Thread: NumbersUSA Update: June 15, 2007

DEAR FRIENDS,

Apparently 15 Republican Senators who voted NO on cloture on the S. 1348 amnesty bill a week ago have told Senate GOP Leader McConnell (R-Ky.) that they are willing to flip and vote YES next week.

What can you say -- and how -- to these FLIPPIN' FIFTEEN that might "unflip" enough of them to keep the amnesty cloture from getting the necessary 60 votes?

Below are some answers we've picked up from many Senate sources the last couple of days -- as well as from stories that many of you have told us.

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Don't forget to call the local offices of your Senators. Those numbers can be found by clicking here.

We have every reason to believe that the right voices and the right information can still pull a number of the Senators back from supporting S. 1348.

TIP NO. 1: Tell them that the grand compromise of S. 1348 makes Senators accept a huge amnesty in exchange for a promise to end future illegal immigration. But the bill's actual provisions make no promises of lower illegal immigration and set no numerical reduction goals at all.

While most phone calls to Senators recently have stressed the caller's hatred of amnesty, it might be a good idea today to focus on whether the trade-off for the amnesty can work.

There are a number of good reasons to think that many of the Flippin' Fifteen truly believe that, as much as they regret accepting an amnesty, it can be justified because illegal immigration will finally be brought under control.

You need to find every opportunity to tell staffers, Senators and anybody else that the bill is unworkable in fighting illegal immigration. Look at Rosemary Jenks' short summary of the details of S. 1348. (Scroll down to BACKGROUND INFORMATION.)

TIP NO. 2: "Show me the results, not just the money."

Pres. Bush and the chief architects of this giant amnesty for 12-20 million illegal aliens have just now persuaded more than a dozen Republicans to change their votes in part because the President is promising a big increase in spending on enforcement.

But we've seen huge amounts of money spent on enforcement in the past with little result.

Let staffers know that the only thing that counts with you is proof of substantial reductions in future illegal immigration. Even if somebody thinks it a good idea to reward millions of illegal aliens with the right to work and live here, surely it makes sense to withhold any legalization until funding and enforcement efforts have actually resulted in substantial reductions of the illegal population?

TIP NO. 3: Talk facts and details.

Staffers are listening for any details about the bill that show you know what you are talking about. Some of these fence-straddling Senators have been expressing amazement about all the details many voters in their states know about S. 1348.

When Pres. Bush came to their lunch Tuesday, people in the room said his body language and facial expressions showed genuine surprise at the number of Senators who told him that it isn't just the "immigration crazies" who are objecting to the bill. Rather, they said, regular middle class people are expressing their distrust and backing it up with real details from the bill.

TIP NO. 4: Speak calmly.

Staffers' ear drums are ringing from a month of outrage shouted at them through the phones. They're tuning it out now. What gets their attention is a conversational tone from a constituent who sincerely shares a concern. Passion can be expressed calmly. (Always try to think of these staffers as perhaps slightly inexperienced nieces and nephews who could use a litle kindness.)

TIP NO. 5: All "touch back" provisions that require the illegal aliens to leave the country briefly are meaningless to voters concerned about amnesty.

Pro-amnesty leaders use the touch-back provisions to try to fool voters into thinking that the illegal aliens would be allowed to live here permanently in a process no different from anybody else.

In fact, though, the illegal aliens would just be doing the hokey pokey ("put your right foot out / put your right foot in / put your fight foot out / and then you can pretend"). The permanent residence they would be given would be possible only because they broke the law in the first place.

But most importantly, these touch-back provisions so dear to Sen. Hutchinson (R-Texas) have nothing to do with slowing down illegal immigration in the future.

TIP NO. 6: Note to them that Ted Kennedy has already pushed SEVEN amnesties into law. None was followed by a reduction in illegal immigration. Why should anybody believe this one will be?

1. In 1986, Ted Kennedy's blanket amnesty for 2.7 million illegal aliens promised a lot more enforcement but did not set any requirments for actual reductions in illegal immigration. The illegal flow continued.
2. In 1994, Ted Kennedy's Section 245(i) Amnesty gave legal residence and jobs to 578,000 illegal aliens. It was a temporary rolling amnesty primarily for extended family members of immigrants who instead of waiting in line, come on to the country illegally. The illegal flow continued.
3. In 1997, Ted Kennedy's extension of the Section 245(i) rolling amnesty was followed by an increasing flow of illegal immigration.
4. In 1997, Ted Kennedy also won an amnesty for close to one million illegal aliens from Central America. Illegal immigration sped up some more.
5. In 1998, Ted Kennedy won an amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti. The illegal flow continued.
6. In 2000, Ted Kennedy got the so-called Late Amnesty, legalizing another 400,000 illegal aliens who claimed that they missed out on Kennedy's 1986 amnesty. Illegal immigration continued unimpeded.
7. In 2000, Ted Kennedy also won the LIFE Act Amnesty for an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens. It was another reinstatement of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty., an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens. Illegal immigration accelerated.

Now, Ted Kennedy is saying that this amnesty is necessary if we are ever to stop the flow of illegal aliens. Why would any of these Senators believe him when he says this amnesty bill will end illegal immigration with a track record like his?


WHICH ONES OF THESE WILL BE THE FLIPPIN' FIFTEEN?
You may want to put most of your effort into this list. All of the se are vulnerable to changing positions since they were willing to vote for cloture last year on an even worse McCain/Kennedy amnesty bill.

These are the Republican Senators who ended up voting NO on cloture last week. But they were willing to vote YES last year. This shows a vulnerability to flip. Can you stop them?

(Names marked with an * are up for re-election in 2008.)

Bennett (R-UT)
* Cochran (R-MS)
* Coleman (R-MN)
* Collins (R-ME)
* Craig (R-ID)
* Domenici (R-NM)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
* McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
* Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Stevens (R-AK)
* Warner (R-VA)

In addition, Sen. Brownback (R-Kan.) didn't cast a vote last week but he was a strong YES voter for amnesty last year.

The following Senators voted NO on amnesty cloture both last year and last week. But our friends and our lobbying staff believe they need bolstering to keep them from falling for Ted Kennedy's latest amnesty.

Burr (R-N.C.)
Chambliss (R-Ga.)
Ensign (R-Nev.)
Isakson (R-Ga.)
Thune (R-S.D.)

That makes 23 from whom Sen. McConnell can hope to get just 15 votes to pass cloture and the amnesty next week.

Several days of voting on amendments could start as early as next Tuesday.

One of our members wrote to me a little after midnight and noted a quote from Winston Churchill's "Memoirs of the Second World War."

Criticizing the British politicians in the years before WWII, Churchill wrote:

"The left and the right joined forces with fatuity at a terrible price to be paid later."

The American Heritage dictionary (New College Edition) defines "fatuity" as "stupidity conveyed with an air of pride or self-satisfaction."

The followers of Ted Kennedy and George Bush can't stop patting themselves on the back in pride for their grand immigration compromise. But what a price we will all pay if they succeed.

When you call the offices of the above Senators, you will be giving them a chance to escape this great fatuity of our time.



Time to get on the phones today! Time to hit them hard!!!

I already "cut/copy and pasted" parts of that and emailed!

This is a very good post to follow--calls are always most effective.

Capitol Toll Free Numbers:

(800) 862-5530

(877)-851-6437

(866) 220-0044

Originally Posted by olivermyboy

This is a very good post to follow--calls are always most effective.

Capitol Toll Free Numbers:

(800) 862-5530

(877)-851-6437

(866) 220-0044

Are they, and why? I was asking opinions on which are the best ways to contact people, but nobody has spoken up. Would be nice if some old salts from here would help out us greenpeas!

Originally Posted by olivermyboy

This is a very good post to follow--calls are always most effective.

Capitol Toll Free Numbers:

(800) 862-5530

(877)-851-6437

(866) 220-0044

Thanks for the numbers Oliver!

Numbers USA has lobbiests on Capitol Hill fighting against illegal aliens and gathering current info on legislation and Congressional activity. Their administration frequently testifies against illegal aliens and the impact they have on America in hearings before the House and Senate.

They been active for decades and are well-respected. They take a very thoughtful, measured approach to phone calls and if you are a member they will send you updates about your Senators and Representative as well as free faxes tailored to their positions on legislation.

Originally Posted by GoDawgs

Originally Posted by olivermyboy

This is a very good post to follow--calls are always most effective.

Capitol Toll Free Numbers:

(800) 862-5530

(877)-851-6437

(866) 220-0044

Are they, and why? I was asking opinions on which are the best ways to contact people, but nobody has spoken up. Would be nice if some old salts from here would help out us greenpeas!

Why are phone calls the most effective?

We have every reason to believe that the right voices and the right information can still pull a number of the Senators back from supporting S. 1348.

This is very encouraging! Because I was soooo depressed I could hardly get up this morning!

You can believe what numbers says!!!

Next week will be critical, too after Bush unveils his latest "bait and switch"!

Good tips from NumbersUSA as usual.

I just called Sen. Bennett's office. They immediately asked whether I was calling about the immigration bill and then asked if I was "for or against the it?" They are keeping a tally, so get your calls in to this office and others!

GoDawgs wrote:

Why are phone calls the most effective?

Massive numbers of emails and faxes are good, but the chances of having them read & noted are smaller. These are very young staffers for the most part that deal with them in the back of an office somewhere. I don't say they are not important, but calling and actually speaking with a person is harder to write off or ignore.

I think numbers has made a good point about showing that you are knowledgable with details about the bill. The media right now is trying to say that it is the uneducated of the population that are against this bill. Insulting!!!

But, the point is if you can come across as rational and truly concerned about the bad parts of these bills you will be listened to & have your points written down by the aide to pass up the chain. Also, it's good to ask questions such as does your Senator realize that _______ because this is something he might want to consider. Engage them and act respectful.

Trust me I need to take my own advice lately. I've been a madwoman on the phone! But maybe now is time to step back as numbers suggests!