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    Lightbulb Illegal Aliens With Home Loans Caused The Recession & Housing Crash In 2008

    I'm Posting This Because I Think Home Owners That Lost Their Homes Due To The 2008 Housing Crash Should Know The Truth Some Obama & The Democrats Don't Create Another Senario That Crashes Our Economy.

    Bill Clinton and Barney Frank were the primary Boneheads that created an enviroment that was doomed for failure and they almost got away with it. It's still not to late for them two boneheads to be punished in some way through the history books so everyone in the future know what idiots they were when they were in office. I'm sure Al Gore, Nasty Pelosi and Harry Reid had their hand is this mess back in the 1990's but Bill & Hillary along with Barney Franks were the main culprits.

    Now Obama is trying to cover their arses by blaming the whole 2008 crash on President Bush and the blame for millions of people losing their homes and going broke is just "NOT" President Bushes Fault. The democrats of the 1990's are to blame and Obama is just carrying on with their plan for socialization of the U.S. since nobody knows who to really blame.

    I now know who to blame and it's Bill & Hillary, Barney Franks and the democratic party of the 1990's including Nasty Pelosi, Harry Reid and the other democratic dunder heads back then and still present in our U.S. congress to this day.

    In my own opinion as to what caused the housing crisis in 2008 is illegal immigration and to many legal immigrants being let into the U.S. coupled with the U.S. government not regulating dangerous sub prime morgages to people that got loans with incomes that were deemed to low by most banks before sub prime morgages were allowed.

    In 1977, Former President Jimmy Carter created the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) to help low income people own their own houses. In 1992, the regulator of Fannie Mae was critically weakened by the actions of Congressional Representative Barney Frank and sub prime morgages started to appear and were very profitable for financial companies. In 1995, President Clinton's administration revised Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) regulation which made home loans available to people that shouldn't have been given loans.

    During the 1989 thru 1995 period systems were to be set up to stop the flow of illegal immigrants across our border and Clinton and congress never did this and millions of illegals started pooring over the southern border and even more so because of the late 1980's amesnesty given to illegals. Nobody said to much about the illegals because china was allowed into the WTO by Clinton and U.S. companies were pumping in products made in china and U.S. companies were making billions of dollars and the companies needed all kinds of employees to keep track of this new found wealth so some of the wealth went to new hires. At this time also the internet was being created and millions of jobs were being created in the new internet selling community ranging from data entry to new computer sales to tech jobs. The economy was booming because of the new internet selling venues like Ebay, Amazon and various private only stores plus low cost goods from china to sell. Nobody gave a hoot about the illegals pooring over the border because people were getting wealthy from cheap chinese goods and the new internet selling venue.

    People started buying houses with the new found 1990's income and millions of low income people purchased houses also because of the lowered loan requirements put in place by Bill Clinton and his democratic lap dogs like Barney Frank. Greedy construction companies started hiring illegal aliens pooring over the border to increase their profit margins and soon whole construction crews were made up of illegal aliens. Other industries started following suit and hiring illegals because nobody was saying anything about the hirings and all the illegals pooring across the border. Everyone was concentrating on cheap junk made in china they could profit from and selling that cheap chinese made junk on the internet worldwide. People were making fortunes.

    While all this money making I mentioned above was going on the financial industry was giving away sub prime morgages away as fast as they could do it making billions of dollars. The government was raking in so much money off all this money making the debt clock stopped under this brewing crisis Bill Clinton was creating.

    All over the internet you can find stories of banks giving these sub prime morgages to illegal aliens. Michell Malkin knew about these home loans to illegals but who has the proof since the bankers were being hush hush about it. Illegal aliens were the ones making plenty of money from drug smuggling and getting hired into jobs U.S. citizens would do at a much lower hourly wage. Everywhere you would see technicians being sent out by repair companies and construction that were illegal. Delivery drivers, skilled office workers, sales people, etc...... would be illegals that were skilled. Banks were making these sub prime loans to all kinds of unskilled illegal workers also that came up with a sizable down payment and few years on the job.

    I've read internet articles stating almost 42% of illegals were being given sub prime home loans from banks. Most of these loans were given to illegals that came in on a tourist visa and after the visa was expired they didn't go home and stayed looking for legal residency. Other loans were given out to illegals walking over the border with fake green cards and fake documents. These loans to illegals were being handed out to any illegal that had a moderate down payment and a couple of years on a job. Vast drug smuggling networks were setup using these sub prime home loans to move drugs and illegal aliens to their destinations.

    President Bush tried to clean up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack because he decided with many of his financial advisors that these types of home loans were bad news. What President Bush didn't realize was that millions of illegals with false documents and expired travel visas were given these sub prime home loans. After 911 happened the public cried out for the removal of the illegals and even though President Bush was going to sign the McCain/Kennedy bill giving amnesty to millions upon millions illegals if it passed he started getting rid of the illegals with workplace raids because of a heavy public demand. As these work place raids happened these illegals that were given sub prime home loans were losing their jobs and stopped payment starting the process of thousands of homes being be put up for sale in all spanish neighborhoods that no one would buy because who wants to live in a neighborhood that was occupied by people that didn't speak english. Illegal aliens were buying up houses just to get legal residency in mostly neighborhoods already with a moderate spanish population. Not even a white liberal supporting illegal immigration would live in an all spanish neighborhood so the houses just sat vacant up for sale and the banks were losing money on these houses. Bush had to continue the work place raids because the public didn't care and all the illegals had to go.

    The democrats didn't even know about all these sub prime home loans that were given to illegals. The democrats just wanted to keep their cheap housekeepers, garderners and money coming in from their investments in companies that used cheap illegal alien labor to profit. Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton went around the country trying to stop the Bush work place raids but that was due to their profit taking from spanish T.V. stations that were being aquired by NBC and the Texas Pacific Group. Telemoudo and Univision were purchased by U.S. entities and they have to have spanish speaking only people in the U.S. to watch these stations so NBC and Texas Pacific Group can profit. The income stream into the pockets of the democrats is not known and probably is a well kept secret but I myself and others know it's there pumping cash into the pockets of Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and many other democrats.

    The democrats had absolutely no idea that they had created an economic condition that was giving home loans to millions of illegals. Nobody knew about the sub prime home loans to illegals except the banks and this may be why wall street was supporting Obama during the 2008 election. Wall Street knew they had millions upon millions of home loans out to illegals and they also knew Obama would keep the illegals since Bush had already started deporting illegals and the banks had thousands of houses piling up on the housing market from the deportations. The housing market and the economy just happened to collaspe 4 months before Obama was going to take the oath of office and President Bush had absolutely no idea why. All these houses piling up on the housing market from the Bush raids were starting to take affect and the banks were losing tons of money. President Bush even after the collaspe kept the raids and deportations going not knowing why the housing market was collasping and the banks were freaking out as vacant houses started to pile up from the raids and all the banks home loans to illegals were going bad.

    The Bush work place raids were going on for a long time and many illegals with home loans knew the work place raids would eventually catch them so illegals started dumping the houses they got home loans on and leaving town before they got deported and this intensified the the bank losses putting even more homes on the market and collasping the banks.

    Many U.S. citizens got hit with higher interest rates as banks tried to recover the millions they were losing on the home loans to illegal aliens. As the interest rates to U.S. citizens rose and became unpayable U.S. citizens started losing their homes also and so many houses were on the market the banks passed the point of no return and bank failures were happening. President Bush and congress passed the tarp bill to save the banks not knowing that the ongoing work place raids deporting illegal aliens was killing the banks Tarp was suppost to save and the interest rates tripling on U.S. citizen home loans were forcing an endless stream of U.S. citizens forclosed homes on the market as well.

    What stopped the endless stream of homes hitting the market was after Obama took the Oath and stopped the Bush work place raids because Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton were crying about it. Remember, Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton were only bitching about the work place raids because of their possible financial investment in spanish media and heaven help it if there were no spanish speaking only people in the U.S. to profit off of. Same with Bloomberg, the mayor of NY city, it's suspected that he to is heavily invested in spanish speaking media for profit. No spanish speaking people, no profit.



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    I agree with most of the comments regarding subprime mortgages and their impact on the financial crash and crisis. However, it is only part of the story.

    1. Yes George W. Bush and other Republicans did complain about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, but they did not try very hard to fix the known problems. They said enough to have sound bites they could use to, hopefully on their part, cover their butts in the future when, as my least favorite Reverend would say, the chickens came home to roost. G.W. was president for 8 years. Nothing was the best he could do?

    2. Not only did sub-prime mortgages take off in the Clinton administration, but so did the concept of derivatives. One of the laws on the books at the time, and it may still be there, required FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS (banks, S&Ls, etc.) to maintain liquid assets on hand to equal the total value of all outstanding loans. The financial institutions did not like this requirement because it froze too much liquid capital that they could otherwise have invested, earning them, potentially, huge profits. So they came up with the derivative scheme whereby they unloaded much of their outstanding loans to NON-FINANCIAL institutions (insurance companies, for example, such as AIG). These non-financial institutions were not required to maintain liquid capital equal to the total value of outstanding loans. So the financial institutions were happy because they now had additional capital to invest. The non-financial institutions were happy because they were now on the road to profits from a new revenue stream. And no one else paid any attention. Not the SEC. Not the bank regulators. Not the committees in Congress who oversee financial institutions. Not the people who came up with the requirement for maintaining the liquid capital as a safety net should there be a large downturn economically or a bursting of credit/mortgage bubble.

    3. The derivative issue is important because, had derivatives never been implemented, financial institutions would have had the liquid assets to ride out the sub prime mortgage debacle without the need for government bailouts. It would have hurt the economy, and loan policies would have been tightened, as they should have been. But we would not have had any where near as severe a crash as we did. Too Big To Fail would not have become the new norm.
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    Cheap labor has been a thorn for free enterprise to find logical conclusions for everyone for a long time. A southern friend of mine was complaining about his wage a few years back. I smiled at hiim and responded, "Cheap labor was abolished for the south when Lincoln abolished slavery. The south replaced it with low wages and sub-standard housing by hiring Mexicans." What could he say, he smiled back and said "We may be from the south but we're not stupid, but yeah, it is what happened." I observed as a high-schooler Mexican labor was being hired from the tip of Texas to at least the peach orchards of Colorado, some 55 years ago.

    I had a similar conversation with a large farmer recently. His defense was that they used to take trucks to Mexico to get them, after harvest take them back in the same trucks. BUT, then our mistake was we stopped taking them back.

    I have a very close friend whose daughter works as a correctional officer in the Texas correctional system. She started complaining about two years ago that Texas was hiring Nigerians as prison guards. When asked how they were getting here TX officials will supply no answers. Most of them do not speak english. She says they are going to cause people too get hurt, if not killed. Today some have been promoted to Sargeants, without adequate english to communicate with their subordinates. Evidence IMO that nothing has changed in 150 years, led by state governments.
    Until American employers pay adequate wage for common people to live, common people will always need low cost food, living expenses, provided by lower wage people living in sub-standard housing. It is so simple!

    History provides the lessons. We, the people, must heed the lessons!

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    Bush did try to fix Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack and introduced a bill to do it but the democrats shot it down. Back then was just like it is now, both parties were at odds with each other and nothing gets fixed and bad laws pass.

    During WW2 when all the male U.S. citizens went into the army to fight the war nobody was available to pick the crops and do the farm work here. The U.S. government let thousands of legal mexicans cross the border to do the farm work. After the war the mexicans were kicked out except for the ones that were already here before WW2. A few years later the mexicans started snicking bad across the border and the farmers would hire them. Over the years more and more snuck over the border and in the 1980's before Regan gave amnesty a few million of them were kicked out again because of Carter screwing up the economy. Then the amnesty was given and after the amnesty during the Clinton years of the 1990's floods of illegals came into the U.S. and until 1996 nobody kicked them out. Hence, the housing crisis occured when Bush did the work place raids.

    Yeah, the derivatives were the home loans being sold off from financial institution to financial intitution for profits. The banks were suppost to have a certain amount of money put away to secure these packages as a safety net against to many forclosures but those requirments were lowered and giving financial intitutions more room to use more money to give more loans and create larger packages of home loans to sell to other financial intitutions.

    The requirements for individuals to get the home loans that purchased the house for them to live in were lowered by Clinton and Barney Franks and banks were giving them away to anyone so the financial intitutions could package thousands of home loans into one monster derivatives package that was not secured against the borrower not paying on the home loan and sell them to other financial intitutions for a huge profit. Then they'd take the newly aquired profits and give home loans to illegals so they could package them up again for sale to other financial intitutions for a greater profit.

    Bush did not know about the home loans to illegals and started the work place raids in I think 1996 and the raids were deporting illegals that got these cheap home loans. The banks had to eat millions in lost revenue due to illegals getting deported. The safety net was not in place that sucured these home loans and the housing market crashed. The lowering of the requirements for the borrower to get the home loan caused the crash. The removal of the safety net on the derivitives against non payment of the home loans wasn't there to save the banks when the housing market started to crash.
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    The way to end illegal immigration and get Obama out of office is to show voters how much illegal immigration is costing them. This article below I posted is a good start. People lost millions upon millions due to home loans to illegals. Illegals getting home loans caused the financial collaspe and millions of voters don't know this. Posting messages about this and other issues that are costing people money due to illegal immigrantion is the way to go.



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    I'm Posting This Because I Think Home Owners That Lost Their Homes Due To The 2008 Housing Crash Should Know The Truth Some Obama & The Democrats Don't Create Another Senario That Crashes Our Economy.

    Bill Clinton and Barney Frank were the primary Boneheads that created an enviroment that was doomed for failure and they almost got away with it. It's still not to late for them two boneheads to be punished in some way through the history books so everyone in the future know what idiots they were when they were in office. I'm sure Al Gore, Nasty Pelosi and Harry Reid had their hand is this mess back in the 1990's but Bill & Hillary along with Barney Franks were the main culprits.

    Now Obama is trying to cover their arses by blaming the whole 2008 crash on President Bush and the blame for millions of people losing their homes and going broke is just "NOT" President Bushes Fault. The democrats of the 1990's are to blame and Obama is just carrying on with their plan for socialization of the U.S. since nobody knows who to really blame.

    I now know who to blame and it's Bill & Hillary, Barney Franks and the democratic party of the 1990's including Nasty Pelosi, Harry Reid and the other democratic dunder heads back then and still present in our U.S. congress to this day.

    In my own opinion as to what caused the housing crisis in 2008 is illegal immigration and to many legal immigrants being let into the U.S. coupled with the U.S. government not regulating dangerous sub prime morgages to people that got loans with incomes that were deemed to low by most banks before sub prime morgages were allowed.

    In 1977, Former President Jimmy Carter created the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) to help low income people own their own houses. In 1992, the regulator of Fannie Mae was critically weakened by the actions of Congressional Representative Barney Frank and sub prime morgages started to appear and were very profitable for financial companies. In 1995, President Clinton's administration revised Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) regulation which made home loans available to people that shouldn't have been given loans.

    During the 1989 thru 1995 period systems were to be set up to stop the flow of illegal immigrants across our border and Clinton and congress never did this and millions of illegals started pooring over the southern border and even more so because of the late 1980's amesnesty given to illegals. Nobody said to much about the illegals because china was allowed into the WTO by Clinton and U.S. companies were pumping in products made in china and U.S. companies were making billions of dollars and the companies needed all kinds of employees to keep track of this new found wealth so some of the wealth went to new hires. At this time also the internet was being created and millions of jobs were being created in the new internet selling community ranging from data entry to new computer sales to tech jobs. The economy was booming because of the new internet selling venues like Ebay, Amazon and various private only stores plus low cost goods from china to sell. Nobody gave a hoot about the illegals pooring over the border because people were getting wealthy from cheap chinese goods and the new internet selling venue.

    People started buying houses with the new found 1990's income and millions of low income people purchased houses also because of the lowered loan requirements put in place by Bill Clinton and his democratic lap dogs like Barney Frank. Greedy construction companies started hiring illegal aliens pooring over the border to increase their profit margins and soon whole construction crews were made up of illegal aliens. Other industries started following suit and hiring illegals because nobody was saying anything about the hirings and all the illegals pooring across the border. Everyone was concentrating on cheap junk made in china they could profit from and selling that cheap chinese made junk on the internet worldwide. People were making fortunes.

    While all this money making I mentioned above was going on the financial industry was giving away sub prime morgages away as fast as they could do it making billions of dollars. The government was raking in so much money off all this money making the debt clock stopped under this brewing crisis Bill Clinton was creating.

    All over the internet you can find stories of banks giving these sub prime morgages to illegal aliens. Michell Malkin knew about these home loans to illegals but who has the proof since the bankers were being hush hush about it. Illegal aliens were the ones making plenty of money from drug smuggling and getting hired into jobs U.S. citizens would do at a much lower hourly wage. Everywhere you would see technicians being sent out by repair companies and construction that were illegal. Delivery drivers, skilled office workers, sales people, etc...... would be illegals that were skilled. Banks were making these sub prime loans to all kinds of unskilled illegal workers also that came up with a sizable down payment and few years on the job.

    I've read internet articles stating almost 42% of illegals were being given sub prime home loans from banks. Most of these loans were given to illegals that came in on a tourist visa and after the visa was expired they didn't go home and stayed looking for legal residency. Other loans were given out to illegals walking over the border with fake green cards and fake documents. These loans to illegals were being handed out to any illegal that had a moderate down payment and a couple of years on a job. Vast drug smuggling networks were setup using these sub prime home loans to move drugs and illegal aliens to their destinations.

    President Bush tried to clean up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack because he decided with many of his financial advisors that these types of home loans were bad news. What President Bush didn't realize was that millions of illegals with false documents and expired travel visas were given these sub prime home loans. After 911 happened the public cried out for the removal of the illegals and even though President Bush was going to sign the McCain/Kennedy bill giving amnesty to millions upon millions illegals if it passed he started getting rid of the illegals with workplace raids because of a heavy public demand. As these work place raids happened these illegals that were given sub prime home loans were losing their jobs and stopped payment starting the process of thousands of homes being be put up for sale in all spanish neighborhoods that no one would buy because who wants to live in a neighborhood that was occupied by people that didn't speak english. Illegal aliens were buying up houses just to get legal residency in mostly neighborhoods already with a moderate spanish population. Not even a white liberal supporting illegal immigration would live in an all spanish neighborhood so the houses just sat vacant up for sale and the banks were losing money on these houses. Bush had to continue the work place raids because the public didn't care and all the illegals had to go.

    The democrats didn't even know about all these sub prime home loans that were given to illegals. The democrats just wanted to keep their cheap housekeepers, garderners and money coming in from their investments in companies that used cheap illegal alien labor to profit. Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton went around the country trying to stop the Bush work place raids but that was due to their profit taking from spanish T.V. stations that were being aquired by NBC and the Texas Pacific Group. Telemoudo and Univision were purchased by U.S. entities and they have to have spanish speaking only people in the U.S. to watch these stations so NBC and Texas Pacific Group can profit. The income stream into the pockets of the democrats is not known and probably is a well kept secret but I myself and others know it's there pumping cash into the pockets of Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and many other democrats.

    The democrats had absolutely no idea that they had created an economic condition that was giving home loans to millions of illegals. Nobody knew about the sub prime home loans to illegals except the banks and this may be why wall street was supporting Obama during the 2008 election. Wall Street knew they had millions upon millions of home loans out to illegals and they also knew Obama would keep the illegals since Bush had already started deporting illegals and the banks had thousands of houses piling up on the housing market from the deportations. The housing market and the economy just happened to collaspe 4 months before Obama was going to take the oath of office and President Bush had absolutely no idea why. All these houses piling up on the housing market from the Bush raids were starting to take affect and the banks were losing tons of money. President Bush even after the collaspe kept the raids and deportations going not knowing why the housing market was collasping and the banks were freaking out as vacant houses started to pile up from the raids and all the banks home loans to illegals were going bad.

    The Bush work place raids were going on for a long time and many illegals with home loans knew the work place raids would eventually catch them so illegals started dumping the houses they got home loans on and leaving town before they got deported and this intensified the the bank losses putting even more homes on the market and collasping the banks.

    Many U.S. citizens got hit with higher interest rates as banks tried to recover the millions they were losing on the home loans to illegal aliens. As the interest rates to U.S. citizens rose and became unpayable U.S. citizens started losing their homes also and so many houses were on the market the banks passed the point of no return and bank failures were happening. President Bush and congress passed the tarp bill to save the banks not knowing that the ongoing work place raids deporting illegal aliens was killing the banks Tarp was suppost to save and the interest rates tripling on U.S. citizen home loans were forcing an endless stream of U.S. citizens forclosed homes on the market as well.

    What stopped the endless stream of homes hitting the market was after Obama took the Oath and stopped the Bush work place raids because Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton were crying about it. Remember, Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton were only bitching about the work place raids because of their possible financial investment in spanish media and heaven help it if there were no spanish speaking only people in the U.S. to profit off of. Same with Bloomberg, the mayor of NY city, it's suspected that he to is heavily invested in spanish speaking media for profit. No spanish speaking people, no profit.



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    Millions of people lost their jobs, homes and lifestyles due to incompetant government officials not doing their jobs. Our democratic government officials only protect and enhance their own incomes by serving the interest of illegal aliens and not U.S. citizens.



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    This issue needs to be known and talked about.



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    The way to end illegal immigration and get Obama out of office is to show voters how much illegal immigration is costing them. This article below I posted is a good start. People lost millions upon millions due to home loans to illegals. Illegals getting home loans caused the financial collaspe and millions of voters don't know this. Posting messages about this and other issues that are costing people money due to illegal immigrantion is the way to go.


    I agree. Too often the media and the politicians try to sell illegal immigration as a social issue, but ignore the fact that it is also a major economic issue, whether it is costing the taxpayers directly for social services, or costing us indirectly via the impact of related economic conditions such as the sub-prime debacle and the lost value of the average home in the resulting crash. Estimates I have seen peg the cost of illegal immigration at 100 to 200 billion dollars per year. However I would bet those estimates do not include the loss of home values due to the sub-prime mortgage disaster, nor do they probably include the cost in revenue and jobs of businesses that have gone belly up because of the resulting recession. If the public, as well as our elected officials, saw a 300 to 400 billion dollar per year price tag for illegal immigration it ought to get their attention and focus their outlook on how to reduce or eliminate that cost.
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    The Estimated count of illegals in the US is based upon how many illegals have housing paid for by the US federal government only. Yes, the US government gives housing to the 12 million illegals they say to be in the US. The 12 million number is how many illegals get federal welfare & assistance. The 12 million number does not include the millions that do not get federal help. The actual illegal alien count in the US could be over 100 million by popular private citizen estimates.

    NOTE: My article many posts below about illegal aliens getting home loans is based upon private lending institutions getting into the game of giving illegals home loans and not getting the home loans through HUD. HUD is taxpayer welfare for illegals. Since illegal aliens have all of our good paying jobs and had the money the private banks and financial intitutions started handing out home loans too. Now we have the federal government giving out welfare home loans and private banks giving out home loans to non welfare illegals that have billions upon billions of dollars they gained from taking our U.S. based jobs.
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