Time to Call a Spade a Spade

I'm sick of it.

When I say this stuff out loud, people look at me like my tinfoil hat is on too tight. Maybe I am just an old fogey?

Well, here goes...:

1. Before the current invasion, we rarely had epidemics of e. coli and TB and other "3rd World" public health problems. I remember when Jack in the Box (a fast food joint) killed a little kid with this, musta been in the mid 80s. They are out of business everywhere east of Nevada, I believe. Now, we get these every couple of weeks and the "experts" run around in circles finding anything they can to blame it on (during the spinach one last year it was deer) except the source: illegals who pick and process these foods who don't know how to wash their hands. In order to be hired to teach where I live, you need a TB test... TB hasn't been a problem in America since the 40s. These people have to be taught not to throw toilet paper they use in the bathroom into the TRASH (yuk!) because of course in Latin America, plumbing for most folks is a major luxury that rarely works and will not survive a wad of used TP.

2. We once had products that worked and were always being improved, and shoddy products put companies out of business. In Mexico, average consumers who complain about poorly made conumer products often are visited by thugs who beat them up. So, in that culture, you take what you are sold and keep your mouth shut. That is creeping into our culture, too. For the past decade I have NEVER had a bottle of Tilex or the Lysol equivalent for which the pump applicator has worked for the entire bottle. In the 70s, I could buy plastic pump bottle that I would spray gasoline through to clean enginer parts. I expected these not to last long. It was gasoline. But they still lasted longer than these pump applicators. This is happening because these companies know that a huge part of their customer base the 40 million illegals here) will not complain, and they are slowly forcing all Americans to become accustomed to shoddy, often dangerous merchandise.

3. Back in the day, you could only get Spanish language stations if you lived in a border town. Out of the first 12 stations in my cable TV service, 4 are Spanish language and the very first one (ch. 2) is slated to switch over to Spanish language any day now. There must be 25 Spanish language radio stations in theis market and at least 40% of the people I see in TV news are "Hispanic." More and more ads for department stores and such are including "Hispanics" and excluding white and even black Americans.

4. We were honest about how crooked employers are. Nobody will admit that the reason comapnies find illegals so attractive is not because these poor, hardworking souls escaping the grinding poerty back home will work for a fraction of what a greedy, spoilt Amerian demands just to get out of bed in the morning. The REAL reason American employers--big and small--like hiring illegals, whom they pay the same hourly wage they would anybody else, is because they pay them off the books, saving all the costs and headaches of paying a legitmate, legal American who HAS to work on the books. We need to stop kidding ourselves. The reality is that companies save BILLIONS every year in this way. They don't have to pay in-kind contributions to FICA, or for various municipal and state fees and "privilege taxes," or for workers comp or unemployment insurance, AND they don't have to deal with the $$ it costs them in bookkeeping and accounting, either.

5. The Democrats and Republicans were different parties. Remember this the next time you go to vote: the Scamnesty bill was called the "Bush-Kennedy" bill.


Now, I am going to polish my tinfoil hat.

Tokie

Ya Tokie.....those were the days. My husband keeps complaining about this junk as well. Have you tried the Sparkle window cleaner where you get these desolving packets and add your own water to their FREE bottle.......only to have the packets not desolve and the pump work to the 3rd use. :roll: It's a treat. There's inexpensive and then there's JUNK. They are charging us top dollar for JUNK claiming it's the thirst of Americans for Cheap. Heck....I remember getting Levis at the Salvation Army because they were finally broke in and wore them to death for over a decade later......now I'm spending full price and lucky my husband can wear them gently for a couple months before they fall apart.

It's not the same and I can't stand where this country is heading. It makes me ill. Right now I'm surprised if customer service just doesn't literally say F off.....coz they could really care less about what we think of their products or service because it's "global" now and in many instances there isn't a choice any longer for any competition. They're all in cahoots with each other. :roll:

I wear my tin hat with pride. I may be old but I remember what it was like to work your way up and do better......not beat each other to death for a race to the bottom.

Here's an extreme tinfoil hat response. It's true, though.

All these planes that have been flying around during the Bush admin. and maybe even back to 1997 have been spraying the air with chemtrails, gases, and pathogens. Do a google search on chemtrails. Also http://www.educate-yourself.org has some info on it.

Now for the info that I know, but can't give you a link on ....yet.
They also spray the air with pathogens that you can't see, but you breathe it in. The illegals from third world with poor hygiene do bring in a lot too. It's like a double whammy. Next time someone predicts a flu or TB outbreak, start asking HOW they know.

If you're still with me, then this one goes even deeper. No link, but in the future you will find out about it. The chemtrails can also be mood altering. They can make people depressed which has helped a pharmecuetical (sp?) company immensely. They can also make someone more sexually active. Think about that for a moment. Think of the sudden increase in sexual assaults and molestation. I just opened pandora's box. Now think about how American's moods have been altered in other ways.

This is true info. My sources are confidential.

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Originally Posted by Tokenconservative

I'm sick of it.

When I say this stuff out loud, people look at me like my tinfoil hat is on too tight. Maybe I am just an old fogey?

Well, here goes...:

1. Before the current invasion, we rarely had epidemics of e. coli and TB and other "3rd World" public health problems. I remember when Jack in the Box (a fast food joint) killed a little kid with this, musta been in the mid 80s. They are out of business everywhere east of Nevada, I believe. Now, we get these every couple of weeks and the "experts" run around in circles finding anything they can to blame it on (during the spinach one last year it was deer) except the source: illegals who pick and process these foods who don't know how to wash their hands. In order to be hired to teach where I live, you need a TB test... TB hasn't been a problem in America since the 40s. These people have to be taught not to throw toilet paper they use in the bathroom into the TRASH (yuk!) because of course in Latin America, plumbing for most folks is a major luxury that rarely works and will not survive a wad of used TP.

2. We once had products that worked and were always being improved, and shoddy products put companies out of business. In Mexico, average consumers who complain about poorly made conumer products often are visited by thugs who beat them up. So, in that culture, you take what you are sold and keep your mouth shut. That is creeping into our culture, too. For the past decade I have NEVER had a bottle of Tilex or the Lysol equivalent for which the pump applicator has worked for the entire bottle. In the 70s, I could buy plastic pump bottle that I would spray gasoline through to clean enginer parts. I expected these not to last long. It was gasoline. But they still lasted longer than these pump applicators. This is happening because these companies know that a huge part of their customer base the 40 million illegals here) will not complain, and they are slowly forcing all Americans to become accustomed to shoddy, often dangerous merchandise.

3. Back in the day, you could only get Spanish language stations if you lived in a border town. Out of the first 12 stations in my cable TV service, 4 are Spanish language and the very first one (ch. 2) is slated to switch over to Spanish language any day now. There must be 25 Spanish language radio stations in theis market and at least 40% of the people I see in TV news are "Hispanic." More and more ads for department stores and such are including "Hispanics" and excluding white and even black Americans.

4. We were honest about how crooked employers are. Nobody will admit that the reason comapnies find illegals so attractive is not because these poor, hardworking souls escaping the grinding poerty back home will work for a fraction of what a greedy, spoilt Amerian demands just to get out of bed in the morning. The REAL reason American employers--big and small--like hiring illegals, whom they pay the same hourly wage they would anybody else, is because they pay them off the books, saving all the costs and headaches of paying a legitmate, legal American who HAS to work on the books. We need to stop kidding ourselves. The reality is that companies save BILLIONS every year in this way. They don't have to pay in-kind contributions to FICA, or for various municipal and state fees and "privilege taxes," or for workers comp or unemployment insurance, AND they don't have to deal with the $$ it costs them in bookkeeping and accounting, either.

5. The Democrats and Republicans were different parties. Remember this the next time you go to vote: the Scamnesty bill was called the "Bush-Kennedy" bill.


Now, I am going to polish my tinfoil hat.

Tokie

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There are a lot of us out here that think just like you do! I'm sick of it too! I am so furious about how our president and lawmakers are always pushing illegal aliens down our throats and making excuses for them while they break our laws......I want them all kicked out of our country! They are criminals! I just want our America back like it was when following laws meant something. :x

saveourcountry,

The first I heard of that sort of thing happening was back in the sixties. Well that's when I heard the story.

During World War Two there was a Japanese scientist that did a lot of work on spreading diseases and other medical experiments. One of the things he was working on when he was captured was a test to see the effects of spreading them airborne. He was captured and when he was interrogated our government thought it sounded interesting. They put him to work for them and he tested a contagion over southern California. You know something contagious enough that it would make people sick but not so much it would kill very many. Those in the most danger were the old or those with a sort of allergy if all went right.

I heard of two such experiments.


I haven't found the story of the experiments I heard about a long time ago. I did come cross a couple of others.


http://www.rense.com/general71/bio.htm

1950 In an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Francisco. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia like symptoms.


http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=18604&

Japanese troops dropped cholera and typhoid cultures in water reservoirs, wells and ponds.

Cottony material and feathers coated with anthrax bacteria were used to spread the disease in an airborne manner, as such fibers had been found to be effective in keeping the bacteria alive long enough to reach the intended human victims.

Witnesses recall watching Japanese airplanes dropping a mixture of wheat, millet, soy beans, rice, cotton fibers, paper and fabric cuttings, aerial spraying pathogens over the cities . They all had been coated with the biological organism or with fleas and brought the germs to people.

Japanese distributed infected food, cakes, drink, clothes and children's candies to the locals.

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U.S. itself in 1943 also set up a major Biological Warfare program with 3,500 people at Camp Detrick, now Fort Detrick, in Frederic, MD. Instead of putting the ringleaders on trial, U.S. gave them stipends to gain some advantages in the WMD Biological Weapon.



P.S. The scary part is that no matter how far out many of these stories are they have more of a ring of truth than anything the government tries to sell us on anymore.

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Originally Posted by saveourcountry

Here's an extreme tinfoil hat response. It's true, though.

All these planes that have been flying around during the Bush admin. and maybe even back to 1997 have been spraying the air with chemtrails, gases, and pathogens. Do a google search on chemtrails. Also http://www.educate-yourself.org has some info on it.

Now for the info that I know, but can't give you a link on ....yet.
They also spray the air with pathogens that you can't see, but you breathe it in. The illegals from third world with poor hygiene do bring in a lot too. It's like a double whammy. Next time someone predicts a flu or TB outbreak, start asking HOW they know.

If you're still with me, then this one goes even deeper. No link, but in the future you will find out about it. The chemtrails can also be mood altering. They can make people depressed which has helped a pharmecuetical (sp?) company immensely. They can also make someone more sexually active. Think about that for a moment. Think of the sudden increase in sexual assaults and molestation. I just opened pandora's box. Now think about how American's moods have been altered in other ways.

This is true info. My sources are confidential.

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With all due respect....um, this is REAL tinfoil hat stuff. I may be a little nutzo, but this is truly crazy. I don't need a link. Just find me ONE pilot who has flown one of these aircraft and tell me where to pick up his book...surely in our society today, someone who has done this would write a book and make a bundle.

Or are the book publishers in on it, too? And the newspapers? And the magazines....wait, let me guess...it's all a Zionist plot, right?

And the illegals are immune to whatever is being sprayed....

Here is the simple answer for "all these planes": air traffic is heavier today than it used to be. Gee. Shocker. As for contrails, this is what high-altitude jet aircraft produce...it was a HUGE problem for those designing the "stealth" aircraft now in use by our military...hard to be invisible when you are leaving a long, white tail. Most of what's in it it water vapor.

This is a serious discussion of a very serious problem. I see the bigger picture and the real "conspiracy" which has been taking shape over the past few decades: those in power are desperate to "3rd World" the US. It's that simple. Those with the money and power want more money and power and if they can take this country down a socialist-fascist path where there is no longer any middle-class, that will help them immensely.

And if you look closely, that's what they are doing, and they are not using chemtrails to accomplish it, but things like political correctness, illegal immigration and creeping socialism.

Tokie

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Ya Tokie.....those were the days. My husband keeps complaining about this junk as well. Have you tried the Sparkle window cleaner where you get these desolving packets and add your own water to their FREE bottle.......only to have the packets not desolve and the pump work to the 3rd use. :roll: It's a treat. There's inexpensive and then there's JUNK. They are charging us top dollar for JUNK claiming it's the thirst of Americans for Cheap. Heck....I remember getting Levis at the Salvation Army because they were finally broke in and wore them to death for over a decade later......now I'm spending full price and lucky my husband can wear them gently for a couple months before they fall apart.

It's not the same and I can't stand where this country is heading. It makes me ill. Right now I'm surprised if customer service just doesn't literally say F off.....coz they could really care less about what we think of their products or service because it's "global" now and in many instances there isn't a choice any longer for any competition. They're all in cahoots with each other. :roll:

I wear my tin hat with pride. I may be old but I remember what it was like to work your way up and do better......not beat each other to death for a race to the bottom.

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The biggest problem I've encountered is getting a really high-gloss shine on my tinfoil hat...the products out there just don't do the same job they used to....

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Tokie

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Originally Posted by Tokenconservative

I'm sick of it.

There are a lot of us out here that think just like you do! I'm sick of it too! I am so furious about how our president and lawmakers are always pushing illegal aliens down our throats and making excuses for them while they break our laws......I want them all kicked out of our country! They are criminals! I just want our America back like it was when following laws meant something. :x

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But see...this is what they use agin' us....they say we are just old fogies (even if we aren't) being unrealistic and nostalgic for the Leave it to Beaver days.....

Oh, and we're racist, too...just like back then. I especially love that argument: you don't want your nation invaded!? RACIST!!!!

It's like telling some Pole who was there in 1938.....you din't like the Germans invading? RAAAACCCCIIIISTTTTTT!!!

But it works. You can't engage in this conversation with ANYone on the left and a great many people on the right without them trotting this one out. And it's like asking you "so, when did you stop beating your wife?" There's virtually no argument against it--as intended--and that shuts down the discussion; you can't point up the damage the invaders have done to our economy, our culture our society...hell, even our ENVIRONMENT...nope, it's all because they have brown skin and you don't...and even if you have black skin or brown skin or yellow or red, they can then say "well, you are just a self-loathing________"

The worst part? I voted...TWICE for the Traitor-in-Chief. And "traitor" is accurate. He has welcomed an invasion of the United States of America. In 1776, they tarred and feathered people like him. (MOD EDIT)
Tokie

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saveourcountry,

The first I heard of that sort of thing happening was back in the sixties. Well that's when I heard the story.

During World War Two there was a Japanese scientist that did a lot of work on spreading diseases and other medical experiments. One of the things he was working on when he was captured was a test to see the effects of spreading them airborne. He was captured and when he was interrogated our government thought it sounded interesting. They put him to work for them and he tested a contagion over southern California. You know something contagious enough that it would make people sick but not so much it would kill very many. Those in the most danger were the old or those with a sort of allergy if all went right.

I heard of two such experiments.


I haven't found the story of the experiments I heard about a long time ago. I did come cross a couple of others.


http://www.rense.com/general71/bio.htm

1950 In an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Francisco. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia like symptoms.


http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=18604&

Japanese troops dropped cholera and typhoid cultures in water reservoirs, wells and ponds.

Cottony material and feathers coated with anthrax bacteria were used to spread the disease in an airborne manner, as such fibers had been found to be effective in keeping the bacteria alive long enough to reach the intended human victims.

Witnesses recall watching Japanese airplanes dropping a mixture of wheat, millet, soy beans, rice, cotton fibers, paper and fabric cuttings, aerial spraying pathogens over the cities . They all had been coated with the biological organism or with fleas and brought the germs to people.

Japanese distributed infected food, cakes, drink, clothes and children's candies to the locals.

snip...

U.S. itself in 1943 also set up a major Biological Warfare program with 3,500 people at Camp Detrick, now Fort Detrick, in Frederic, MD. Instead of putting the ringleaders on trial, U.S. gave them stipends to gain some advantages in the WMD Biological Weapon.



P.S. The scary part is that no matter how far out many of these stories are they have more of a ring of truth than anything the government tries to sell us on anymore.

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Yeah...they did the same thing with bats.

And rats.

So....that means every bat and every rat in the world is actually a little flying/creeping secret agent spreading doom and destruction?

Is there ANY proof of this? Oh...yeah, that's right....every year between the months of November and March, contrails increase over the US (gee...holiday travel season, it's winter, and contrails show up best in cold weather) and they cause flu-like symptoms, especially among the elderly!!!

Oh NOOOEEEESSSSSSS!!!! We are doomed--DOOOOOMMMMEEED!!!

Now, the Japanese wanted to spread bubonic plague or typhus throughout the US population, which would even today be a very effective means of bringing our nation to its knees if such a thing really got on it's feet, so to speak.

The contrails cause flu-like symptoms among, mostly, the elderly. I am confused: what, exactly, is this supposed to do to our society, our economy, etc?

Tokie

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Originally Posted by Tokenconservative

I'm sick of it.

There are a lot of us out here that think just like you do! I'm sick of it too! I am so furious about how our president and lawmakers are always pushing illegal aliens down our throats and making excuses for them while they break our laws......I want them all kicked out of our country! They are criminals! I just want our America back like it was when following laws meant something. :x

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But see...this is what they use agin' us....they say we are just old fogies (even if we aren't) being unrealistic and nostalgic for the Leave it to Beaver days.....

Oh, and we're racist, too...just like back then. I especially love that argument: you don't want your nation invaded!? RACIST!!!!

It's like telling some Pole who was there in 1938.....you din't like the Germans invading? RAAAACCCCIIIISTTTTTT!!!

But it works. You can't engage in this conversation with ANYone on the left and a great many people on the right without them trotting this one out. And it's like asking you "so, when did you stop beating your wife?" There's virtually no argument against it--as intended--and that shuts down the discussion; you can't point up the damage the invaders have done to our economy, our culture our society...hell, even our ENVIRONMENT...nope, it's all because they have brown skin and you don't...and even if you have black skin or brown skin or yellow or red, they can then say "well, you are just a self-loathing________"

The worst part? I voted...TWICE for the Traitor-in-Chief. And "traitor" is accurate. He has welcomed an invasion of the United States of America. In 1776, they tarred and feathered people like him. In 1942, they shot or hung them.

Tokie

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I know what you mean when the liberal left tries to twist all the facts against us about illegal immigration. But the truth is these guys are wrong and this president is a traitor and so are the rest of the people who support what he is doing. All through time dictatars have tried to convince the people they ruled over that they knew best. Right now our way of life and our government is being over-thrown by people who hate America. I too voted for this president, never could I imagine that he would turn against the American people, but he has. He needs to be taken out of office and punished. I don't think the American people who love our country are going to sit back and let all this nonsense go on. Evenually the people are going to put a stop tp it. I just hope it's soon!

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The biggest problem I've encountered is getting a really high-gloss shine on my tinfoil hat...the products out there just don't do the same job they used to....

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I'm having trouble finding decent aluminum foil.....forget shining. :lol: :lol: Naw....hot glue gune and some lace and feathers....looks nice. LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously over 7 bucks for heavy duty aluminum foil. Toliet paper is thicker than the cheap stuff.

There is no conspiracy. Its as old as time. Fuedal lords excercising their dominance over the masses. How long do you think middle-classes have existed? We live in a very unique time-period, in a world with a history dominated by oppression, tyranny, and slavery. The modern Western world created something great........Where if you work hard, you are rewarded with a comfortable life. This is unique to the 20th century Western world. The fuedal lords are trying to leverage it back to total control at the top, mass poverty and ignorance below.

It never changed in Mexico and the rest of the Third World. The elites aren't so much emulating them, as they are going back to civilizational norms and traditions. One difference: we are not slaves, we have a constitution, and we have a feirce tradition of freedom and winning battlles. Let's see who wins out.

Tokenconservative - you asked for proof; how about your proof that the government doesn't spray the air with pathogens. Is your only argument against the idea is that it sounds too far out there? Do you actually think that someone deep inside the government would come forward and admit that they spayed pathogens and killed people? Even a guilty conscious wouldn't result in that admission. Agent orange was in the same category. Study up on that. Anyone who doesn't think that this is happening is naive.

StokeyBob- thanks for the information


Hey you all,

As much as I love my tinfoil hat, don't wear it. All these cell phone towers and underground electromagnetic energies would be attracted to metal. In today's area we need another term for us other than "tinfoil hat."

saveourcountry,

I came across this book yesterday when I was looking for information on the experiments over San Diego.

Undue Risk : Secret Sate Experiments On Humans

http://www.amazon.ca/Undue-Risk-Secr.../dp/0716731428

Even if you don't buy the book the product description is worth reading. I remember the first time I heard about the man passing himself off as a doctor that injected someone with plutonium and studied him dieing. He did it to the other human being without him knowing. The man died and his body was snatched out of the cemetery. The doctor that did it is also dead.

Another story I remember from my youth is the one about the big radio station that was built in the beginning of radio. They built the mother of all stations. It could broadcast a good distance around the world or at least a good piece across the United States. Farmers started having problems with milk production. People could pick up the station on bob wire fences if they were the right length. Many weird things began to happen. I think that was when the first regulations were introduced on the output a station could have.

The problem I see today is that we don't have super powerful stations but we do have massive quantities of transmitters. The RFD tags they are talking about are themselves little transmitters. We are being inundated with many new products with transmitters. I've heard of a college that banned WIFI because of all of the signal pollution. At least that is what the article said.

I think this is a huge problem today. I suppose many of us are the guinea pigs.

Don't knock those tinfoil hats! Tin foil does block radiation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin-foil_hat

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Tokenconservative - you asked for proof; how about your proof that the government doesn't spray the air with pathogens. Is your only argument against the idea is that it sounds too far out there? Do you actually think that someone deep inside the government would come forward and admit that they spayed pathogens and killed people? Even a guilty conscious wouldn't result in that admission. Agent orange was in the same category. Study up on that. Anyone who doesn't think that this is happening is naive.

StokeyBob- thanks for the information


Hey you all,

As much as I love my tinfoil hat, don't wear it. All these cell phone towers and underground electromagnetic energies would be attracted to metal. In today's area we need another term for us other than "tinfoil hat."

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Look, I don't want to get into a big argument with you about this on here, it's not the place for it. There are lots and lots of conspiracy forums out there.

It's not, in logical discourse, necessary for anyone to prove something is NOT occuring. That's like saying, "oh, yeah!? Well prove God DOESN'T exist Mr. Atheist." Sorry, that's not how such discourse works. It's not logical. You (among many others for the past 20 years that I know of) made the assertion that "they" are spraying some unidentified agent intended to um, well...you don't really specify, from essentially any aircraft that leaves behind a contrail.

Well, prove it. And I don't mean by posting a link to someone else wearing a tinfoil hat. I mean find me a United Airlines, Continental, Southwest, Delta, etc. pilot (retired or still employed, willing to give his name, address, etc.) who has gone public or will go public here verifying that yes, his plane was loaded with some agent that was released with his exhaust and then we can begin to engage in a real conversation abou this.

I'd also accept a county or state health officer who will come forward and say that yes, X-number of citizens in their jurisdiction just up and died in a mysterious epidemic, that they traced to some pathogen released from overhead flights.

Let me tell you something. For years, I've lived under or near the primary flight paths out of one of the nation's larges airports. I am healthy as a horse. I am rarely sick. Though I DID come down with a flu-like illness maybe 4-5 years ago, that made me very ill for about three weeks...

Tokie

StokeyBob- Wow! That book looks interesting. I will get it. I read the product description and it talked about the experiments and giving people LSD. Go to youtube and type in MKUltra and watch some of those videos. Many of those victims were given LSD .

FYI - my ex-spouse was a microbiologist (not with CDC; but a company closely related) If the general public knew what they were doing to animals on this farm, they would have had it shut down. I have often wondered what other experiments were going on there. They did A LOT with e.coli
It was a very secretive place to say the least.
It was located on a farm with goats, rabbits, rats, horses, etc. The buildings had labs with all kinds of high tech equiment, beakers, centrifuges, etc.

I'm now confused about the tinfoil hats. I've heard that they're bad, but now you show me something that is otherwise. I wear a zapper which strengthens the energy field around my body and I also keep a stone on me for protection.


Thanks again for all the information.

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I'm sick of it.

I know what you mean when the liberal left tries to twist all the facts against us about illegal immigration. But the truth is these guys are wrong and this president is a traitor and so are the rest of the people who support what he is doing. All through time dictatars have tried to convince the people they ruled over that they knew best. Right now our way of life and our government is being over-thrown by people who hate America. I too voted for this president, never could I imagine that he would turn against the American people, but he has. He needs to be taken out of office and punished. I don't think the American people who love our country are going to sit back and let all this nonsense go on. Evenually the people are going to put a stop tp it. I just hope it's soon!

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That's the problem though...in my view, and what I had quite a shocking (to me) epiphany about when debate about the Scamnesty broke. I thought the libs were behind all this, the open borders, the mollycoddling of illegals, forcing us to learn their language, forcing us to assimilate to their culture, etc.

It was the BUSH-Kennedy Scamnesty bill. Bush is supposed to be one of the good guys.

I will never vote for a "R" again. They are going to lose in '08, and that will probably mean a long, tough economic decline for your nation, but what's the point of voting for a Republican when all you'll be doing is putting a slightly different kind of self-serving socialist?

I am not sure what we are or even can do about it. Go to Wal-Mart. (MOD EDIT). Go to any construction site. The people working those $20-$60/hr jobs are probably illegals. When ICE raided those meatpacking plants last year, a week later when they reopened, AMERCIANS were lining up to take the "jobs Americans won't do!" that had been occupied by illegals.

This is about money and power. This president's father wanted to usher in a "new world order." Much as I hate conspiratorial crap, I have to admit that the son is working hard to accomplish what his father was hoping for. And getting it accomplished. In my state, there are, by a very conservative estimate, something around 250,000 illegals (it's likely closer to 300k). The census says this state has about 2 million people. And we are in the middle of the pack as far as this sort of statistic goes.

This is very, very bad.

Tokie

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Tokenconservative - you asked for proof; how about your proof that the government doesn't spray the air with pathogens. Is your only argument against the idea is that it sounds too far out there? Do you actually think that someone deep inside the government would come forward and admit that they spayed pathogens and killed people? Even a guilty conscious wouldn't result in that admission. Agent orange was in the same category. Study up on that. Anyone who doesn't think that this is happening is naive.

StokeyBob- thanks for the information


Hey you all,

As much as I love my tinfoil hat, don't wear it. All these cell phone towers and underground electromagnetic energies would be attracted to metal. In today's area we need another term for us other than "tinfoil hat."

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I think you're the one left with the burden of proof on this one.

Armybrat21 - Check out Stokeybob's book above.

You will find out with proof in the distant future. It is true. That's all I can say right now.

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There is no conspiracy. Its as old as time. Fuedal lords excercising their dominance over the masses. How long do you think middle-classes have existed? We live in a very unique time-period, in a world with a history dominated by oppression, tyranny, and slavery. The modern Western world created something great........Where if you work hard, you are rewarded with a comfortable life. This is unique to the 20th century Western world. The fuedal lords are trying to leverage it back to total control at the top, mass poverty and ignorance below.

It never changed in Mexico and the rest of the Third World. The elites aren't so much emulating them, as they are going back to civilizational norms and traditions. One difference: we are not slaves, we have a constitution, and we have a feirce tradition of freedom and winning battlles. Let's see who wins out.

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Middle classes rise and fall. The Romans had one, so did the ancient Chinese. In the West, the middle class began its rise once again in the Middle Ages; kings cannot actually make their own swords and feather beds, after all, nor sail the ships that bring them exotic spices from afar.

But I take your meaning and yes, that's what this is about: destroying the middle class, the very backbone, of America. These people want America to be a 3rd World nation, they want only the haves and have-nots, but the have-nots should have just enough left to buy trashy products from Wal-Mart. That is what Bush and 98% of our politicians from city to state to fed are working toward right now.

This is why so many of them were so fully in suppor to of the Bush-Kennedy Scamnesty...on BOTH sides of the political aisle. They were both horrified when, by the power of this medim here, primarily, word about this got out to We, the People, who still retain a modicum of power by our votes, and put a stop to this, what would've been the biggest power grab since the October Revolution in Russia almost a century ago.

Make no mistake, the intent is to destroy the America we know, a land of free markets and free souls, and turn us into a nation of serfs, forced to do the bidding of our lords in their manor houses, like Bush and Kennedy and 98% of the rest of our politicians.

Interesting side note: virtually all of the "conservative" yakkers on the radio were caught with their trousers down on this one. Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Ingraham...none of them were talking about this until it exploded on the 'net, and it became known to the hoi palloi what was about to happen behind the scenes. Then, this gaggle of hypocrites came running, claiming oh, no, they've always been right there, why look, two years ago (and they have the clips to prove it!) they said they were opposed to illegal immigration, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Oh...wait...I nearly forgotted. Rush, Hannity, Ingraham, et al....they are the landed gentry themselves, aren't they?

(MOD EDIT).

(MOD EDIT).

Time to take back our country.


Tokie

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Armybrat21 - Check out Stokeybob's book above.

You will find out with proof in the distant future. It is true. That's all I can say right now.

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Why is that all you can say right now? Are "they" watching you?

Why not just tell us what the book says, give us the proof it offers and stop playing these silly games?

People like you remind me of my mother-in-law, a big time conspiracy believer for years. She put herself into bankruptsy preparing for "the end" at Y2k. But one time we were camping with them and me and my kids were sitting out by the fire looking at the stars and I see that one of them is moving...a satellite!

Very cool! I live in the city and it's hard to see these.

I point it out to my kids. My m-in-law goes completely rigid. Stares in wide-eyed fear at ithe sat., quietly rises, slinks into her RV. About ten minutes pass and she returns.

Here is this (at the time) 70 year old "retired" housewife whose husband worked for the post office who believed (she has calmed out since the world did not end) that multi-billion dollar satellites were orbiting the planet keeping an eye on retirees in their RVs.

Tokie

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StokeyBob- Wow! That book looks interesting. I will get it. I read the product description and it talked about the experiments and giving people LSD. Go to youtube and type in MKUltra and watch some of those videos. Many of those victims were given LSD .

FYI - my ex-spouse was a microbiologist (not with CDC; but a company closely related) If the general public knew what they were doing to animals on this farm, they would have had it shut down. I have often wondered what other experiments were going on there. They did A LOT with e.coli
It was a very secretive place to say the least.
It was located on a farm with goats, rabbits, rats, horses, etc. The buildings had labs with all kinds of high tech equiment, beakers, centrifuges, etc.

I'm now confused about the tinfoil hats. I've heard that they're bad, but now you show me something that is otherwise. I wear a zapper which strengthens the energy field around my body and I also keep a stone on me for protection.


Thanks again for all the information.

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Does it pass the giggle test? We live in a world where if you can expose something like say, oh, a couple of political party operatives engaging in a bungled attempt to break into the opposing party's offices and get their super-secret plans, you become an overnight sensation and retire to your house on Waikiki beach.

So, here is a "conspiracy" to spray the entire nation with LSD(!?--can't they come up with like some better stuff these days, man?) for multiple decades...to what ends? Who knows! But something like this would require the knowledge of thousands of people over several decades and yet not one of them has ever had this thought: you know, if I were to expose this in a book, I'd be a very, very rich person.

Why not?

Oh, that's right...they've all--in their thousands--been threatened with death if they speak. You know, a $30 mil book deal buys an awful lot of security, and for that matter, once such a book was out, offing someone like that would lead straight back to the conspiracy, wouldn't it?

Oh...wait, let me guess. All of the publishing industry is in on it, too....of course they are. They are run by Zion so, natcherly......

And yet, here's this book...that's published. Is the author dead? In hiding? He's not rich, that's for sure. I wonder why? Oh...yeah, another part of the conspiracy "they" won't let the world know about this book...

Wheels within wheels...so long as you can say that your proof of the conspiracy is that there is no proof of the conspiracy, you can believe anything you want.

Tokie

Tokie,

I never said that they would spray the air with LSD. LSD is a liquid.

They spray the air with chemtrails. They spray the air with pathogens. Do some research on the planes. People started noticing planes flying overhead in Houston , Texas on regular intervals. The government admitted that they were testing unmanned aircraft to settle everyone down.

The gov. has a long, shady reputation of giving LSD to unsuspecting individuals. I strongly suggest that you do research on MKUltra and Montauk Project. I have studied these two topics intensely for about 6 months. Also, go to youtube and do a search on "mind control". Watch those videos there. Also, go to youtube and do a search on "MK Ultra" and "Paperclip". If you look hard enough you'll find government documents that were forced to be released about those projects. The government admitted in the 70s and again in the 90s to performing experiments on Americans. Youtube has a clip of Bill Clinton apologizing to former victims. They vowed to stop. They just do it another way.

How is all of this related to illegal immigration? Basically, it has incapcitated (sp?) our population. We would have had American Revolution deux long ago.

I feel that I've overstayed my time on this topic, so I won't post any more about it.

Please take the time to research.

At this point in time, I think we need to keep our eyes on the problem at hand: illegal aliens in this country. The facts are on our side in this fight, and if we get painted with a reputation for conspiracy theories, it will be hard to regain credibility.

We have a government unwilling to enforce the borders of our country and unwilling to enforce our immigration laws. Our national sovereignty is directly thrown into question when that is the case. A nation without borders is not a nation, as has often been said. Businesses have shown themselves to be more concerned with their profits than with the interests of the U.S. or the American worker. We have seen our manufacturing base gutted, our standard of life become shabbier, and our dependency on foreign nations has increased dangerously. What if we go to war with China and our entire manufacturing base is over there, for example?

We don't need these conspiracy theories. Sorry if that rubs some people the wrong way. Commonly known fact make us allies with every American patriot.

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How is all of this related to illegal immigration? Basically, it has incapcitated (sp?) our population. We would have had American Revolution deux long ago.

I feel that I've overstayed my time on this topic, so I won't post any more about it.

Please take the time to research.

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We did have a deluxe Revolution decades ago. It was carried out by the Federal Government in the way they govern.

If I sold people on fences and made the kind of promises the government has been making us and didn't follow through I would likely be in prison for fraud.

They have taken it upon themselves to trample the United States Constitution whenever it gets in their way.

We are going to have to restore law and order in our government before we restore law and order in our streets.

Now is the time for use to show up at our local public meetings and make sure the officials we now have in office know exactly how we feel. Many of them need to face charges of aiding and abetting.

They have also gone against their oaths of office if the oaths contained the clause about upholding the United States Constitution.

Article Four, Section four states;

The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

We are going to need many good, honest, men and women to fill the vacancies.

Keep an eye on those that stand up against this lawlessness. They should make good candidates.

Re; that posting by saveour country on airplane chemtrails that increase sexual activity. Hide the womenfolk cause I'm going to stand near the airport with my shirt off to soak up the free Cialis.

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The biggest problem I've encountered is getting a really high-gloss shine on my tinfoil hat...the products out there just don't do the same job they used to....

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try going to the 99 cent store and buying a spray bottle. Mix one part vinegar and one part rubbing alcohol. shines mine to a gloss

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Re; that posting by saveour country on airplane chemtrails that increase sexual activity. Hide the womenfolk cause I'm going to stand near the airport with my shirt off to soak up the free Cialis.

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Sez it increases YOUR sex drive....better bring a few Girls Gone Wild along to the airport with you....

Tokie

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Tokie,

I never said that they would spray the air with LSD. LSD is a liquid.

They spray the air with chemtrails. They spray the air with pathogens. Do some research on the planes. People started noticing planes flying overhead in Houston , Texas on regular intervals. The government admitted that they were testing unmanned aircraft to settle everyone down.

The gov. has a long, shady reputation of giving LSD to unsuspecting individuals. I strongly suggest that you do research on MKUltra and Montauk Project. I have studied these two topics intensely for about 6 months. Also, go to youtube and do a search on "mind control". Watch those videos there. Also, go to youtube and do a search on "MK Ultra" and "Paperclip". If you look hard enough you'll find government documents that were forced to be released about those projects. The government admitted in the 70s and again in the 90s to performing experiments on Americans. Youtube has a clip of Bill Clinton apologizing to former victims. They vowed to stop. They just do it another way.

How is all of this related to illegal immigration? Basically, it has incapcitated (sp?) our population. We would have had American Revolution deux long ago.

I feel that I've overstayed my time on this topic, so I won't post any more about it.

Please take the time to research.

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The point is that you have no evidence other than a few publications--and people have been making this claim for decades, now--that "they" are doing this.

Here is the question I asked a former Monsanto employee going around the nation claiming that Monsanto was putting some nasty thing in "our children's milk!!!"

Where are the special Monsanto Milk Stores?

I ask you the same quesiton...were all the tens of thousands of people who must be "inside" to be doing this, innoculated? Or are they just told, through the transmitters in their fillings, to stay indoors when the spraying of "pathogen X" happens?

It is not enough (nor logical) to say "since we KNOW (and we do) that the US gov't has been involved in various studies of various kinds that exposed people, unbeknownst to them or their guardians to various nasty things, this is therefore proof that (as you seem to believe it is), "they" are therefore spraying some supersecret, "pathogen" that does um...well, not much as far as we can tell, from high flying...or any other kind of aircraft."

And it's not enoug to say..."just look up at all the contrails!! There weren't that many 40 years ago!!!"

Duh. There wasn't as much air traffic 40 years ago. Contrails are more a function of temperature and humidity levels at the altitude at which these aircraft fly....ask yourself this...why don't these jets produce "chemtrails" when they are taking off and landing...seems that since when taking off and landing, they are over the most heavily populated areas (what a bonanza at Midway or Newar, or John Wayne!) it would only make since to be spraying at that level...or do the "chems" in these trails only activate at altitude...is that the save for that one? Or will you say "needs to be high for maximum dispersal!" Yeah? Then why did they spray DDT to control mosquitoes from the backs of truck...not even monster trucks?

Just because the US went to the moon, it does not mean there is a supersecret glass city on the "dark" side where all the rich and powerful will go after their eeeevvviiiillll plan to destroy this planet comes to fruition.

Tokie

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At this point in time, I think we need to keep our eyes on the problem at hand: illegal aliens in this country. The facts are on our side in this fight, and if we get painted with a reputation for conspiracy theories, it will be hard to regain credibility.

We have a government unwilling to enforce the borders of our country and unwilling to enforce our immigration laws. Our national sovereignty is directly thrown into question when that is the case. A nation without borders is not a nation, as has often been said. Businesses have shown themselves to be more concerned with their profits than with the interests of the U.S. or the American worker. We have seen our manufacturing base gutted, our standard of life become shabbier, and our dependency on foreign nations has increased dangerously. What if we go to war with China and our entire manufacturing base is over there, for example?

We don't need these conspiracy theories. Sorry if that rubs some people the wrong way. Commonly known fact make us allies with every American patriot.

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We do, indeed.

If we need a conspiracy, let's look to the real one, the fascist one between big business and our government as they attempt to destroy the middle class and 3rd -World America.

We don't need to look to UFOs or Bigfoot or "chemtrails" when a very real conspiracy that actually matters is right in front of us.

And yes, the more rightwing kooks in here spouting stuff about chemtrails and UN forces in container ships in China's harbor in LA, and reversed engineered technology from crashed UFOs that help the illegals see to cross the desert at night...or whatever, the less seriously others need to take anyone in here.

You only need to point to a thread shrieking about "chemtrails" in forum like this to utterly discount the rest of it.

Tokie

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At this point in time, I think we need to keep our eyes on the problem at hand: illegal aliens in this country. The facts are on our side in this fight, and if we get painted with a reputation for conspiracy theories, it will be hard to regain credibility.

We have a government unwilling to enforce the borders of our country and unwilling to enforce our immigration laws. Our national sovereignty is directly thrown into question when that is the case. A nation without borders is not a nation, as has often been said. Businesses have shown themselves to be more concerned with their profits than with the interests of the U.S. or the American worker. We have seen our manufacturing base gutted, our standard of life become shabbier, and our dependency on foreign nations has increased dangerously. What if we go to war with China and our entire manufacturing base is over there, for example?

We don't need these conspiracy theories. Sorry if that rubs some people the wrong way. Commonly known fact make us allies with every American patriot.

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I agree 100% This conversation could be used against us at another time!!!! We are helping the illegals by giving them PROOF that we are nuts.

Because of the PC police and accusations that we are raciest and don't really understand the benefits here, we need to keep our credibility beyond reproach!

I would also like to add that we are being very rude to tokie. A conversation was started about the negative changes in our country, and it has been hijacked to a conversation that can never help our mutual cause, but can do great harm. I think an apology is owed here.

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know what you mean when the liberal left tries to twist all the facts against us about illegal immigration. But the truth is these guys are wrong and this president is a traitor and so are the rest of the people who support what he is doing. All through time dictatars have tried to convince the people they ruled over that they knew best. Right now our way of life and our government is being over-thrown by people who hate America. I too voted for this president, never could I imagine that he would turn against the American people, but he has. He needs to be taken out of office and punished. I don't think the American people who love our country are going to sit back and let all this nonsense go on. Evenually the people are going to put a stop tp it. I just hope it's soon!

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I hope it is soon enough

Please spend 6 months doing the research as I have done. Then if you still aren't convinced then call me nuts. I cited several suggestions to begin with on a previous post. If you do the research, you will find the evidence for yourself.

I also stated that my ex-spouse who is/was a microbiologist worked for a company. It followed orders from CDC. I will not name the company , but it's on the Fortune 500 list.

I was not going to post more about this, but felt the need to defend myself since I was called "nuts".

The topic came up because TB was mentioned in the original post.

Now, I will not post more on this thread about the subject.

Please educate yourself.

saveourcountry, I did not call you nuts! what i said was:

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I agree 100% This conversation could be used against us at another time!!!! We are helping the illegals by giving them PROOF that we are nuts.

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This conversation could be twisted by the pro-illegal crowd enough for them to say this proves we are nuts. If you will notice, I used the plural form we, not the singular finger pointing form you. I am just saying, lets not give them anything to fuel the fire.

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Re; that posting by saveour country on airplane chemtrails that increase sexual activity. Hide the womenfolk cause I'm going to stand near the airport with my shirt off to soak up the free Cialis.

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andyt,

How about if us womenfolk sacrafice just one martyr for the cause. :wink:

Here's my theory, it's better to entertain the probable than to be in denial.

If you want to stick your head in the sand, more power to ya but remember to thank us later when we save your ass.

Dixie