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    Trump will win the election and is more popular than Obama in 2008, AI system finds

    Trump will win the election and is more popular than Obama in 2008, AI system finds


    An artificial intelligence (AI) system that correctly predicted the last three U.S. presidential elections puts Republican nominee Donald Trump ahead of Democrat rival Hillary Clinton in the race to the White House.

    MogIA was developed by Sanjiv Rai, the founder of Indian start-up Genic.ai. It takes in 20 million data points from public platforms including Google, Facebook, Twitter and YouTube in the U.S. and then analyzes the information to create predictions.

    The AI system was created in 2004, so it has been getting smarter all the time. It had already correctly predicted the results of the Democrat and Republican Primaries.

    Data such as engagement with tweets or Facebook Live videos have been taken into account. The result is that Trump has overtaken the engagement numbers of Barack Obama's peak in 2008 – the year he came into power – by 25 percent.

    Rai said that his AI system shows that candidate in each election who had leading engagement data ended up winning the elections.

    "If Trump loses, it will defy the data trend for the first time in the last 12 years since Internet engagement began in full earnest," Rai wrote in a report sent to CNBC.
    Currently most national polls put Clinton and the Democrats ahead by a strong margin. Rai said his data shows that Clinton should not get complacent.

    But the entrepreneur admitted that there were limitations to the data in that sentiment around social media posts is difficult for the system to analyze. Just because somebody engages with a Trump tweet, it doesn't mean that they support him. Also there are currently more people on social media than there were in the three previous presidential elections.

    "If you look at the primaries, in the primaries, there were immense amount of negative conversations that happen with regards to Trump. However, when these conversations started picking up pace, in the final days, it meant a huge game opening for Trump and he won the Primaries with a good margin," Rai told CNBC in a phone interview.

    Using social media to predict outcomes of elections has become increasingly popular because of the amount of data available publically. In September, Nick Beauchamp, an assistant professor of political science at Northeastern University, published a paper about his experiment applying AI to more than 100 million tweets in the 2012 election. He found that this closely mirrored the results seen in state-level polling.

    "These results provide not just a tool for generating surveylike data, but also a method for investigating how what people say and think reflects, and perhaps even affects, their vote intentions," Beauchamp said.

    Rai said that his system would be improved by more granular data. He said that If Google was to give him access to the unique internet addresses assigned to each digital device, then he could collect data on exactly what people were thinking. For example, Rai said if someone was searching for a YouTube video on how to vote, then looked for a video on how to vote for Trump, this could give the AI a good idea of the voter's intention. He added that there would be no privacy concerns as these internet addresses would be anonymized.

    "Granularity of data will determine progressively lesser bias despite the weightage of negative or positive conversations," Rai wrote in his report, explaining how to improve the system.

    MogIA is based on Mogli, the child from Rudyard Kipling's novel "Jungle Book". Rai said this is because his AI model learns from the environment.

    "While most algorithms suffer from programmers/developer's biases, MoglA aims at learning from her environment, developing her own rules at the policy layer and develop expert systems without discarding any data," Rai said.



    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/28/donal...tem-finds.html
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    I hope it's right!! I think Rally Attendance and Enthusiasm are as good an indicator as any. But when Professors, like the one who predicts Trump will win, and Algorithms like the one in this story confirm it, the more the better!!!

    GO TRUMP GO!!!

    PROVE THE PROFESSOR AND THE MogAI ALGORITHMS RIGHT, VOTE TRUMP, and watch the CORRUPT MEDIA HEADS EXPLODE ON LIVE TV!!!

    I can't wait until Election Night!!!
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    From what I've heard and read, nearly all these polls oversample DemocRATS, so the poll is totally biased from the start. If you start off with 8% more Dems than Repubs, what do you expect the results to be? Not to mention, many of the polls have sample sizes under 1,000. In college, my statistics professor preached that a poll with a sample size under 1,000 is garbage to begin with.

    If the poll is from a lamestream media source, who we all know are totally leftist-biased, it's pretty much psyops to convince conservatives the election is already over and they shouldn't even bother going to the polls. Just more dirty tricks from the socialist left. Don't believe them. Go and vote. I already did in early voting in my state.
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    EXACTLY!!! To see it, you have to pull up the actual poll, scroll through like 40 pages of crap questions, and then at the bottom it shows you who they polled by various demographics including the political affiliation. I spent the time to do that on ABC's and the USA Today ones once I saw what they were doing. And there it was 12% more Democrats than Republicans when the actual demographic is only 4%. That throws your model off by an amazing 8%. One did 15% more. Then you have other oddities like only calling black Democrats or way more black Democrats than Republicans and Independents, and that throws off not only your totals but the internal Demographic of race, giving Hillary huge leads on the black vote, when I think Trump is going to get a lot of black votes.

    It's sickening what they've tried to do. But they got caught red-handed, and this is fraud against subscribers of cable TV subscribers. They could actually face class action lawsuits for fraud and deceptive trade practices over this type of news fraud to swing a Presidential Election. Americans spend a fortune in time, money and effort on Presidential Elections, when there is money involved, that's trade, and in a federal election, that's governed by the FTC, Federal Trade Commission. Cable TV is also interstate trade and governed by the Federal Trade Commission. Their liability for these evil stupid actions to rig the polls is enormous. And due to the early voting, there is a large number of people who have already voted thinking Trump was a lost cause. That's huge liability against all FEC, FCC and FTC laws and guidelines.
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