Top Trump Surrogate Says Border Wall and Mass Deportation Will Be "Virtual"

Top Trump Surrogate Says Border Wall and Mass Deportation Will Be "Virtual"

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By JOSH MARSHALL
MAY 18, 2016, 11:04 PM EDT

Buffalo New York Congressman Chris Collins (R-NY) was the first member of Congress to endorse presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump and he's become a key campaign surrogate for the reputed billionaire businessman. But in a Tuesday interview with The Buffalo News, Collins said he believed two of Trump's signature campaign proposals would never be carried out.

Collins said he believed the wall Trump promised to build along the US-Mexico border would be more an idea than a physical wall. “I have called it a virtual wall. Maybe we will be building a wall over some aspects of it; I don’t know."

Collins also said that Trump's controversial plan to deport roughly 3% of the current US population would be a "rhetorical" exercise rather than a physical deportation.

From The Buffalo News ...

“I call it a rhetorical deportation of 12 million people,” Collins said.He then gestured toward a door in his Capitol Hill office.

“They go out that door, they go in that room, they get their work papers, Social Security number, then they come in that door, and they’ve got legal work status but are not citizens of the United States,” Collins said. “So there was a virtual deportation as they left that door for processing and came in this door.”

Collins added: “We’re not going to put them on a bus, and we’re not going to drive them across the border.”

Collins went on to say that he was sure Trump would deny these plans. But he was nonetheless confident that Trump's bold assertions were merely opening gambits in a long negotiation.

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Would Trump really build his wall? (ALIPAC)

TRUMP: I’LL TRY TO BRING BACK ‘GOOD’ ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ‘RAPIDLY’

Key ally Chris Collins tempers Trump’s controversial campaign promises

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WASHINGTON – The first member of Congress to endorse Donald Trump for president doesn’t envision one of Trump’s main campaign promises – a wall at the Mexican border – ever becoming a reality that stretches from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico.

“I have called it a virtual wall,” Rep. Chris Collins said in an interview with The Buffalo News.

“Maybe we will be building a wall over some aspects of it; I don’t know,” the Clarence Republican said of Trump’s proposed barrier to keep illegal immigrants and drugs from crossing the southern border.

Collins, who has become one of the presumptive GOP nominee’s main media surrogates, also cast doubts on another central Trump campaign promise: the candidate’s vow to deport the nation’s 12 million undocumented immigrants.

“I call it a rhetorical deportation of 12 million people,” Collins said.

He then gestured toward a door in his Capitol Hill office.

“They go out that door, they go in that room, they get their work papers, Social Security number, then they come in that door, and they’ve got legal work status but are not citizens of the United States,” Collins said.

“So there was a virtual deportation as they left that door for processing and came in this door.”

Collins added: “We’re not going to put them on a bus, and we’re not going to drive them across the border.”
After making those comments, Collins said Trump would surely disagree with them.

“I’m not speaking for Donald,” Collins said. “Those were my opinions.”

Collins’ comments came in an interview about the areas of policy disagreement between the New York billionaire businessman and the second-term congressman, who has gone on television dozens of times in recent months to defend the candidate.

Those differences – on immigration and programs such as Medicare, in particular – are vast. And in the interview, Collins brushed those differences away by basically saying he doesn’t look at Trump’s campaign promises as promises. They are, he said, merely the opening offers in a series of policy negotiations.

“Sometimes Donald says some absolutes,” Collins said. “And a CEO saying that means, ‘Challenge me on it. Let’s have a debate on it.’ … That’s Donald’s background. It’s not people hanging on every word, every nuance and saying that you can never modify what you said.”

Protection of beneficiaries
What’s more important, Collins said, is that he thinks Trump has the leadership ability to serve as an effective president.

“I’m comfortable with his judgment as a CEO, and I’m comfortable with his 60,000-foot level vision for America,” Collins said, noting that many of the details in Trump’s proposed policies are yet to be worked out.

On immigration, Collins said, both he and Trump have acknowledged their policy disagreements.

“And yet he still likes my support, and I say it’s a conversation and it’s in its early stages,” Collins said.

“We do need to secure our borders.”

Collins added that he was encouraged that Trump recently said on Fox News Radio that his proposal for a temporary ban on Muslim immigration was “just a suggestion.”

The congressman said that he disagrees with an overall ban on Muslim immigration and that he thinks Trump may have oversimplified his views on the issue to some extent.

“When I hear the word ‘Islam,’ it doesn’t necessarily mean terrorist extremists,” Collins said. “It’s a religion. That’s me, and that’s why I say I don’t agree with the way he has said it.”

Collins said he thinks that what Trump meant to say was that Syrian refugees who are undocumented and who can’t pass an FBI security check because of their lack of documentation should be banned until the FBI director can say they are safe to admit to the United States.

“I disagree with his broad-based ban, but I am comfortable that this is what he really meant,” Collins said.

Similarly, Collins said he was encouraged that a Trump adviser recently said the candidate would consider changes to Social Security and Medicare, even though Trump himself has said he would not agree with any changes that hurt individual beneficiaries.

Collins has long argued that Social Security and Medicare must be reformed in order to remain financially solvent in the long term, and he has been a strong backer of House Speaker Paul D. Ryan’s proposal to turn Medicare, the government’s health care system for the elderly, into a voucher system with much more involvement from the private sector.

Collins continues to back major changes to the programs, and he thinks Trump will, too.

“His focus was ‘I’m not going to hurt people,’ ” Collins said. “And there are ways to do this without hurting people. … What we know is what we’ve got is going to bankrupt us, so we have to make some level of changes.”

Similarly, Collins said he expects Trump to embrace deficit reduction, even though it has not been a central issue for him in the campaign so far.

“Here’s what I think Trump will be doing: He’s going to say we need to balance our budget. To get there, we need fundamental tax reform,” Collins said. “We’ve got to get the country going. We’re going to have to put America first; we’re going to have to talk about tariffs and other things to get jobs back. … Now, let’s convene a working group to talk this through.”

Collins has been especially supportive of Trump’s trade agenda, which includes opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement and the possibility of tariffs on Chinese goods in hopes that this would revive America’s manufacturing base.

Dismissing media criticisms
The congressman, who estimates he has given at least 80 interviews about the Trump campaign since endorsing him in February, frequently defends Trump’s qualifications and dismisses much of the criticism that the candidate has been facing.

And Collins did that again when asked about a Washington Post report that said Trump identified himself as a spokesman of his in phone interviews in the early 1990s.

“The country’s issues are quite significant, and the fact that the press is even bringing something like that up is crazy, and it’s not going to register with anyone,” Collins said.

Similarly, Collins dismissed a New York Times report that criticized Trump’s interactions with women, noting that the first woman quoted in the article has strongly disputed the Times report.

Above all in the interview with The News, Collins portrayed Trump as a president who would make deals for the good of the country – even if they veered from his campaign promises.

Collins said he expected Trump to adjust his positions on the issues as he made the “pivot” from appealing to the Republican base in the primary season to appealing to the full electorate in the fall.

Trump’s likely opponent in the fall election, Democrat Hillary Clinton, has already made clear that she wouldn’t think much of it if Trump started making such moves.

“People say, ‘Well, maybe he doesn’t really mean it,’ ” she said at a rally in Louisville, Ky., last week. “If you are running for and serving as president, you better mean what you say.”

Collins acknowledged that if Trump were to move away from his campaign promises, it’s possible that he could alienate voters who really expect him to build a wall at the Mexican border, who really expect him to deport illegal immigrants and so on.

“I suppose there could be some fallout,” Collins said.

“Let’s say that happens. He’s going to get more votes in the center. We just need him to win.”

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Collins went on to say that he was sure Trump would deny these plans. But he was nonetheless confident that Trump's bold assertions were merely opening gambits in a long negotiation.

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Of course, Trump would deny these plans because your virtual wall and virtual deportation suggestions are falsehoods. Trump will build the wall, Trump will deport illegal aliens. That is the law. As President he is obligated to enforce and execute the laws.

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Originally Posted by Judy

Of course, Trump would deny these plans because your virtual wall and virtual deportation suggestions are falsehoods. Trump will build the wall, Trump will deport illegal aliens. That is the law. As President he is obligated to enforce and execute the laws.

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As our current President, Obama is also obligated to enforce and execute the laws.

If Donald Trump backtracks on his promises to build a wall and deport all illegal immigrants with a deportation force then he will quickly become known as the greatest fraud and conman America has ever seen.

Trump's legacy will become one of a despised liar instead of national hero if Chris Collins's prediction that the Trump wall and deportation pledges are lies is accurate.

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His prediction are totally false. I don't understand why he would say things he knows aren't true and admits in his own words, Trump would deny. It's wacky.

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If Donald Trump backtracks on his promises to build a wall and deport all illegal immigrants with a deportation force then he will quickly become known as the greatest fraud and conman America has ever seen.

Trump's legacy will become one of a despised liar instead of national hero if Chris Collins's prediction that the Trump wall and deportation pledges are lies is accurate.

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Remember, everything with the Donald is negotiable (his words, not mine). I certainly hope he keeps his promises, but I'm still not convinced.

possible - you have to wonder what would happen if within a yr or 2 all illegals would be out. The millions of jobs they have could not be filled quick enough and the tremendous amount of rental properties would be empty. Big mistake letting so many sneak in, giving them jobs, housing etc.

Have to wonder @ the anchor babies too - if birthright citizenship is clarified, would it be retroactive? They are citizens of their parents country so they would have a country to go to but they will fight that tooth and nail - they would not get our superior services, schooling in their mother country. They will have all kind of lawyers fighting for them.

Trump is very much appreciated for his courageous & remarkable speak out of a corrupt system & its consequences but how far can he go considering the majority of politicians are crooked and on board with the open borders, globalists?

The main thing is not to have a Democrat or open borders advocate in the WH after this year - hope for the best outcome.

Texas didn't allow Bush to build the fence that Congress ordered built and funded in 2006 and Texas won't let Trump build a wall because much of the Texas border is the river. Any fence or wall cuts off the people of Texas, and their animals (COWS), from the river and free use of their water. The land right down to the water is owned by people who live there and farm or ranch there on most of the border. The river is also for fishing and boating, which a wall would block.

It would take eminent domain to take that land. And that is very unpopular in Texas and elsewhere in the West.

The cost of the land would be astronomical and the cost of the state and federal lawsuits would be very costly and would be tied up in court for many years.

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. . . The Secure Fence Act of 2006 was passed by Congress and signed by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2006.
The government of Mexico and ministers of several Latin American countries have condemned the plans.[15] Rick Perry, governor of Texas, also expressed his opposition saying that instead of closing the border it should be opened more and through technology support legal and safe migration. . .

@ http://www.alipac.us/f12/what-happened-fence-306742/



http://www.alipac.us/f12/tx-tpwd-rej...uction-118851/


http://www.alipac.us/f12/tx-governme...native-121481/


http://www.alipac.us/f12/tx-supreme-...-fence-150842/


. . . "As a result of the Secure Fence Act passed in 2006, the government built some 650 miles of fence along the 1,954-mile US-Mexico boundary. While 1,254 miles of that border is in Texas, the state has only some 100 miles of fence. . .


@ http://www.alipac.us/f12/keeping-fen...atchin-332522/

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. . . Have to wonder @ the anchor babies too - if birthright citizenship is clarified, would it be retroactive? . . .

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Hopefully some day the Supreme Court will block future Anchor Baby Citizenship but the Supreme Court will never allow any state or federal court to rescind the citizenship that has already been granted to people born here in the past.
It would be great if they did.
But they won't. IMO

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Originally Posted by artist

possible - you have to wonder what would happen if within a yr or 2 all illegals would be out. The millions of jobs they have could not be filled quick enough and the tremendous amount of rental properties would be empty. Big mistake letting so many sneak in, giving them jobs, housing etc.

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But the reality here is that the only people hiring these people are legal immigrants. Legal immigration as it exists now depends on the illegals. The damage we do to the economy is only to the immigrant community that has created the problem in the first place. Remember that most illegals do not speak English. The only people who can hire them are their fellow legal immigrants. Throwing out illegals is not going to create jobs for real citizens. we need to remember that.

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Have to wonder @ the anchor babies too - if birthright citizenship is clarified, would it be retroactive? They are citizens of their parents country so they would have a country to go to but they will fight that tooth and nail - they would not get our superior services, schooling in their mother country. They will have all kind of lawyers fighting for them.

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This is a more serious problem that has to be confronted by confronting the McCarran-Walter Act that makes these arguments plausible and all its heirs.

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Trump is very much appreciated for his courageous & remarkable speak out of a corrupt system & its consequences but how far can he go considering the majority of politicians are crooked and on board with the open borders, globalists?

The main thing is not to have a Democrat or open borders advocate in the WH after this year - hope for the best outcome.

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This is a good question. Can he do it? But we can rest assured that he can't do it alone, he is going to need a lot of support. Getting him in the White House will be the easiest part and that's not guaranteed yet.

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Trump is very much appreciated for his courageous & remarkable speak out of a corrupt system & its consequences but how far can he go considering the majority of politicians are crooked and on board with the open borders, globalists?

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ALL THE WAY! Trump can and will go all the way to end this disaster.

How do I know what Trump really means? He says one thing and then his surrogates tell us what he means and then the Trump supporters here tell us what he really means. I feel like saying "Would the real Trump please stand up"

I do believe that Trump's surrogates are marketing tools. We the people are the market. I am sure Trump is behind this virtual fence and deportation idea. If he let's his surrogate put it out there he finds out if the idea is marketable and if not, well it was his surrogates idea, not his.

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possible - you have to wonder what would happen if within a yr or 2 all illegals would be out. The millions of jobs they have could not be filled quick enough and the tremendous amount of rental properties would be empty. Big mistake letting so many sneak in, giving them jobs, housing etc. . .

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When rental properties are empty the landlord often doesn't have the money to pay the mortgage. People who have invested their retirement money in rental property could lose not only their property but their retirement too.

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. . . and then the Trump supporters here tell us what he really means. . .

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That's the most fun when people who have never meet Trump tell us his innermost thoughts and feelings. They must be psychic, or psycho or something.

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When rental properties are empty the landlord often doesn't have the money to pay the mortgage. People who have invested their retirement money in rental property could lose not only their property but their retirement too.

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No they won't. They'll be renting to Americans with jobs instead of illegal aliens.

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No they won't. They'll be renting to Americans with jobs instead of illegal aliens.

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When you have millions fewer people in the country there will be millions fewer apartments or houses needed to house them.

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Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

When you have millions fewer people in the country there will be millions fewer apartments or houses needed to house them.

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When you have tens of millions of unemployed Americans who can't afford to rent, then you need fewer apartments or houses to rent. But when you have tens of millions of new employed Americans who can afford to rent them, you need more apartments and houses to rent to them.

Furthermore, if you were renting to illegal aliens, then you were aiding and abetting illegal aliens, that's a violation of US immigration law, and I hope you go broke before an American rents the properties.

Texas Rep to Trump: Shove Border Wall ‘Up Your Ass’