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"A new rush of illegal immigrants are driving down Interstate 35 from Oklahoma or heading east to Texas from Arizona to flee tough new anti-illegal immigrant laws in those and other states."
Not surprised about the increase in ILLEGALS but some of the comments at the end of the article are interesting.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/met ... 09022.html
All I have to do is look out my window to see that this is true.
Don't feel so bad , we are getting a huge number here in Nevada
from Arizona
Reminds me of pest control....all you really do is shove your problem onto your neighbor. In psychology we called that a false solution.....not an answer to the problem.....only a temporary solution.
Its a shell gameQuote:
Originally Posted by crazybird
As of right now states like Arizona are lucky because a percent
will go back to mexico , but a state like Ok will just find them
filtering into surrounding states that invite them in or don't
have strong laws
This is happening now as more are leaving Colorado and going
to Utah, now Utah is purposing stronger laws ,
They are like (MOD EDIT). Turn on the light and they go scurring off somewhere else. Not always far though.
Push for passage of the new federal SAVE Act. It forces all employers to verify social security numbers. If it works in AZ & OK, it will work nationally.
HR4088 is the House bill with 132 co-sponsors and the Senates' version S2368 has three.
Call your elected reps and demand they co-sponsor this bill.
I feel so bad that our lost is someone else gain but if we keep helping you.
Out our taxes may go down and English will come back to Arizona.
It has a few flaws but its an ok bill , I don't think Pilosy will ever bringQuote:
Originally Posted by magyart
it to the floor though ,
The senate would amend it to death , and not in a good way
It would go in looking good and come out total amnesty
My lame rep. Schiff has ignored my demands! He's such a loser!! I don't know what else to do. I've also contacted my two senators Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer about this also. None of them have co-sponsored these bills so far. :(
[quote="usanevada"]Don't feel so bad , we are getting a huge number here in Nevada
from Arizona[/quote]
Don't fret too much about that. I seriously don't think it will last.
This month I had 4 more tenants give their notice that they are vacating and all are returning to Mexico.
Here's the good news: 3 of these had gone to Nevada after hearing work was plentiful and everything would be cool. After leaving in December to head to Nevada, they have now come back and are throwing in the towel. The other left in January with a brother in law and could not even get hired on where another relative is a foreman. After having no luck elsewhere, they came back also with plans to just leave the country.
According to them, there are so many now looking for work, there just was nothing available except offers to let them apply and be kept on file if anything opened up. They decided to go home after concluding that it will probably be the same story in other states considered still to be "illegal friendly".
So it really doesn't matter if they go to another state or not, the fact is that no matter where they go there is only going to be so much work available for a certain number of people, and they will end up leaving that state too when they find there is nothing there for them.
Unfortunately, your biggest problem in the long term will be getting rid of the ones already there :wink:
They are still building multi billion dollar casinos so there is still
some work here , Housing builders are going downhill because
this town is running out of water ,
"I've also contacted my two senators Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer about this also"
These 2 are hopeless , Feinstein has really nasty staffers also
I think this is the time to raise a big stink, if they are coming into your area from these other states. Call the local sheriff, call the INS, Call the Mayor, the Governor, your senators...Raise heck and get them on Video with their cars loaded down.
During the next few months, before this election we need to raise heck, after that it is all over as far as media attention.
Don't feel bad for us, akhope. There will always be a PERIOD OF ADJUSTMENT whenever human migration is concerned. Don't you worry. In time, most states will copy AZ's and OK's laws to drive these illegals SOUTH of the border instead of to other states. ATTRITION WORKS. It is human nature. Just be patient and it will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by akhope
Glad you are on board with us!!
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Originally Posted by azwreath
thanks for the personal 411, azwreath.
ATTRITION WORKS! KEEP AT IT , PATRIOTS!!
Don't fret too much about that. I seriously don't think it will last.
This month I had 4 more tenants give their notice that they are vacating and all are returning to Mexico.
Here's the good news: 3 of these had gone to Nevada after hearing work was plentiful and everything would be cool. After leaving in December to head to Nevada, they have now come back and are throwing in the towel. The other left in January with a brother in law and could not even get hired on where another relative is a foreman. After having no luck elsewhere, they came back also with plans to just leave the country.
According to them, there are so many now looking for work, there just was nothing available except offers to let them apply and be kept on file if anything opened up. They decided to go home after concluding that it will probably be the same story in other states considered still to be "illegal friendly".
So it really doesn't matter if they go to another state or not, the fact is that no matter where they go there is only going to be so much work available for a certain number of people, and they will end up leaving that state too when they find there is nothing there for them.
Unfortunately, your biggest problem in the long term will be getting rid of the ones already there :wink:[/quote]
So sorry for you, alexcastro. If you can, do what I did. I voted with my feet and left CA for GOOD. CA is NOT gonna get any more tax money from me!!Quote:
Originally Posted by alexcastro
Everyone needs to press their local government and state legislatures for laws like those in AZ and OK. to create a domino effect.
Once the ball gets rolling even 'sanctuary' states resistant to the laws will have to act out of self-protection and state budget limitations.
We can do it!
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion." Article IV Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution.
If the US Chamber of Commerce gets their way they'll be flowing back into Oklahoma....
Some will go, some will stay.
Personally, if I knew I was not wanted someplace, I would leave immediately. The law will catch up, later if not sooner.
Just goes to show that attrition works!!! Listen up, politicians!
Rick Perry is an avid Bush crony and has been "in" on the SPP/NAU all along!
I'm not surprised. I think this started happening a month or two ago when I noticed a huge skyrocket in crime here.
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Originally Posted by Ex_OC
thanks for the personal 411, azwreath.
ATTRITION WORKS! KEEP AT IT , PATRIOTS!!
You're welcome EX OC! You also made some very good points here:
Don't feel bad for us, akhope. There will always be a PERIOD OF ADJUSTMENT whenever human migration is concerned. Don't you worry. In time, most states will copy AZ's and OK's laws to drive these illegals SOUTH of the border instead of to other states. ATTRITION WORKS. It is human nature. Just be patient and it will happen.
And you're correct in what you say. There will be a period of adjustment but it will turn itself around.
The key is patience and to just remember that a situation decades in the making is not going to instantly clear up overnight no matter how much we'd like it to.
Although, I must say that I do think things are moving along at a pretty fair clip, all things considered. :wink:
I was edited by William for a similar comment! He must not be watching!Quote:
Originally Posted by alexcastro
My family has been in Dallas, Texas, since the 1850's!! I DO NOT want to leave my precious home state!!
I just wish Dallas weren't such a sanctuary city (along with Houston). I just can't see how Dallas can keep having enough jobs for all these illegals, as they are EVERYWHERE I go currently. I see them working at the car washes, fifty million lawn care services, in restaurants, hotels, cleaning people, nannies, factories, etc, etc. I don't think there isn't an industry here in Dallas that DOES NOT use illegals. Every part is filled with them.
Drives me crazy!
TexasGal
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Originally Posted by TexasGal
That's just the thing of it. These so called sanctuaries for illegals will not be able to keep up as reality sets in.
No matter how booming the economy may be in an area the fact is that eventually there will not be enough jobs for everyone. Same as there will not be enough housing, a sufficient infrastructure to handle the additional burden, or enough resources to sustain them.
Add to that the resulting societal problems which arise from those conditions and you have one hell of an out of control mess.
There's just no way that any state, city, or town is going to survive being a sanctuary in the long run.
carolinamtnwoman, I discovered a more decent way to describe it. I heard it on TV. Use the word "Jello" instead of r----. Same effect. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by carolinamtnwoman
You are absolutely right, azwreath. The fact is humans can migrate faster than bureaucracies (local govt) can respond. You can move a whole town of people in one day, but it is going to take local govt 6 months (hypothetically speaking) to build a new road or a new school to accomodate these newcomers. It's just reality. Property taxes are only collected 2x a year, so the local govt has to wait 6 months for the funds, not to mention all the planning and discussion that has to go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by azwreath
In addition, there is a LIMIT to everything. If left unchecked, that limit will be reached faster and will just implode on its own. One doesn't have to be an Einstein to know that. The poster child for sanctuary cities is Los Angeles. And it is imploding right now.
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Originally Posted by Ex_OC
LOL....I was going to use LA as an example :lol: It is, as you say, the poster child and the wheels are falling off fast out there. 8O 8O
That's some scary business going on to be sure.
Since our idiot Governor Perry supported Guiliani is it little wonder. He is probably standing at the border helping illegals to cross.
I have lived in Dallas for 14 years now, and NO matter WHAT, there are ALWAYS enough jobs for the ILLEGALS, thanks mainly to GREEDY employers!
I don't know. I'm pretty close to the border though. For awhile I saw a few less Mexican plates. Now it's more but more from the southern Mexican areas.
This could get REALLY interesting.
Well, with Obama, Hillary and McCain pledging to legalize the 12 million, MORE ILLEGALS ARE COMING NOW to catch the amnesty.
Why don't they shut up!!!! :evil: :evil:
TexasGal, I know exactly how you feel! Drives me crazy as well. I am full blood Texan, proud of it and don't for one minute plan to leave just so the Mexican Government can have another place to expand to and destroy!
When I heard on WOAI that hordes of illegals were headed to Texas it made my blood boil! Not to be too graphic, but this whole situation makes me want to puke!
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Originally Posted by TexasGal
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Originally Posted by crazybird
Pest are a natural thing, criminal invaders and the seditious who hire them are not .
Nobody is 'shoving the problem to their neighbors ' the fact is their neighbors have welcomed the problem by not stopping it long ago . If the people of Texas are too timid or affraid to stop invading aleans than thats their tough luck .
My son lives in Tx. and most of it is over run with non assimilating foreighners .
I have always wandered this in away.... Why didn't the people of Texas and California start this fight along tima ago like in the 60's and 70's when the Latino's first started taking over those states and then slowly making their way across the whole country ?? I am not blaming those of you that live in Texas or California I'm just wandering why it took over 30 years for anything to be done. When I was in school I had maybe 4 kids that where from Costa Rica and they spoke perfect english , If I had known then what I know now I would have fought with all I had to bring this to the fore front alot sooner but I didn't watch alot of news besides our local news and I was not aware of the Huge Problem. I sure wish I would have :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by NOamNASTY
BECAUSE CLINTON INTRODUCED PC IN 1994.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatrioticSandra
CA did try with Prop 187, but it died in some court. Nobody has had the guts to ressurrect it since then.
Soooo, CLINTON DID THIS TO US, followed up by BOOSH.
If you wonder why nothing has been "done" to fight the INVASION of ILLEGALS, just follow the money! Once again the politicians and their contributors consider United States and Texas citizens only as “units of laborâ€
If you want to really see when the illegal mexican problem started, you need to trace back to REAGAN, Clinton then continued it. Mc Cain will let them all stay..better vote against him..anyone would be better.
Texas was so underpopulated that Mexicans sneaked over a few at a time, a few here and a few there. They were low key, and folks looked the other way.
As Houston, Dallas, San Antonio grew, they needed labor. The rich of the oil industry needed domestic help, restaurant help.
But now you can see what a runaway train it is. Houston is a cesspool. My parents lived there for 15 years...I hated it.
The new crop of illegal mexicans is different, they are not friendly, submissive and don't want to be laborers for very long. They want it all and they want it now. They will take it from you to get it. They will not wait their turn, they will not do it legally. They feel entitled to be here.