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    Angry Trump Voters Plan Protest Over Colorado Delegate Hijacking

    Angry Trump Voters Plan Protest Over Colorado Delegate Hijacking

    By Rob Garver
    April 11, 2016

    Donald Trump and his supporters have warned about the possibility of unrest if he is denied the Republican presidential nomination through a process his voters see as unfair. Trump himself predicted riots at the GOP convention is held in Cleveland this July. Prominent Trump supporter Roger Stone, a Nixon-era dirty tricks specialist, has called for "Days of Rage"-style protests in Cleveland.

    Turns out they may not have to wait that long to see what a crowd of frustrated Trump supporters angry at party officials looks like, as a protest at the Colorado state Republican Party headquarters is being planned for Friday afternoon.

    It has been made clear over the past two weeks that while Trump is good at firing up stadium-sized crowds, his campaign doesn't have the sort of organizational structure necessary to win a protracted state-by-state battle over the selection of delegates to the convention. The problem that presents became obvious over the weekend, when Trump's chief competitor, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, successfully completed his attempt to scoop up every single delegate available in the state of Colorado.

    Colorado has a bit of an odd system. Voters caucus locally to elect representatives to the Congressional district-level and the State-level conventions. Those representatives, in turn, choose delegates to the national convention who are required to say in advance whom they intend to support. So, the average voter never actually casts a vote for an actual candidate.

    The system puts a premium on organization and planning, and over the past weeks, as the Congressional districts voted, and into this weekend's state convention, Team Trump looked incompetent and overwhelmed, while Cruz's people had plainly been preparing for months. That preparation earned their candidate 34 delegates, further trimming Trump's lead.

    But some Colorado voters who support Trump don't see the Cruz team's move as a masterful job of understanding the rules of the game and assembling a team that could win. They see it as cheating. They see it as exploiting a rigged system that allows the party elites to subvert the will of the people.

    On Monday, a YouTube video of an older Colorado voter burning his Republican Party registration went viral after Trump linked to it on Twitter.

    Now, a couple in the Denver suburb of Arvada has launched an organization called Colorado Votes Matter to plan a protest at Party headquarters in Denver on Friday.

    "The Colorado Republican Party shamefully silenced its voters this election season," the group's website says. "We demand that Colorado give the power to vote in the Presidential Primary to the voters. We will exercise our right to assemble and peacefully protest the corruption of the Colorado GOP and disenfranchisement that we the voters have suffered."

    Erin Behrens sounded a little shell-shocked when she picked up the phone on Monday afternoon.

    "We started the organization last night," she said. "It's not exactly a huge group."

    Except that Trump has supporters with somewhat larger megaphones than the bare-bones website and Facebook event page that Behrens and her husband Matt launched.

    We're up on Drudge right now," she said, referring to the popular news aggregation site The Drudge Report, "so my email box is exploding."

    Behrens said she and her husband, both lifelong Republicans, have been angry ever since their local caucus in early March. Despite Trump winning 9 of 16 votes, (Cruz took five and Ben Carson 2) the two delegates sent to the county and state convention, she said, were both Cruz supporters.

    "We had a very upsetting evening," she said. "Even though Trump won our straw poll, we wound up with two Cruz people going to the convention."

    Behrens said she contacted the state GOP office, but no action was taken. The weekend's delegate wrangling at the state convention was the final straw, she said, convincing her and her husband that they needed to take action.

    The event on Friday should be interesting, because it could be a sort of microcosm of what the Republican National Committee can expect at a contested convention in Cleveland. Only, if Trump comes in with the most delegates and loses to someone with a better inside game than he has, the protests won't be organized on the spur of the moment by a couple in Arvada.

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    Has anyone else heard about this? I heard about it from Trump tonight who mentioned the protest during the Hannity Town Hall tonight in Pittsburgh. He wants to figure out how to be there, his schedule may not allow because he's got other events on Friday.
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    Furor, including a death threat, over Colorado caucus has many calling for change to primary system

    By: Megan Schrader
    April 12, 2016 Updated: Today at 8:32 am

    Voters crowd in to check with precinct captains at a Democratic caucus late Tuesday, March 1, 2016, in Denver. Colorado is one of 12 states casting votes for party nominees on Super Tuesday, which offers candidates the chance to garner the biggest single-day delegate haul of the nomination contests. (AP Photo/David Zalubowski)

    DENVER - Many Colorado Democrats and Republicans agree with Donald Trump about one thing: There has to be a better way for Colorado to select its presidential nominee.

    Colorado Republican Party Chairman Steve House has received death threats over the issue.

    And Trump supporters are planning a protest in Colorado this week.

    "Those caucuses this year were chaotic," Gov. John Hickenlooper, a Democrat, said Tuesday. "I realize it's going to cost more money and we have to look at how we are going to pay for that, and those are not inconsequential issues, but I support having an elected primary system."

    Two Democrats in the state House are working on a bill that would move Colorado away from the caucus to a presidential preference primary. A bill has not been introduced, and it may end up being one of the last things lawmakers consider this session.

    Hickenlooper's statement came a day after The Denver Post exposed an error in the immediate reporting of results from the Democrats' March 1 caucus. The impact of the error was negligible - except momentum is everything, and Bernie Sanders would have had a bigger win in Colorado than was reported on Super Tuesday.

    On Saturday, Ted Cruz won all of the state's delegates at the GOP assembly in Colorado Springs. Trump called the system "a rigged, disgusting, dirty system."

    Even Colorado's biggest critics of the system don't go that far, but they certainly want to move away from the caucus.

    "Trump is not completely wrong that our caucus system is flawed," said Daniel Cole, executive director of the El Paso County GOP. "We would be better served by a presidential primary, but that doesn't mean the caucus is rigged or corrupt. The rules have been in place for a long time and applied to all candidates equally."

    There are differences in how Democrats and Republicans in Colorado pick a "winner," but the general concept is the same. Instead of an overall presidential primary election, Colorado's final outcome depends on who shows up to seven congressional district assemblies and the state assembly to cast a final vote for delegates to go to each party's national convention.

    It's a complex system that favors organization and game-day execution. It also tends to favor party favorites, especially on the Democrats' side, where there are 12 superdelegates and nine party leaders who can vote for whomever they please. Republicans have only three such people in Colorado.

    U.S. Sen. Cory Gardner, R-Yuma, said as much on his Twitter account.

    "I've attended CO GOP conventions for years. It requires organization & attn to grassroots to win. Cruz had it. Trump didn't. End of story," Gardner tweeted Monday.

    The anger over Colorado's caucus system is fueled in part by a tweet from the state's GOP account that said, "We did it. #NeverTrump." The Republican Party, including the state factions, is supposed to be neutral in the race. A spokesman for the GOP said the tweet came from unauthorized access to the account and an investigation is underway.

    "Shame on people who think somehow that it is right to threaten me and my family over not liking the outcome of an election," House posted on his Facebook page. House said he'd received 3,000 phone calls "with many being the trashiest stuff you can imagine."

    But leaders from both parties began calling for a change in the presidential nominating system well before things went awry March 1.

    Democrats in some districts had lines out the doors and there wasn't enough time to sign in everyone who showed up. Republicans complained about not having a presidential preference poll and said they felt disenfranchised.

    Republicans held congressional district assemblies on Friday, and the 5th Congressional District meeting ran long, forcing the 2nd Congressional District to meet outside the DoubleTree hotel. Democrats hold their state assembly Saturday in Loveland, and if elected delegates for Sanders don't show up and Hillary Clinton wins more delegates than expected, things could get ugly.

    Displeasure over the system is escalating.

    "Trump has taken it to a new level," said state Rep. Alec Garnett, D-Denver, who is working on the primary bill with Rep. Dominick Moreno, D-Commerce City.

    The bill will move the state to a presidential primary election in 2020, although it will keep the caucus system for state and county races. A similar bill was considered last year in the General Assembly but died. Garnett said that bill could have prevented this "electoral disaster."

    "I don't think costs will prevent Colorado lawmakers from coming together in a bipartisan way to address the concern that we have heard from across the state," Garnett said.

    The bill will likely be introduced next week, he said.

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    "Trump has taken it to a new level," said state Rep. Alec Garnett, D-Denver, who is working on the primary bill with Rep. Dominick Moreno, D-Commerce City.

    The bill will move the state to a presidential primary election in 2020, although it will keep the caucus system for state and county races. A similar bill was considered last year in the General Assembly but died. Garnett said that bill could have prevented this "electoral disaster."
    I think you might need one in 2016.
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    Friday, April 15 at 3:00PM

    The West Steps of the Colorado State Capitol Building
    200 E. Colfax Ave. Denver CO, 80203

    On April 9th, 3,900 Colorado Republicans voted in a closed convention. We believe that the 34 Colorado national delegates selected that day do not accurately represent us.

    We will peacefully assemble outside the Colorado State Capitol Building to make a showing of the vast number of Colorado voters who are not represented by the 34 delegates selected at our recent State Convention.

    We will also organize support for future legislative measures to bring the primary election back to Colorado voters.

    http://www.coloradovotesmatter.org/
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    I was just thinking about something. The claim that "the rules are the rules". Sure. No one disputes that. The issue is whether the rules are fair to both voters and candidates, and we're learning they are not. So it's a good thing to speak out and up about this. But, here's my point on this, this belief in "the rules are the rules" are claims by the Establishment to justify these anti-voter, anti-candidate bizarre rules.

    Well, what about our immigration "rules". Our immigration rules are laws with associated rules and regulations to carry out enforcement of the laws. What about those "rules"? Why are 30 million illegal aliens in the country violating our "rules"? Why do millions come in every year in violation of our "rules"? Why aren't they all deported in accordance with our "rules"?

    Because rules don't really matter to the people claiming "the rules are the rules."

    Throw all these bums out in 2016. The Establishment is easy to be rid of ... just vote them out.

    In fact, I've just come up with another criteria for my 2016 votes .... if you aren't on the Trump Train with an official endorsement that is 100% earnest and believable, I'm not voting for you, and that's all the way down ballot to dog catcher.
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    I agree, If we don't get them out it will be just more of the same. They all need to go so we can have working representative. These professional politicians have become lazy and to busy stuffing their pockets and have forgotten who put them in office. If we break them up and start removing the good ole boys one by one. Our children / Grandchildren might actually have a chance to have a good life. There should not be any career politicians anymore they become to connected and owe to many favors that are not in voters best interest.

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