Thread: Where Was Donald Trump During the Immigration Fight? Advocating Amnesty

Originally Posted by MW

I posted the links. You or anyone else is more than welcome to follow the link to the rest of the story. Other than the article about illegal labor, the rest is documented quotes directly from Trump's own mouth, not propaganda but fact.

Actually they're not. They're selected edits from the whole statement taken out of context in incomplete form.

But you like them, you read them! I've already read them, hunted down the whole statement and that hard work has already been done, so I'm not doing it again.

Enjoy Yourself!!

Originally Posted by MW

Oh, my goal is the truth.

And the most worthy goal that is, MW!

Originally Posted by Judy

Donald Trump has never hired illegal aliens. The case in the RedState article was over 30 years ago, involved Polish workers, hired by a contractor, who Trump fired as soon as he found out and he fought the some union lawsuit for pension contributions for almost 20 years.

He spoke against amnesty, he Tweeted against amnesty, Donald Trump has been against illegal immigration and free trade treason for 35 years, i Amblest.

This is NOT TRUE.

Judy, you are missing the most important part of this article, from his own mouth!! I would prefer to think that you are just mistaken and not telling untruths. Do check the sources on this!

Back in 2013, Trump was a big believer in amnesty and in the DREAM program:

On an August day two years ago, Donald Trump was in a much different place: He was just a billionaire with the simple goal of connecting his beauty pageant business with the upcoming Hispanic Heritage Awards.

So at his New York penthouse office atop Trump Tower, he convened a meeting.

Trump ushered in a pair of men — one to talk about the awards and a Democratic strategist who works with nonprofits — and three young DREAMer activists. The DREAMers were on a tour sharing their stories with those less likely to support them, like tea party supporters.
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“You know, the truth is I have a lot of illegals working for me in Miami,” he told them, using the term for undocumented immigrants those in the meeting found offensive. “You know in Miami, my golf course is tended by all these Hispanics — if it wasn’t for them my lawn wouldn’t be the lawn it is; it’s the best lawn,” Pacheco recalled Trump saying.

Trump said he knew the work of undocumented people is what makes his golf courses and hotels great.

But it's okay if you don't believe him, it's okay if you like Cruz better. RedState's founder who wrote the article against Trump is a Cruz supporter. [SO WHAT?!]

Please don't be condescending like I am an idiot or something. As for being a Cruz supporter, I haven't decided who I will vote for in the primary, but it won't be Trump. I will likely support him if he is the nominee, but I still don't trust him and think he will be bad for America, though not as bad as Bernie or Hildabeast would be! AND Trump has been a Hillary supporter in the past--how smart was that?!

I am done here, no more response. Judy, you have no desire to hear anything except what you want to hear, even when presented with evidence to the contrary. My fear is that you are convincing people who don't research as well as you and I to vote for Trump, and this is the only reason I debate you. Of course, thankfully, we can still vote for whomever we want, though usually it is whoever the media is leading the masses to in the general election. I am not telling you not to vote for Trump, just go into it with your eyes wide open and be sure you know as much as possible who and what it is you are voting for.

Originally Posted by Judy

Actually they're not. They're selected edits from the whole statement taken out of context in incomplete form.

But you like them, you read them! I've already read them, hunted down the whole statement and that hard work has already been done, so I'm not doing it again.

Enjoy Yourself!!

There is nothing out of context in the facts I provided. The link is there for anyone to check. The truth is important and everyone is entitled to the facts.

Imblest, here is the original full article from your post, as told by ILLEGAL ALIEN activists, older now, the key guy in law school:

That Time Donald Trump Had A Meeting With DREAMers And Said “You Convinced Me” On Immigration

Two years ago, Trump met with immigration activists who told them their stories and asked for his support on immigration. “You convinced me,” Trump said as the meeting ended.
posted on Aug. 26, 2015, at 7:06 p.m.

Adrian Carrasquillo
Donald Trump with Antonio Tijerino, Estuardo Rodriguez, and DREAMer activists at his office in 2013. Courtesy Estuardo Rodriguez

On an August day two years ago, Donald Trump was in a much different place: He was just a billionaire with the simple goal of connecting his beauty pageant business with the upcoming Hispanic Heritage Awards.

So at his New York penthouse office atop Trump Tower, he convened a meeting.

Trump ushered in a pair of men — one to talk about the awards and a Democratic strategist who works with nonprofits — and three young DREAMer activists. The DREAMers were on a tour sharing their stories with those less likely to support them, like tea party supporters.

Trump, according to four attendees who recounted the meeting to BuzzFeed News, talked about how rich he is (“This is the best view in New York!”), the golf courses he was building around the world, and about each prospective Republican candidate (“What do you think about Jeb Bush?”) and whether Latinos liked them.

Then the DREAMers began telling their life stories.

Jose Machado spoke about how his mom was deported when he was 15 years old. Diego Sanchez talked about how he was trying to go to law school and struggling to come up with ways to pay for it.

Trump alternated between making no sense and broad ignorance on the issue, said Gaby Pacheco, a prominent national activist and the third DREAMer in the meeting.

“Don’t you think someone in a wheelchair is more deserving than you all?” Trump said to silence.

But he also kept asking, “Can’t you just become a citizen if you want to?” No, we can’t, the activists said, there’s no process for that. Trump was reflective, the activists said.

“You know, the truth is I have a lot of illegals working for me in Miami,” he told them, using the term for undocumented immigrants those in the meeting found offensive. “You know in Miami, my golf course is tended by all these Hispanics — if it wasn’t for them my lawn wouldn’t be the lawn it is; it’s the best lawn,” Pacheco recalled Trump saying.

Trump said he knew the work of undocumented people is what makes his golf courses and hotels great.

“At the end of the day, what we’re looking at is a value proposition for America,” Tijerino said to Trump at the end of the meeting, referring to immigration legislation.

“You’ve convinced me,” Trump said to the delight of the activists in the room.

“We all smiled at each other and said, ‘Wow, we did it, we got this guy to change his mind,’” Pacheco said.

Two years later, they see a showman just playing to the crowd. Trump, of course, has spun the Republican field into a debate about immigration that has involved whether the 14th Amendment should be revoked, and if the U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants should be deported.

“This is an entertainer who knows how to appease his audience,” Rodriguez said. “In his office he had an audience that was completely receptive to what he had to say about respecting the drive of these students who are here to change their lives. But once that conversation was done, that conversation was done. There was no follow up.”

Antonio Tijerino, the businessman who spoke about the Hispanic Heritage Awards at the meeting, said Trump’s people didn’t expect him to come with activists in tow — but Trump was “gracious, engaged, warm, and friendly.”

It was very different, Tijerino said from the Trump of 2015, the man whom Tijerino believes provoked the alleged beating of a homeless Hispanic man last week by two white men from Boston who justified the attack by telling police, “Donald Trump was right: All these illegals need to be deported.”

In 2013, though, he was in entertainer mode even as the meeting concluded, cracking jokes with the group about how they needed better ties — and walked them downstairs straight to his gift shop.

Trump declared that they could have whatever they wanted for free.

He gave away a watch, and his daughter’s book. He gave away chocolate. Pacheco scored a perfume; the guys got a bunch of Donald Trump ties.

“Everything said ‘Made in China,’” Pacheco said.

Sanchez, who is 25 and now in law school, cracked up when asked about the ties. He said he was literally wearing one of the three Trump gave him that day.

“Considering what he told us, it’s a complete 360, all he’s doing now is spewing hate,” Sanchez said. “He’s digging himself in a hole even more. He was nice then but now he wants to kick us out of the country.”

Rodriguez, who took a tie and gave it to his dad, said this is what should upset Trump’s supporters: They’re just being used by a showman who knows what to say depending on who he’s talking to.

“That’s what he’s doing now — using his celebrity and getting people starstruck by playing to his audience.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarras...id#.btVBeQN5yj

Since when do we believe the sob stories and tall tales of illegal aliens in articles about a GOP candidate or any other candidate for that matter without a response from the person in the story?

The article is about Trump based on statements by illegal aliens about him, not his own statements, just what they claim he said.

I'm not believing the tall tales or sob stories of any illegal alien amnesty or Dreamer activist planted by pro-illegal immigration activist organizations over Donald Trump or any other American.

And good journalists do not put statements by illegal aliens in quotes as the words of someone else without contacting that person for a comment, response, confirmation or verification. And there is none.