Thread: Time to Call a Spade a Spade

Originally Posted by saveourcountry

Armybrat21 - Check out Stokeybob's book above.

You will find out with proof in the distant future. It is true. That's all I can say right now.

Why is that all you can say right now? Are "they" watching you?

Why not just tell us what the book says, give us the proof it offers and stop playing these silly games?

People like you remind me of my mother-in-law, a big time conspiracy believer for years. She put herself into bankruptsy preparing for "the end" at Y2k. But one time we were camping with them and me and my kids were sitting out by the fire looking at the stars and I see that one of them is moving...a satellite!

Very cool! I live in the city and it's hard to see these.

I point it out to my kids. My m-in-law goes completely rigid. Stares in wide-eyed fear at ithe sat., quietly rises, slinks into her RV. About ten minutes pass and she returns.

Here is this (at the time) 70 year old "retired" housewife whose husband worked for the post office who believed (she has calmed out since the world did not end) that multi-billion dollar satellites were orbiting the planet keeping an eye on retirees in their RVs.

Tokie

Originally Posted by saveourcountry

StokeyBob- Wow! That book looks interesting. I will get it. I read the product description and it talked about the experiments and giving people LSD. Go to youtube and type in MKUltra and watch some of those videos. Many of those victims were given LSD .

FYI - my ex-spouse was a microbiologist (not with CDC; but a company closely related) If the general public knew what they were doing to animals on this farm, they would have had it shut down. I have often wondered what other experiments were going on there. They did A LOT with e.coli
It was a very secretive place to say the least.
It was located on a farm with goats, rabbits, rats, horses, etc. The buildings had labs with all kinds of high tech equiment, beakers, centrifuges, etc.

I'm now confused about the tinfoil hats. I've heard that they're bad, but now you show me something that is otherwise. I wear a zapper which strengthens the energy field around my body and I also keep a stone on me for protection.


Thanks again for all the information.

Does it pass the giggle test? We live in a world where if you can expose something like say, oh, a couple of political party operatives engaging in a bungled attempt to break into the opposing party's offices and get their super-secret plans, you become an overnight sensation and retire to your house on Waikiki beach.

So, here is a "conspiracy" to spray the entire nation with LSD(!?--can't they come up with like some better stuff these days, man?) for multiple decades...to what ends? Who knows! But something like this would require the knowledge of thousands of people over several decades and yet not one of them has ever had this thought: you know, if I were to expose this in a book, I'd be a very, very rich person.

Why not?

Oh, that's right...they've all--in their thousands--been threatened with death if they speak. You know, a $30 mil book deal buys an awful lot of security, and for that matter, once such a book was out, offing someone like that would lead straight back to the conspiracy, wouldn't it?

Oh...wait, let me guess. All of the publishing industry is in on it, too....of course they are. They are run by Zion so, natcherly......

And yet, here's this book...that's published. Is the author dead? In hiding? He's not rich, that's for sure. I wonder why? Oh...yeah, another part of the conspiracy "they" won't let the world know about this book...

Wheels within wheels...so long as you can say that your proof of the conspiracy is that there is no proof of the conspiracy, you can believe anything you want.

Tokie

Tokie,

I never said that they would spray the air with LSD. LSD is a liquid.

They spray the air with chemtrails. They spray the air with pathogens. Do some research on the planes. People started noticing planes flying overhead in Houston , Texas on regular intervals. The government admitted that they were testing unmanned aircraft to settle everyone down.

The gov. has a long, shady reputation of giving LSD to unsuspecting individuals. I strongly suggest that you do research on MKUltra and Montauk Project. I have studied these two topics intensely for about 6 months. Also, go to youtube and do a search on "mind control". Watch those videos there. Also, go to youtube and do a search on "MK Ultra" and "Paperclip". If you look hard enough you'll find government documents that were forced to be released about those projects. The government admitted in the 70s and again in the 90s to performing experiments on Americans. Youtube has a clip of Bill Clinton apologizing to former victims. They vowed to stop. They just do it another way.

How is all of this related to illegal immigration? Basically, it has incapcitated (sp?) our population. We would have had American Revolution deux long ago.

I feel that I've overstayed my time on this topic, so I won't post any more about it.

Please take the time to research.

At this point in time, I think we need to keep our eyes on the problem at hand: illegal aliens in this country. The facts are on our side in this fight, and if we get painted with a reputation for conspiracy theories, it will be hard to regain credibility.

We have a government unwilling to enforce the borders of our country and unwilling to enforce our immigration laws. Our national sovereignty is directly thrown into question when that is the case. A nation without borders is not a nation, as has often been said. Businesses have shown themselves to be more concerned with their profits than with the interests of the U.S. or the American worker. We have seen our manufacturing base gutted, our standard of life become shabbier, and our dependency on foreign nations has increased dangerously. What if we go to war with China and our entire manufacturing base is over there, for example?

We don't need these conspiracy theories. Sorry if that rubs some people the wrong way. Commonly known fact make us allies with every American patriot.

Originally Posted by saveourcountry

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How is all of this related to illegal immigration? Basically, it has incapcitated (sp?) our population. We would have had American Revolution deux long ago.

I feel that I've overstayed my time on this topic, so I won't post any more about it.

Please take the time to research.

We did have a deluxe Revolution decades ago. It was carried out by the Federal Government in the way they govern.

If I sold people on fences and made the kind of promises the government has been making us and didn't follow through I would likely be in prison for fraud.

They have taken it upon themselves to trample the United States Constitution whenever it gets in their way.

We are going to have to restore law and order in our government before we restore law and order in our streets.

Now is the time for use to show up at our local public meetings and make sure the officials we now have in office know exactly how we feel. Many of them need to face charges of aiding and abetting.

They have also gone against their oaths of office if the oaths contained the clause about upholding the United States Constitution.

Article Four, Section four states;

The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

We are going to need many good, honest, men and women to fill the vacancies.

Keep an eye on those that stand up against this lawlessness. They should make good candidates.

Re; that posting by saveour country on airplane chemtrails that increase sexual activity. Hide the womenfolk cause I'm going to stand near the airport with my shirt off to soak up the free Cialis.

The biggest problem I've encountered is getting a really high-gloss shine on my tinfoil hat...the products out there just don't do the same job they used to....

try going to the 99 cent store and buying a spray bottle. Mix one part vinegar and one part rubbing alcohol. shines mine to a gloss

Originally Posted by andyt

Re; that posting by saveour country on airplane chemtrails that increase sexual activity. Hide the womenfolk cause I'm going to stand near the airport with my shirt off to soak up the free Cialis.

Sez it increases YOUR sex drive....better bring a few Girls Gone Wild along to the airport with you....

Tokie

Originally Posted by saveourcountry

Tokie,

I never said that they would spray the air with LSD. LSD is a liquid.

They spray the air with chemtrails. They spray the air with pathogens. Do some research on the planes. People started noticing planes flying overhead in Houston , Texas on regular intervals. The government admitted that they were testing unmanned aircraft to settle everyone down.

The gov. has a long, shady reputation of giving LSD to unsuspecting individuals. I strongly suggest that you do research on MKUltra and Montauk Project. I have studied these two topics intensely for about 6 months. Also, go to youtube and do a search on "mind control". Watch those videos there. Also, go to youtube and do a search on "MK Ultra" and "Paperclip". If you look hard enough you'll find government documents that were forced to be released about those projects. The government admitted in the 70s and again in the 90s to performing experiments on Americans. Youtube has a clip of Bill Clinton apologizing to former victims. They vowed to stop. They just do it another way.

How is all of this related to illegal immigration? Basically, it has incapcitated (sp?) our population. We would have had American Revolution deux long ago.

I feel that I've overstayed my time on this topic, so I won't post any more about it.

Please take the time to research.

The point is that you have no evidence other than a few publications--and people have been making this claim for decades, now--that "they" are doing this.

Here is the question I asked a former Monsanto employee going around the nation claiming that Monsanto was putting some nasty thing in "our children's milk!!!"

Where are the special Monsanto Milk Stores?

I ask you the same quesiton...were all the tens of thousands of people who must be "inside" to be doing this, innoculated? Or are they just told, through the transmitters in their fillings, to stay indoors when the spraying of "pathogen X" happens?

It is not enough (nor logical) to say "since we KNOW (and we do) that the US gov't has been involved in various studies of various kinds that exposed people, unbeknownst to them or their guardians to various nasty things, this is therefore proof that (as you seem to believe it is), "they" are therefore spraying some supersecret, "pathogen" that does um...well, not much as far as we can tell, from high flying...or any other kind of aircraft."

And it's not enoug to say..."just look up at all the contrails!! There weren't that many 40 years ago!!!"

Duh. There wasn't as much air traffic 40 years ago. Contrails are more a function of temperature and humidity levels at the altitude at which these aircraft fly....ask yourself this...why don't these jets produce "chemtrails" when they are taking off and landing...seems that since when taking off and landing, they are over the most heavily populated areas (what a bonanza at Midway or Newar, or John Wayne!) it would only make since to be spraying at that level...or do the "chems" in these trails only activate at altitude...is that the save for that one? Or will you say "needs to be high for maximum dispersal!" Yeah? Then why did they spray DDT to control mosquitoes from the backs of truck...not even monster trucks?

Just because the US went to the moon, it does not mean there is a supersecret glass city on the "dark" side where all the rich and powerful will go after their eeeevvviiiillll plan to destroy this planet comes to fruition.

Tokie

Originally Posted by apropos

At this point in time, I think we need to keep our eyes on the problem at hand: illegal aliens in this country. The facts are on our side in this fight, and if we get painted with a reputation for conspiracy theories, it will be hard to regain credibility.

We have a government unwilling to enforce the borders of our country and unwilling to enforce our immigration laws. Our national sovereignty is directly thrown into question when that is the case. A nation without borders is not a nation, as has often been said. Businesses have shown themselves to be more concerned with their profits than with the interests of the U.S. or the American worker. We have seen our manufacturing base gutted, our standard of life become shabbier, and our dependency on foreign nations has increased dangerously. What if we go to war with China and our entire manufacturing base is over there, for example?

We don't need these conspiracy theories. Sorry if that rubs some people the wrong way. Commonly known fact make us allies with every American patriot.

We do, indeed.

If we need a conspiracy, let's look to the real one, the fascist one between big business and our government as they attempt to destroy the middle class and 3rd -World America.

We don't need to look to UFOs or Bigfoot or "chemtrails" when a very real conspiracy that actually matters is right in front of us.

And yes, the more rightwing kooks in here spouting stuff about chemtrails and UN forces in container ships in China's harbor in LA, and reversed engineered technology from crashed UFOs that help the illegals see to cross the desert at night...or whatever, the less seriously others need to take anyone in here.

You only need to point to a thread shrieking about "chemtrails" in forum like this to utterly discount the rest of it.

Tokie