms at the time of their adoption – Cruz wouldn’t be eligible because the legal principles that prevailed in the 1780s and 90s required that someone be born on US soil to be a ‘natural born’ citizen.”
He added: “Even having two US parents wouldn’t suffice for a genuine originalist. And having just an American mother, as Cruz did, would clearly have been insufficient at a time that made patrilineal descent decisive.
“On the other hand, to the kind of judge that I admire and Cruz abhors – a ‘living constitutionalist’ who believes that the constitution’s meaning evolves with the needs of the time – Cruz would ironically be eligible because it no longer makes sense to be bound by so narrow and strict a definition.”
Tribe said: “There is no single, settled answer. And our supreme court has never addressed the issue.”
Trump, who trails Cruz in polls in Iowa, first raised the issue last week. Cruz has since cited a bipartisan Harvard Law Review article by two former solicitor generals, Neal Katyal and Paul Clement, to back his contention that he is a natural-born citizen. Some of his rivals have pushed back; the Kentucky senator and presidential rival Rand Paul and Arizona senator John McCain, the 2008 candidate, have declined to support him.
Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, the Republican nominee in 2012, tweeted on Friday that Cruz was indeed a “natural-born citizen”.
Tribe, who became a hated figure to many on the right thanks to his role in derailing the supreme court nomination of Robert Bork in 1987, gave legal advice to McCain when similar “natural-born citizen” questions arose in 2008. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, to two Americans.
Working with Ted Olsen, a former solicitor general in the George W Bush administration, Tribe concluded: “[McCain’s] birth on a US military base within a territory controlled by the US from 1903 to 1979 … under a treaty with Panama probably (although not certainly) qualified him as a natural born citizen, especially because both his parents were US citizens at the time.”
On Sunday, he wrote: “That situation differed greatly from the one Sen[ator] Cruz finds himself in.”
Asked if he was surprised by Trump’s use of his name, Tribe wrote: “What I find surreal isn’t that a Republican presidential candidate would favorably cite my legal conclusions, but that anyone should find that phenomenon so shocking.
“The fact that I’m a lifelong liberal and a registered Democrat who taught constitutional law to President Obama (and, by the way, to Chief Justice Roberts and Senator Cruz) makes my citation by a likely Republican nominee for president surprising only because our political divisions have become so profound and so paralyzing that people no longer believe in the possibility of disinterested legal research.
“That’s really sad.”
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...izen-presidentLast edited by Judy; 01-11-2016 at 11:17 AM.
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01-11-2016, 12:44 PM #18
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An "originalist" would rely on the citizenship of the Father, NOT the Mother. At that time everything was based on the Fathers lineage. The following link explains the ties between The Constitution, Vattel, and "Natural Born Citizen"
http://www.newswithviews.com/Publius/huldah110.htm
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01-11-2016, 12:52 PM #19
. . . Fordham Law School constitutional law professor Thomas Lee informed me that the question of whether Cruz is a “natural born citizen” can be answered with two words: “It depends.”
Lee, who was an editor of the Harvard Law Review and clerked for Supreme Court Justice David Souter . . .
from: Hey Supreme Court, Please Settle This Ted Cruz Birther Thing
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01-11-2016, 02:05 PM #20
JohnDoe2, would you mind editing your post above to delete "Judy wrote", since what is shown is not mine, but MW's. Thanks.
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