Thread: Why This Former Trump Fan Doesn’t Support Him Anymore

Why This Former Trump Fan Doesn’t Support Him Anymore

John Hawkins| Jan 26, 2016

I understand why people like Donald Trump because I was a big fan of his as well.
I loved the fact that he’s a charismatic, politically incorrect fighter and a successful businessman. I am also genuinely grateful to him for changing the debate on immigration and starting a conversation about Muslim immigration that we should have had a long time ago. I don’t believe a ban on Muslim immigrants would ever pass Congress nor do I think it’s practical (How would you realistically implement it?), but I do think blocking future refugees and immigrants from countries where Al-Qaeda and ISIS hold sway is more doable because of Trump. That’s a little ironic because he was initially in favor of bringing in Syrian refugees, but it’s true. Additionally, after years of being ignored, scorned and poorly represented by Republican leaders in Congress, it’s nice to have a politician who actually goes overboard to pander to conservatives.

Additionally, I find it OFFENSIVE when Trump is called a fascist or people attack his supporters. At the end of the day, to beat Trump you have to convince his supporters to go elsewhere. You don’t do that by insulting people for their choice of candidates.

That being said, the support for Trump reminds me of an old Jeff Foxworthy joke that went something like this.

Kid: Look up in the sky, mama, it's a plane! It’s a plane!
Mother: Oh, look, he knows that! He's just so smart, isn't he?
Jeff Foxworthy: Smart? He's 12 years old!

When you have genuine affection for someone, it’s easy to block out his faults. In Trump’s case, this is being taken to such an extreme that it’s starting to feel like we’re in Jonestown a few days before the Kool-Aid is handed out. Tell me I’m wrong if you like, but even Trump made reference to that when he said,

“And you know what else they say about my people? The polls! They say I have the most loyal people. Did you ever see that? Where I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters. It’s incredible.”
Since when do conservatives engage in this type of blind loyalty towards ANY politician?


Similarly, Donald Trump talks incessantly about polls that are favorable to him, but the polls have alsoconsistently shown that he loses to Hillary Clinton. Worse yet, his favorable/unfavorable ratings are 33/58. That’s the same as Jimmy Carter in early 1980. It’s WORSE than Walter Mondale. Trump even has a higher unfavorable rating with the general public than Nixon AFTER Watergate. It would be easier to rehabilitate Enron’s image than to make Trump President with those poll numbers.

Saying that a candidate with those poll numbers couldn’t win an election without a miracle is something that anyone who knows something about elections would normally agree on. Yet, with Trump, many people seem unfazed. Basically, they think he’s going to use some kind of “Trump magic” that will guarantee a victory.

The problem with that is that successful though Donald Trump may be, he fails all the time. He’s had four bankruptcies. Then there’s Trump steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump the Game, Trump Magazine, Trump Mortgage, Trump Airlines, Trump University, Trump Casinos, the New Jersey Generals and happily, he also lost a lawsuit and was unable to take a widow’s home via eminent domain so he could build a limo parking lot. Trump has been a successful businessman, but an awful lot of investors who put money into his ill-advised projects because they just assumed he’d find a way to win have gotten burned doing business deals with him. Again, barring a miracle, that’s what would happen to all of his supporters if he becomes the GOP nominee in 2016. Many of them don’t see it for the same reason Ron Paul’s fans couldn’t see it in 2012. Sure, Paul had a diehard following that voted for him in Internet polls and showed up at his events, but he alienated too many people to ever win a general election while he was building up his fanbase. Trump has done the same thing, except a little bigger and better.

Getting beyond that, early on, I was willing to give Trump an opportunity to flesh out his policies and prove he’s a conservative. Unfortunately, he never did that and there’s little reason to think that a man who has switched political parties 5 times in his life and has never voted in a Republican primary suddenly became a diehard conservative in his mid-sixties. People who wouldn’t buy this from any other politician are swallowing it hook, line and sinker with Trump even though his positions on some issues have switched from week-to-week.

Keep in mind that the most consistent political position Donald Trump seems to have held over the last 15 years is that we need a full government takeover in healthcare, which incidentally, would be WORSE than Obamacare. Trump was still pushing that less than six months ago, but now says he supports a free market plan. Do you believe him? If so, why?

In 2013, Ted Cruz was leading the fight against Marco Rubio’s gang-of-8 amnesty bill while Trump was talking up amnesty, the Dream Act and comprehensive immigration reform. Nobody with half a brain in his head would believe any other politician claiming to be tough on immigration if he was fighting for amnesty three years ago. So, why believe Trump?

After having read several of his books, I can tell you that Trump has core principles that he believes in personally and in business, but that doesn’t seem to be the case with politics. Since Trump is first and foremost a dealmaker, what makes you think you’d like the deals someone who doesn’t share your principles would cut on your behalf any more than you liked the deals John Boehner made? What makes you think Trump would be any different than another celebrity like Arnold Schwarzenegger who talked a good game and then ended up governing from the left-of-center once he was in office?

Also, as entertaining and successful as Trump may be, he doesn’t have the right temperament to be President. It’s a serious, sober job and even if you like him, you have to admit that he’s crude, mean-spirited, narcissistic, unpredictable and conspiratorial. Would you consider any other candidate who trashed POWs, “I like people that weren't captured,” made fun of the disabled (He’s done this more than once), said he never asked God for forgiveness and keeps making creepy comments about how he’d like to date his daughter, "(Ivanka) does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her?"Even if you’re willing to overlook those comments because you love Trump so much, people who aren’t Trump fans will not give him a pass. That will be doubly true after the Democrats hammer him with a billion dollars’ worth of negative ads that he won’t be able to effectively respond to because even Trump admits that hedoesn’t know how he would finance his campaign in a general election.
Trump also spends an inordinate amount of time insulting people on Twitter. It amazes me that anyone complains about people hammering Trump when these are just some of the comments on his Twitter account over the last three days….

"@Rketeltas: Rubio isn't experienced enough to be Commander in Chief. Rubio is a carbon copy of Obama. We need a true leader Vote Trump"
"@red77angelluis: @realDonaldTrump @NeilTurner_ @YouTube LET'S GET TRUMP!! GO TRUMP!! USA!USA!"
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@Knight276: @C4Constitution trump right again #With_Cruz_you_lose! Nobody supports Canuck Cruz #MakeAmericaGreatAgain #trump2016

"@M0ther0f2kids: @meetthepress @NBCNews @clewandowski Everyone B smart! U know deep down Trump is the ONLY 1 able to best LEAD"
A wonderful article by a writer who truly gets it. I am for the people and the people are for me. #Trump2016…

"@realOllieTaylor: Isn't it time we had a president? Let goofy Glen keep Canada Cruz who can't win. The American people have Trump!"

"@WhiteGenocideTM: @realDonaldTrump Poor Jeb. I could've sworn I saw him outside Trump Tower the other day! "

Trump wants to be the GOP nominee, but he sounds like one of the mean kids running for third grade class President.

Incidentally, the last tweet is from a white supremacist who spends a lot of time raving about Hitler and “Jewmerica.” Despite the fact there were numerous articles criticizing Trump for retweeting a white power nut, he did not take down the tweet. If, let’s say, you’re black or Jewish, ask yourself how comfortable you are with Trump now that he’s knowingly retweeting white supremacists?

Look at all of this and tell me that you trust someone who is this petty, immature and erratic with the responsibility of handling the IRS, the DOJ, the DHS, our military and our nuclear codes. I certainly wouldn’t. It’s fine to say that you don’t trust Sanders or Hillary either, but if even many Republicans don’t think he’s together enough to handle it, why would the American people?

It’s great to be supporting a candidate who you believe is winning, but I think back to the saying, “Play stupid games, get stupid prizes.” The prize for getting Trump to the finish line as our nominee would be losing to whomever the Democrats nominate and then watching helplessly as Obamacare stays in place, all of Obama’s executive orders stand and the Democrats pick four more Supreme Court Justices.

If we nominate Trump, we’ll have our third straight lose/lose election where most conservatives will have a candidate who doesn’t truly represent their views as the GOP nominee. Of course, if Trump is our nominee, I will vote for him and I will try to do what I can to help him win, but it would be easier to ski uphill than to get a wildly unpopular Rockefeller Republican like Trump into the White House.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2016/01/26/why-this-former-trump-fan-doesnt-support-him-anymore-n2109815/page/2

That being said, the support for Trump reminds me of an old Jeff Foxworthy joke that went something like this.

Kid: Look up in the sky, mama, it's a plane! It’s a plane!
Mother: Oh, look, he knows that! He's just so smart, isn't he?
Jeff Foxworthy: Smart? He's 12 years old!

Ha, ha, ha. Yep, certainly been witnessing some of that lately.

John Hawkins

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Career

Hawkins owns the conservative blog Right Wing News,[4] as well as Linkiest [5] and he is co-owner of The Looking Spoon.[6] His columns appear twice a week at Townhall[7] and at PJ Media.[8] He has interviewed Ann Coulter, Donald Rumsfeld, Milton Friedman, Andrew Breitbart and Karl Rove.

Hawkins worked for the Duncan Hunter presidential campaign, 2008, claimed to have been blackballed from the Republican Convention that year for criticizing John McCain[9] and was also the co-founder of "Not Mitt Romney.com" in 2012.[10] Additionally, Hawkins was also on Current TV's first King Con,[11] appeared on the first HuffPoLive live panel[12] and was listed by Alternet as one of the 10 Young Right-Wingers Being Prepped to Take Over the Conservative Movement .[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_H...28columnist%29

Is it fair to blame John Hawkins opinions for costing Republicans 2 Presidential elections with his opposition to McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012? Now going after Trump, our front-runner in 2016?

Someone should check out who is paying him since it's clear from his 7 lines of "career" by age 44, he doesn't have a day job and apparently never has.

John Hawkins is the guy the runs Right Wing News and has recently moved somewhere near me in Raleigh NC.

He put out a hit piece on us attacking our expenditures to salaries ratio about a year ago.

This hit piece on Trump disturbs me a great deal, especially this part...

In 2013, Ted Cruz was leading the fight against Marco Rubio’s gang-of-8 amnesty bill while Trump was talking up amnesty, the Dream Act and comprehensive immigration reform. Nobody with half a brain in his head would believe any other politician claiming to be tough on immigration if he was fighting for amnesty three years ago. So, why believe Trump?

Can some of you help me dig in on this claim because to my knowledge Ive never seen any documentation showing Trump supports "comprehensive immigration reform" or the "Dream Act" and if he had wouldnt either...

A. We would have reviewed that information here at ALIPAC long before now and...

B. Wouldnt other candidates and the media have hit him on this?

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Hawkins Right Wing News Facebook page has 3 million people on it and the comments there are overwhelmingly against Trump!

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialRightWingNews/?fref=ts

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Ted Cruz says this 2-year-old tweet proves that Donald Trump 'SUPPORTS amnesty'

• Colin Campbell

• Jan. 21, 2016, 11:10 AM

AP Photo/Matt Rourke)
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas).


Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on Thursday touted a tweet Donald Trump sent more than two years ago that Cruz said proved his primary rival supports "amnesty."

"Just a minute ago, I tweeted on Twitter a tweet that Donald sent in 2013," Cruz said during a Boston Herald Radio interview.

He was referring to an August 2013 tweet in which the Republican presidential front-runner wrote: "Congress must protect our borders first. Amnesty should be done only if the border is secure and illegal immigration has stopped."

Cruz said on the radio on Thursday that Trump was backing the legislative effort partially led by another presidential candidate, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Florida).

"Now in 2013, I was leading the fight against Marco Rubio's 'Gang of Eight' amnesty plan," Cruz said, referring to an immigration-reform bill that Rubio coauthored. "In the middle of that fight, Donald Trump sent out a tweet supporting amnesty, saying we should adopt amnesty. Now, that's a sharp difference," he added.

Cruz also hit Trump for criticizing Mitt Romney's tone on the illegal-immigration issue during the 2012 Republican presidential nominee's race against President Barack Obama.

"I get that on the presidential campaign he suddenly discovered illegal immigration as a problem," Cruz said of Trump. "But you know back then, when we were actually fighting to stop amnesty, Donald Trump was criticizing Mitt Romney for being too tough on illegal immigration. He thought Mitt Romney needed to be softer on illegal immigration."

This might be a reference to a Newsmax interview in which Trump was quoted panning Romney's "mean-spirited" approach to immigration and criticizing the Republican nominee's "crazy" support for "self-deportation."

On Twitter, Cruz further wrote that Trump's 2013 tweet showed "Trump SUPPORTS amnesty":

Trump, however, was also critical of the concept of amnesty both before and after the August 2013 tweet that Cruz cited.
"Amnesty is suicide for Republicans," Trump wrote in May 2013. He added later that month: "The new amnesty bill is over 1000 pages. It is another monstrosity a la ObamaCare."

In a series of July 2013 tweets, Trump also wrote:
"We should be concerned about the American worker & invest here. Not grant amnesty to illegals or waste $7B in Africa. ....

It's Tuesday. How much money will Karl Rove waste today trying to push amnesty through the House? ...

Why is the @GOP congress focusing on amnesty when so many Americans are unemployed?"

Cruz's jab on Thursday was only the latest in the increasingly hostile back-and-forth attacks between the two candidates. After spending most of last year declining to go after each other, Cruz and Trump have been ripping each other to shreds on the campaign trail as the February 1 caucus in Iowa approaches.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ted-c...y-tweet-2016-1

Sounds to me like Cruz's ad is a lie. Trump's very clear in 2013 he wants the borders secured, illegal immigration stopped, and Americans back to work before any consideration of what to do with illegal aliens already here if there's no President willing to deport them which there certainly hasn't been so far. Trump will be the first President to deport illegal aliens en masse since Eisenhower.

Trump mentions comprehensive policy for immigration:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...rs-amnesty.php

Trump's merit system:

http://thepulse2016.com/joshua-pinho...-legal-status/

Originally Posted by Judy

Sounds to me like Cruz's ad is a lie. Trump's very clear in 2013 he wants the borders secured, illegal immigration stopped, and Americans back to work before any consideration of what to do with illegal aliens already here if there's no President willing to deport them which there certainly hasn't been so far. Trump will be the first President to deport illegal aliens en masse since Eisenhower.

Judy, I know you are a big Trump fan. But please be reasonable here. You know, and I know, and everyone here knows that "Secure the Borders First" is the mantra of the Open Borders pro amnesty lobby.

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