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  • OBAMA'S FIRST AMNESTY ACID TEST FACES PROFOUND RESISTANCE - California poised to grant driver's licenses to young illegal immigrants



    There will be a very profound negative reaction, including from me. Jim Nielsen, R-Gerber, said he is convinced that most Californians do not support issuing driver's licenses to Deferred Action participants.

    California poised to grant driver's licenses to young illegal immigrants

    By Jim Sanders
    Published: Wednesday, Aug. 22

    California is on the verge of allowing hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants to receive driver's licenses for the first time in nearly two decades.

    The key question is how to do it.

    The issue of granting driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants has raged in the Legislature for much of the past decade, without resolution, but fighting is largely moot now due to a new federal policy.

    President Barack Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals gives a select group of undocumented immigrants the right to live and work in the United States for two years without fear of deportation.

    California is laying the groundwork for extending the privilege to driving, too, for an estimated 400,000 immigrants.

    "It appears that young people who receive federal deferrals will be eligible for California driver's licenses," the Department of Motor Vehicles said in a written statement Tuesday.

    "But it remains uncertain whether clarifying legislation or regulations will be necessary," the DMV statement said.

    Gil Duran, spokesman for Gov. Jerry Brown, said the DMV statement reflects the governor's position but that he could not elaborate.

    The glitch is that state regulations allow only certain types of federal immigration documents to support the issuance of a driver's license.

    If President Obama's Deferred Action program provides participants with "new or different immigration documents," then legislation or regulatory clarification may be needed, the DMV said.

    Unless Brown takes a stand against issuing driver's licenses, passage of such legislation appears a sure thing in a Democratic-controlled Legislature that has consistently supported driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants in years past.

    The governor, on the campaign trail, had spoken against changing state law to allow all undocumented immigrants to obtain driver's licenses.

    Deferred Action applies to undocumented immigrants between the ages of 15 and 31, who were brought to America before the age of 16 and have no criminal record. Participants also must be either high school students or graduates who have lived in the United States continuously for five years.

    Assemblyman Gil Cedillo, a Los Angeles Democrat who has pushed for such driver's licenses for more than a decade, said he stands ready to propose whatever legislation is necessary.

    Cedillo said he has nudged state officials for weeks to lift its nearly 20-year ban in response to the Deferred Action program.

    Allowing every California resident to obtain driver's licenses enhances public safety because nobody would be forced into the shadows, driving illegally, often without insurance, he said.

    "It's important to all Californians that we have motorists who are licensed, tested and insured," Cedillo said.

    Besides, it makes no sense to deny a driver's license to undocumented immigrants in Deferred Action who have a legal right to work, attend college and travel in the United States, he said.

    "These are people who are going to be contributing to our economy by seeking work, or pursuing educational goals," said Assemblyman Luis Alejo, D-Watsonville.

    Cedillo said that granting driver's license rights to a select group now could pave the way for expanding such opportunities for more undocumented immigrants in years to come.

    Republican lawmakers turned thumbs down Wednesday on giving such a public benefit to anyone who entered the country illegally, whether they did so as children or not.

    "If they're not here legally, they shouldn't get driver's licenses under any circumstances," said Assemblyman Dan Logue, R-Marysville.

    Assemblyman Jim Nielsen, R-Gerber, said he is convinced that most Californians do not support issuing driver's licenses to Deferred Action participants.

    "There will be a very profound negative reaction, including from me," he said.

    Assemblyman Brian Jones, R-Santee, dismissed the claim that granting driver's licenses to Deferred Action participants would enhance road safety statewide.

    In a state of about 38 million residents, Jones said, the "number of people who would actually qualify for this program, under its current rules, is minuscule."

    Though California's DMV points to the federal Deferred Action program as rationale for lifting its current ban on such licenses, Arizona has demonstrated that states' hands are not tied in the matter.

    Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed an executive order this month directing state agencies not to issue driver's licenses or other public benefits to Deferred Action participants
    This article was originally published in forum thread: California poised to grant driver's licenses to young illegal immigrants started by HAPPY2BME View original post
    Comments 5 Comments
    1. snowyriver's Avatar
      snowyriver -
      Obama is not a citizen of the USA .. his father was a British subject.. he is also... he has never applied for citizenship papers
    1. snowyriver's Avatar
      snowyriver -







      From Wikipedia:

      The Constitution does not explain the meaning of "natural born". On June 18, 1787, Alexander Hamilton submitted to the Convention a sketch of a plan of government. The sketch provided for an executive "Governour" but had no eligibility requirements.
      At the close of the Convention, Hamilton conveyed a paper to James Madison which he said delineated the Constitution which he would have wished to be proposed by the Convention; he had stated its principles in the course of the deliberations. Max Farrand wrote that it "was not submitted to the Convention and has no further value than attaches to the personal opinions of Hamilton". Article IX, section 1 of Hamilton's draft constitution provided:
      "No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States."
      On July 25, 1787, John Jay wrote to George Washington, presiding officer of the Convention:
      Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.
      There is no proof that deliberations took place at the convention on the subject of the letter. While the Committee on Detail originally proposed that the President must be merely a citizen as well as a resident for 21 years, the Committee of Eleven changed "citizen" to "natural born Citizen" without explanation. The Convention accepted the change without further debate.


      The word citizen was capitalized to show a special type of citizen.


      From Vattels "law of nations"


      § 212. Citizens and natives.

      The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.


      All the founders of our constitution owned and had read Vattels Law of Nations, they were so familiar with it that they didnt feel any explanation of the term natural born Citizen be explained.


      Now read the above thoroughly and then tell me where does Obama fit, eligible or not eligible?



    1. JohnDoe2's Avatar
      JohnDoe2 -
      Even in some states that have passed strong anti-illegal immigration laws, such as Georgia, driver's licenses may be available to undocumented immigrants who qualify under the new policy.

      Under current Georgia law, people with deferred status can get a license, and that's what the state will do unless it gets different orders, said Susan Sports, spokeswoman for the state's Department of Driver Services.
      Driver's license rules fuel new immigration debate
    1. JohnDoe2's Avatar
      JohnDoe2 -
      CA. The DMV announced earlier this month it would issue driver's licenses to people who receive a work permit under the new program. In a statement to the North County Times Wednesday, the DMV backtracked, saying it was not clear what documents the federal government would give people and whether those documents met state regulations to issue the licenses.

      @ Obama work program for young illegal aliens poses problems for workers, employers
    1. JohnDoe2's Avatar
      JohnDoe2 -
      Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah and Washington do not require drivers to provide citizenship or legal documentation to obtain a drivers license.

      CA. Rep. Hunter: no drivers licenses for illegal aliens