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    Wall street journal and economicst PRO illegal immgrants

    Hey William , just thought you should know that both the WSJ and the Economist are in favor of illegal immgration , maybe you could write them an op-ed peice or something ..

    Both publications push for CIR on the grounds that cheap labor benfits our economy ....

    Someone needs to inform them that while BUSSINESS get off easy , it's the rest of society that pays a HIGH price in the form of a "stealth tax " ..

    E.R vists , just a single vist can cost THOUSANDS of dollars ..

    auto insruance rates are higher in states that have lots of illegal immgrants ..

    I wish i knew how much it cost to deliver a baby , because that's another cost to society , then you add in yearly education costs , food stamps etc ...

    By the time you take your normal illegal immgrant making 6-10 dollars and factor in all the different societal expenses , i bet one would be better off just paying americans more to do those jobs ..

    furthermore in the grand scheme of tax paying ,illegal immgrants don't pay anything because they don't make enough ... i wish the 100 K a year crowd would be able to understand that THEY are the ones who end up paying for illegal immgrants through higher taxes ..

    i'm just so sick of the edtioral staff at both papers constantly slaming arizona and those of us who are opposed to illegal immgration as short sighted /racist /natvist etc ..

    just once i'd like to see a reasoned , logical opinion on how illegal immgrants have a definate cost to our society ..

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    Cheap labor is good for WHOSE economy? Certainly not the personal economy of the laborers. When they talk about freedom they aren't talking about YOUR freedom - the freedoms they want to protect are those of the robber barons. I don't get why so many individuals get so riled up about protecting our great "freedoms" when most of us aren't even "free" to get the medical care we need, go to a show, or even have a restaurant dinner.
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    tHE REAL REASON THEY WANT A CONSTANT SUPPLY OF NEW POTENTIAL CITIZENS.

    http://www.viewzone.com/collateralx.html

    Also learn about "dead peasant policies,"
    Restitution to Displaced Citizens First!

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    The WSJ and the Economist have always been open borders. Libertarianism and Classic Liberalism (free market capitalism) has always been very much in favor of open immigration. That is one reason to not have a blind love affair with small government principles. These periodicles are also very much in favor of free trade. They are globalists. Throw those rags in the garbage.
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    Re: Wall street journal and economicst PRO illegal immgrants

    Quote Originally Posted by marquis
    just once i'd like to see a reasoned , logical opinion on how illegal immgrants have a definate cost to our society ..
    Stop reading the WSJ and the Economist, and read Harvard economist George Borjas' work. He is a labor economist who is the most respected name on immigration economics. Even the WSJ admits this. Also Phillip Martin has done excellent work -- another labor economist. Stop reading work from classic liberals and libertarians. They are not our friends. They are our enemies who attempt to thwart us by actually courting us, and telling us that pro-labor is bad.
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    well i've long since stopped reading the WSJ because their content is just lousy ...

    as for the economist , they are the best bar none except for their stance on immgration ...

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    Doesn't Rupert Murdoch own the WSJ?



    The government needs more bodies to borrow against.

    sarum wrote:
    tHE REAL REASON THEY WANT A CONSTANT SUPPLY OF NEW POTENTIAL CITIZENS.

    http://www.viewzone.com/collateralx.html
    You don't own yourself -- the Federal Reserve does.
    by Gary Vey for viewzone

    For a while I have been receiving e-mails from a good friend who has asked me to investigate something weird about the Birth Certificates. He wanted me to take a look at them because they have certain numbers and other things printed on them that need an explanation.

    When I looked at my own Birth Certificate, I noticed it was a copy of the original. So I went through old boxes and baby books that my Mom had saved before she died and found what I was looking for -- my original Birth Certificate. It was brittle and yellowed with decades of age but -- wow -- it was NOT the original!

    What I have learned since is kind of like discovering that you are part of the Matrix. It seems none of us have our original Birth Certificates -- they are all copies. And the copies have a serial number on them, issued on special Bank Bond paper and authorized by "The American Bank Note Company." Huh?

    The truth is stranger than fiction. But here it is




    It seems that back in 1913 the United States was short of cash. World War I had depleted the treasury and there were several really bad financial panics -- in 1907 especially -- so the country needed to print more money than it had as equity to restore confidence in the money supply and get the economy back on its feet.

    When you or I need more money, we use something as collateral and go to a bank for a loan. When a country needs more money it has to go somewhere also. But in 1913 there wasn't anywhere to go. So the US created the Federal Reserve Act. This established a private central bank (The Federal Reserve Bank) that would regulate the amount of money the US government was allowed to borrow and put in circulation. It also would expect to be repaid, like any bank, with interest.

    After only 20 years things went from bad to worse. During Franklin D. Roosevelt's presidency, in 1933, the US was unable to pay its debt. The county was bankrupt. The private banks that made up the Federal Reserve demanded their money and Roosevelt responded. He had to use the only thing left of any value to pay the banks and continue doing business with them -- the citizens of our country. Us!

    Exactly how all this was orchestrated is too lengthy to be addressed here, but this much can be told. The original birth or naturalization record for every U.S. Citizen is on file in the official records in Washington, D.C. (you get to keep a copy!) and the property and assets of every living U.S. Citizen is pledged as collateral for the National Debt!

    Within two weeks and three days each Certificate of Live Birth is to be filed in Washington D.C. Evidence reveals that there is even a Federal Children Department established by the Shepherd/Townsend Act of 1922 under the Department of Commerce that appears to be involved in this process in some way. Every citizen is given a number (the red number on the Birth Certificate) and each live birth is valued at from 650,000 to 750,000 Federal Reserve dollars in collateral from the Fed.

    This kind of makes you feel a little different when you look at Federal Reserve Chairman, Bernanke, doesn't it?

    OK. Let's take a pause to look at the Birth Certificates [below]. You will see the red numbers and you will see the fact that it is, in reality, a "Bank Note." Congratulations -- you and I are commodities!



    Names in "ALL CAPS" on Birth Certificates

    Since the early 1960s, State governments have issued Birth Certificates to "persons" with legal fictional names using "ALL CAPS" names. This is not a lawful record of your physical birth, but rather the acknowledgement of the "birth" of the juristic, all-caps name. It may appear to be your true name, but since no proper name is ever written in all caps (either lawfully or grammatically) it does not identify who you are. The Birth Certificate is the government's self-created document of title for its new property -- you and me! In a way, it makes us a kind of corporation whose company name is the same as our real name, but written in ALL CAPS. This "corporation" then generates taxes and wealth over its lifetime and in this way repays the collateral that Uncle Sam borrowed from the Federal Reserve.

    Remember that "Bond" thing printed on the bottom of the certificate?


    Bond. I a: A usually formal written agreement by which a person undertakes to perform a certain act (as fulfill the obligations of a contract) . . with the condition that failure to perform or abstain will obligate the person . . to pay a sum of money or will result in the forfeiture of money put up by the person or surety. lb: One who acts as a surety. 2: An interest-bearing document giving evidence of a debt issued by a government body or corporation that is sometimes secured by a lien on property and is often designed to take care of a particular financial need. -- Ibid. -- Merriam-Webster Dictionary of Law (1996).
    Banknote. A kind of negotiable instrument, a promissory note made by a bank payable to the bearer on demand, used as money, and in many jurisdictions is legal tender. Along with coins, banknotes make up the cash or bearer forms of all modern money.

    Birth certificates are a form of securities called "warehouse receipts." The items included on a warehouse receipt, as descried at §7-202 of the Uniform Commercial Code, the law which governs commercial paper and transactions, which parallel a birth certificate are:

    the location of the warehouse where the goods are stored...(residence)
    the date of issue of the receipt.....("Date issued")
    the consecutive number of the receipt...(found on back or front of the certificate, usually in red numbers)
    a description of the goods or of the packages containing them...(name, sex, date of birth, etc.)
    the signature of the warehouseman, which may be made by his authorized agent...(municipal clerk or state registrar's signature)
    Birth certificates now appear to at least qualify as "warehouse receipts" under the Uniform Commercial Code. Black's Law Dictionary, 7th ed. defines:
    Warehouse Receipt. "...A warehouse receipt, which is considered a document of title, may be a negotiable instrument and is often used for financing with inventory as security."
    It is not difficult to see that a state-created Birth Certificate, with an ALL CAPS name is a document evidencing debt the moment it is issued.

    Once a state has registered a birth document with the U.S. Department of Commerce, the Department notifies the Treasury Department, which takes out a loan from the Federal Reserve. The Treasury uses the loan to purchase a bond (the Fed holds a purchase money security interest in the bond) from the Department of Commerce, which invests the sale proceeds in the stock or bond market. The Treasury Department then issues Treasury securities in the form of Treasury Bonds, Notes, and Bills using the bonds as surety for the new securities.

    This cycle is based on the future tax revenues of the legal person whose name appears on the Birth Certificate. This also means that the bankrupt, corporate U.S. can guarantee to the purchasers of their securities the lifetime labor and tax revenues of every citizen of the United States/American with a Birth Certificate as collateral for payment. This device is initiated simply by converting the lawful, true name of the child into a legal, juristic name of a person.

    Legally, you are considered to be a slave or indentured servant to the various Federal, State and local governments via your STATE-issued and STATE-created Birth Certificate in the name of your all-caps person. Birth Certificates are issued so that the issuer can claim exclusive title to the legal person created thereby.

    Sleep well, fellow slaves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marquis
    well i've long since stopped reading the WSJ because their content is just lousy ...

    as for the economist , they are the best bar none except for their stance on immgration ...
    Are you a free trader?

    Anyway, I hope you give some thought into checking out George Borjas, Phillip Martin, and other labor oriented economists work. Those two guys are actually against illegal immigration. I started a thread a few weeks ago about an article by Phillip Martin on the Bracero Program and it (Martin's article) was nothing short of brilliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newmexican
    Doesn't Rupert Murdoch own the WSJ?
    It's part of Newscorp, yes. After it was sold by the Bancroft family.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wall_S ... ._purchase
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