Thread: We need more guest workers

All we would have to do is invite the unemployed, or underemployed, overqualified American workers back to their proper level of emplyoyment. Problem solved.

Sounds like someone is salivating for American jobs again. Enough, go home!!!

Originally Posted by Lugundum

"We need more guest workers" is a contemporary version of "We need more slaves".

Employers should pay living wages and should compete for skilled employees as even this is a part of natural competition. I hope no civilized human being will tolerate this little dirty slavery business which lead us back to the Dark Ages destroying our societies. And besides that you prevent underdeveloped countries from improving the quality of life by import of their skilled workers.

And by the way this planet is not inflatable.

You don't understand.
Of course we can raise the wage for our American worker's, but this means we also have to fire other Americans because we can pay 100,000 per year for each worker. But if we cut it down to 50,000, then we can hire 2 workers, which means less unemployment, and 50,000 is a good wage, even if you're living in NY. We hire foreign workers when there is no American available. When we have an open application for two jobs, and there are 3 people that applied - 1 American, 2 foreigners - we have to hire at least one of the foreigners. It's economics.

Well, Sara. if you're family can't afford to pay a decent wage, then you shouldn't be in business. It's people like you who drag our wages down, then complain you can't get enough people. Unemployment may be at 4%, but that's still millions of workers unemployed. You're not going to get any sympathy here. so save it.

Again, the myth of the six figure American salary. Years ago, Washtech.org debunked that. Most of us never made that, most of us would be happy with far less. But the lies obscure this truth about American workers.

Again, you people claim there are enough American workers that need jobs.
That is fiction. look at the statistics, our unemployment rate is lower then that of almost any other country compared to Europe, Japan, Aus, NZ.

Facts, look at the facts.

OK, 'Facts', you say...

Fact 1: The EU, Japan, Aus/NZ approach the problem of 'unemployment' differently than does the US Gov't. For one, they actually count most every person that is unemployed - and, even, underemployed. We do not. Further... The true proportion of the US population (citizens only???) that are unemployed is actually more like 2x the reported rate.
The above is compounded by the fact that the [very ingenious?] US DoL (US Dept. of Labor) sampling / reporting process [conveniently?] often does not count those that have failed to identify themselves as 'unemployed' (eg. do not report / register with their local Employment Office as 'seeking work'). If fact, I have read statistics on the subject that suggest the actual proportion of Americans that become jobless and do register to be approximately 50%-55%. Accordingly, the approximate 2x 'correction' to the official unemployment rate would not appropriate and in line with standard employed in the other of the world's most developed economies.


Fact 2: The number of persons working illegally in the US is about the same total number as the total number of Americans without jobs (eg are 'unemployed'). Do we really need to hire non-citizens when so many go without jobs...???


Fact 3: If 'we' need these workers so very badly... then why is there unemployment among native citizens? Riddle me this, our newly-arrived troll person....

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Originally Posted by BetsyRoss

All we would have to do is invite the unemployed, or underemployed, overqualified American workers back to their proper level of emplyoyment. Problem solved.

Sounds like someone is salivating for American jobs again. Enough, go home!!!

Yeah right, and snap your fingers and we live in an utopia.
I'm studying international business and economics, and you claim to know more than me on this subject ? Americans don't want to do the job because it pays too less ?
wrong, Americans won't do the jobs bc there are hardly unemployed Americans. You should do some research first b4 opening your mouth on the subject. I'm not someone that knows all unemployed Americans, but I do know that statistics show that we are doing a great job.

This individual is obviously a troll from some hostile org. They love to claim that Americans want six figure salaries for low level work but that was never true, not even in the roaring 90s.

The weak $ compared to the Euro increases our export around the globe,

You are not a very bright person are you. The weak dollar causes inflation and with a stagnant economy "Stagflation". So we Americans have to pay more for our goods that are imported to this country from the EU and China

I suggest you do more homework on the subject, because the more you say the less intelligent you seem

I really could care less that your daddy's business is booming and the average citizen of this country has to pay for it by a higher cost of living so you can have cheaper exports.

So the rich gets richer, the poor get's poorer and the middle class is eliminated; no thank you

Your point and counter point is a lost cause

Originally Posted by sara

Again, you people claim there are enough American workers that need jobs.
That is fiction. look at the statistics, our unemployment rate is lower then that of almost any other country compared to Europe, Japan, Aus, NZ.

Facts, look at the facts.
The weak $ compared to the Euro increases our export around the globe,
and we need workers to work in the factories that make the products we are exporting.

Funny that you are mentioning Europe.

Even though there is about 4 million of unemployed people in Germany (nation of 80 millions) business and leftist are calling for more and more immigration.

In the United Kingdom up to one million people have been thrown out of work because they were not cheap enough when competing with foreigners. The UK government statistics have been proved wrong on more than one opportunity ("errors" up to 1000% ).

In France where the corporations are calling for more immigration is the unemployment up to 60% in some areas inhabited by immigrants. France is almost bankrupted because of the welfare payments for them.

As a taxpayer I do not intend to fund the greed of corporations working on my demise as an employee.

For the benefit of all here, our regular posters should know that our new little troll friend here is posting from an IP address/ISP located in ...<drum roll please...> The Netherlands.