We have got to put Iowa behind us and unite to put Romney ahead of McCain. What can we do in the next four days?
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We have got to put Iowa behind us and unite to put Romney ahead of McCain. What can we do in the next four days?
I concur. Un-mask McCain's "Secure the border now, amnesty later" scheme.
I AGREE. NO TIME TO DWELL ON WHAT WE CANT CHANGE. WE HAVE TO MOVE ON TO WHAT WE CAN CHANGE
Moving to Gen Disc
Huckabee smoked us, unfortunately, in Iowa (or at least the evangelicals of Iowa did). Now the main problem in New Hampshire is McCain as Huckabee should slip to third or fourth there.
Any postings against McCain, and to a lesser extent against Huckabee, you can make at any NH website would help. At the newspaper sites listed below, they frequently publish articles, that in some cases can be commented on.
I have a few websites posted below:
NH Newspaper Websites:
http://www.newslink.org/nhnews.html
http://www.50states.com/news/newhamp.htm
http://www.usnpl.com/nhnews.php
NH Forums & Boards:
http://www.topix.com/forum/state/nh
Here's what I've beem posting at the above on McCain:
McCain is not a tax cutter in a party that has made tax cuts one of its most basic tenets for nearly 30 years. Not only did he vote against President George W. Bush’s tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 — cuts that clearly are responsible for the booming economy of the past four-plus years — but just last week he told National Review’s Rich Lowry that he was correct not to vote for those tax cuts.
It’s bad enough that McCain is not a tax cutter, but if you’re concerned at all about illegal immigration, you should slam the door in McCain’s face. Not only was he an advocate and spokesman for the June 2007 Comprehensive Immigration Reform which would have granted amnesty (citizenship) to 20 plus million illegal aliens, he was one of the main architects (along with Ted Kennedy) of the language in this deeply flawed bill. After the bill crashed and burned due to the massive outcry from American citizens, McCain started his spin. He’s so out of touch he actually thinks that the outcry from America was just because of the broken, unsecured borders. So McCain thinks that once (if) the borders are secured, the American people will be amenable to then giving amnesty to the mass millions of illegal aliens here. He’s so tied to providing cheap, unlimited (illegal) labor to business that he’s come up with this rationalization. McCain just doesn’t “get itâ€
It is time to get everyone that is serious about defeating McCain behind Romney. I think that by New Hampshire it will be clear that neither RP or DH can sustain the race. The race will come down to Romney, McCain & Guiliani.
Time to pick a side & move forward.
Romeny may not be perfect, but he is miles better than either of the two others.
The best thing to do is wait for instruction from William. He is the best one to direct us. This is his area of excellence! :)
I'm all for stopping McCain. My goal is not to have him in the top three. If Thompson would wake up, I don't think McCain would be a problem in New Hampshire. But some of the news stations (before Iowa) were suggesting that Thompson may drop out and throw his support to McCain.
I've lost the logic of that one.
I'll wait to hear the strategy. I don't believe going negative is going to work, and it actually could help both Huckabee and McCain. Huckabee seems to excel when it looks as if he's been picked on. McCain likes being the underdog, and many Americans are sick of negative politics.
It's time for these remaining candidates to toot their horns and stop trying to trip other candidates. That dog didn't hunt in Iowa (sorry, I'm a southerner) and may hurt them in later states.
Both Huckabee and McCain are popular with the press. And, not just because their liberal. They're likable. Like it or not, the press is still controlling this process. I hope our candidates can find a way to work it to their benefit.
Pointing out problems with platforms and philosophies of candidates is NOT negative, if stated and presented in the light of exposing their stances on issues and past actions. It's all in how you lay it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ymeoru
Romney did a great job of highlighting Huckabee's record without going nasty.
Clearly Huckabee played the Mormon card every chance he got. Huckster only carried the evangelicals, he lost every other group.
Very true but they are still accusing Romney of going negQuote:
Originally Posted by PatriotDreams
I noticed this morning on Fox that McClown is already starting
on "Romneys picking on me"
I see a difference between pointing out flaws and going nasty neg
but it seems they are trying to take the facts out of the debate
and say you can't highlight your opponents record or your negative
Sort of like saying if you oppose illegal immigration you must be a racist
Iowans voted for a preacher - the rest of America will vote for a president.
Go Mitt!
I think Mitt Romney ran a very positive and uplifting campaign in Iowa. It's the media that framed it in negative terms, and Huckabee ran with it. The best thing Romney could do is stay above the fray. If he does so, Huckabee and McCain will have nothing to work with. They'll have to spend their time defending their questionable records.Quote:
Originally Posted by usanevada
I'm on board for any McCain operation for NH. I hope any NH members here will contribute insights they have into the situation there. That could be helpful in figuring how to direct our efforts since we have so little time.
Pointing out Huckabee's policies is not negative. Huckabee was the one who actually ran the negative campaign by playing the religion card, e.g., his New York Times magazine comments, his "I'm not to use this ad" but then did, etc. He really is a snake oil salesman.
Regarding NH, the MSM will continue to push McCain and not publicize his many flaws.
The NH papers are wildly anti-Romney.
I hope Romney can pull this one out, but even if he doesn't, he has the resources to go well beyond the two small states of Iowa and NH.
Remember, only about 100,000 voters participated in the Iowa GOP caucus, which included a disproportionate number of Evangelicals. Hardly representative.
They are both popular with the press because the press is pro-illegal-----and BOTH McCain and Huckabee were pro-illegal at one time!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ymeoru
Notice how Huckabee never talks about his plans against illegals to the media----because he tries to keep this quiet so the media doesn't shun him like they do most anti-illegal candidates.
Going negative is the ONLY thing that is going to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by ymeoru
It did work in Iowa----as Romney was a LOT further behind Huckabee weeks ago.
The only reason he did not win in Iowa-----is because of the Evangelicals who were voting religion instead of policies/issues.
I agree!!Quote:
Originally Posted by zeezil
Remember how far behind Romney was in Iowa two weeks ago!!
The majority of people in Iowa were voting religion only!!
Okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeezil
Mitt Romeny "pointed out problems and philosophies of candidates stated and presented in the light of exposing their stances on issues and past actions."
Two Possibilities
1) The people he wanted to vote for him considered it NEGATIVE and didn't vote for him.
2) The people didn't consider the ads negative but also didn't consider the ads adequate enough as reasons not to vote for a man he outspent 20-1.
And, before we start complaining about evangelicals again, there were some independents and even republicans that crossed over to vote for a democrat (Obama, Edwards, Clinton or others)
New Hampshire isn't Iowa. Maybe he can pull it out there.
I'm just thinking he may need to make some changes somewhere if he plans to be the president of the United States of America. You can't tell me you weren't thinking the same thing after the results were announced.
You're right. Huckabee didn't say much of anything about his illegal immigration plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bren4824
I think he's hoping he doesn't have to. Whenever we ask, he's simply going to point to Jim Gilchrist and say, "Would he be with me if I wasn't tough on immigration?"
I think old Jim really hurt the bigger movement with that one.
Romney's ads stopped him from losing a lot worse------as he was a LOT further behind Huckabee 2 weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by ymeoru
These people were voting RELIGION and anti-Morman is how they were voting---plain and simple.
I saw the posts about Mormans that they were plastering all over the blog sites in the Des Moines blogs.
Actually......As far as the results...........I thought about this last night.......Maybe we should feel that we won based on the fact that Romney only lost by 9 points.
Welcome to Alipac HiwayTrader. Glad to have you.Quote:
Originally Posted by HiwayTrader
Iowa voted against those in DC now. All the Dems had were DCers. The Repubs two top were non DC position holders now. Michael Barone of Fox News said this morning that the voters voted against the established politicians. I think that is true. America is tired of the old. That is how Mitt and Thompson need to go at it. America has spoken that they are tired of the old and want new people to hear them and work for them.
A Time Magazine report today said Huckabee withstood weeks of "negative" attacks ads from Romney. Typical lazy MSM bias. Romney pointed the many negatives in Huckabee's policies, he didn't implicitly attack Huckabee's religion like Huckabee did to Romney.
And can you imagine if Romney's senior campaign advisor said he wanted to knock Huckabee's teeth out (like Ed Rollins said about Romney)?? The media has basically ignored this extremism from the Huckabee's campaign.
Yep!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Populist
The media are pushing those who are/were pro-illegal!!!
That is why so many papers endorsed McCain as well-----even knowing that McCain will probably lead us into a military confrontation with Iran.
I saw what those people were saying on those blogs----and I posted NUMEROUS articles from different sources about the corruption while Hukcabee was in office------NOTHING was going to change their minds-----as they were voting religion and anti-Morman!!
That's why they need independent ads run with money spent like the swiftboaters that counter the MSM pundits.
We're going to have to force Huckabee to address the issue. His shuck and jive act has to stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by ymeoru
On it. 8) Thanks zeezilQuote:
Originally Posted by zeezil
Plus, the fact that McCain voted YES for social security for illegals-----while voting NO to the tax decreases for US citizens!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogo
Plus, the Keating Five Scandals.
I think you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saki
I think Glenn Beck will when it gets back on the air. He almost died in the hospital. He won't be back until Monday but he is hot on Huckabee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saki
Huckabee and McCain supporters are already at work everywhere.
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbc ... ment-60054
If you post a comment, it doesn't even show up immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta7757
New Hampshire Daily papers
Concord:Monitor and Concord City Guide - http://www.cmonitor.com/
Conway:Sun - http://www.mountwashingtonvalley.com/
Dover:Foster's Democrat - http://www.fosters.com/
Keene:Sentinel - http://www.sentinelsource.com/index.asp
Laconia:Citizen - http://www.citizen.com/
Manchester:Union Leader and Manchester City Guide - http://www.theunionleader.com/
Nashua:Telegraph - http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbc ... ment-60054
Portsmouth:Herald - http://www.seacoastonline.com/
Bren...I noticed your excellent post. :)
Thanks!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta7757
I also posted a comment with the link----pointing out that Hillary, Obama, Guliani, and Huckabee were on Judicial Watches' Most corrupt politicians list----notice that isn't there!!!