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    I just ask that everyone look it with an open mind. I realize it is hard to do that if you are looking at it from a religious view.

    Whatever the ethnicity or race of the people living in Palestine - they were living there. That was their home. The Jewish people began coming in with monies from Jewish businesses and Jewish people all over the world. They soon were so plentiful, there were problems. There was resentment - much as there is right now with the illegals. It was Jewish businesses, banks, and wealthy Jewish people that were bankrolling their buying property, etc. In this country, it is some outside influence, but mainly, it's our very own government that has decided we have to finance their lifestyles.

    Believe me, many of the Mexicans believe - the SW belongs to them and all they are doing is 'restoring it to the hands of the Mexican people."

    Oh, yes, lot of parallels.

    Now I'm not sure what difference it makes what people call themselves or what others call them. Does that make one more or less worthy of life and property.

    American Indians are not Indians - they also are not Native Americans. There was someone here before them.

    Just look at the national backgrounds or ancestry of the people in this country. We are a conglomeration of people from all over the globe - yet we are Americans. We are called Americans - a name that a didn't exist a few centuries ago.

    Are we, therefore, 'illegitimate' people.

    Just a thought - not intending to argue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nntrixie View Post
    I just ask that everyone look it with an open mind. I realize it is hard to do that if you are looking at it from a religious view.

    Whatever the ethnicity or race of the people living in Palestine - they were living there. That was their home. The Jewish people began coming in with monies from Jewish businesses and Jewish people all over the world. They soon were so plentiful, there were problems. There was resentment - much as there is right now with the illegals. It was Jewish businesses, banks, and wealthy Jewish people that were bankrolling their buying property, etc. In this country, it is some outside influence, but mainly, it's our very own government that has decided we have to finance their lifestyles.

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    I don't come from a religious point of view. I am simply confronting easily observable facts of history.

    In the territory of Palestine there was nobody there. The few people who were there included Jews who have never been completely eradicated from the area. It was a wasteland until the Jews came back and started building it up again. This was done by Jewish labor, not wealthy donors. Nobody cared about Palestine unless it was to take further steps to eradicate the ancient history of Jews in the area, as in the case of Al Aqsa mosque and the Dome of the Rock built by Muslims on top of the remains of the Jewish temple originally there and destroyed by the Romans.

    It is important to remember this. The Jews are returning to Israel, there are not colonists or settlers. They are returning to the place they came from originally. They had been driven out of their land and exiled and now they have their land back. This is right. They are not displacing or stealing anything from anyone. There has been a lot of fraud and performance carefully posed to make it look like the Jews are the bad guys here, but that's all they are, frauds and performances. Some of the worse frauds are being perpetrated by the Israeli government itself in a desperate effort to placate the antisemitic international forces, like the UN, who treat it not like a country but just another Jewish ghetto, a place to kick Jews around.
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    Please understand, I'm asking/discussing for the sake of trying to understand the mindset that is different from mine.

    There were obviously people there, when the Jews came to Israel - again, both times they came.

    Now as to their returning to Israel and not being colonists or settlers - I see that differently.

    Think of the problems in the world if we just decided anyone who could get backing enough could return to their ancestral homes and when you get plentiful enough, you can rule the country. If the present day inhabitants don't like it, they will be determined to be 'terrorists' or second class.

    As wrong as it was, as horrible as it was, people have been disbursed from most places in the world. We can't change that.

    What we can do is work from where we are - we cannot right the wrongs of the past - we just can't. We can do the best we can to see it doesn't happen again.


    As for the Jewish people doing great things in Israel, no one can deny that, but I can't accept that as reason enough for them to take the country. The Palestinians/whatever were living there. Perhaps the lifestyle was the one they wanted. I understand they did have vineyards, etc., so it must not have been a total wasteland.

    But yes, right now, people with money, power and influence have encouraged and brought people into this country illegally. They have forced us to care for them, they have financed them, they have educated them and they are now making decisions and it will only grow with time. Some of these people do feel the SW belongs to them - they really do and they feel it is their right to come here and take over. Really they do. Some don't, they just want it.

    So, if the Jewish people deserve Israel - then Mexicans deserve huge portions of America - and the "Indians' deserve ALL of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nntrixie View Post
    Please understand, I'm asking/discussing for the sake of trying to understand the mindset that is different from mine.

    There were obviously people there, when the Jews came to Israel - again, both times they came.

    Now as to their returning to Israel and not being colonists or settlers - I see that differently.

    Think of the problems in the world if we just decided anyone who could get backing enough could return to their ancestral homes and when you get plentiful enough, you can rule the country. If the present day inhabitants don't like it, they will be determined to be 'terrorists' or second class.

    As wrong as it was, as horrible as it was, people have been disbursed from most places in the world. We can't change that.

    What we can do is work from where we are - we cannot right the wrongs of the past - we just can't. We can do the best we can to see it doesn't happen again.

    As for the Jewish people doing great things in Israel, no one can deny that, but I can't accept that as reason enough for them to take the country. The Palestinians/whatever were living there. Perhaps the lifestyle was the one they wanted. I understand they did have vineyards, etc., so it must not have been a total wasteland.

    But yes, right now, people with money, power and influence have encouraged and brought people into this country illegally. They have forced us to care for them, they have financed them, they have educated them and they are now making decisions and it will only grow with time. Some of these people do feel the SW belongs to them - they really do and they feel it is their right to come here and take over. Really they do. Some don't, they just want it.

    So, if the Jewish people deserve Israel - then Mexicans deserve huge portions of America - and the "Indians' deserve ALL of it.
    I'm sorry, but you are completely absorbed in a whole sea of false beliefs, false conclusions and misconceptions about history. You say "the Palestinians/whatever were living there." They weren't. There was and is no such thing as "Palestinians/whatever", there were only Muslims living there as a part of Muslim colonization everywhere. Nobody ever, except the Jews returning to Israel ever identified themselves as "Palestinians." This is not trivial to the issue.

    If you cannot distinguish between Mexicans and their claims on the United States, the native Americans and their claim on the New World and the Jewish claims on that little slice of land known as Israel, then you are unqualified to worry about any of these things. You need to dump your worry beads and pick up some references and do a little hard thinking on all these subjects.

    But very basically, leave the Jews alone. Kicking Jews around is an old preoccupation for idle minds with an ax to grind and all the BS about "Jewish power and influence" doesn't have any respectability with anyone with any sense. And if you can't leave the Jews alone, you should know that the Jews are a lot better able to take care of themselves then they once did.

    And they have friends and sympathizers with the same resolve. Tread lightly.
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    Is that last sentence a threat -

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    Quote Originally Posted by nntrixie View Post
    Is that last sentence a threat -
    No, of course not. I am not threatening you, I don't see how you could it interpret it that way. I am not addressing you personally, I don't know or care who you are.

    All I'm saying is that anyone who thinks that it is an easy job to persecute Jews should try to see that the world has changed a lot. The Jews have changed a lot too.

    Just leave the Jews alone, leave Israel alone. The Jews are just trying to mind their own business and so is Israel. Their persecutors are a bigger threat to us than they are to them because they are constantly on guard. They have no choice.
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