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    !Bad AZ politicians trying to "fix" employer sanct

    See the article below!
    This needs to be stopped!
    The people need to know it is happening!

    Tweaks to sanctions law suggested
    Mary Jo Pitzl
    The Arizona Republic
    Jan. 18, 2008 12:00 AM
    The employer-sanctions law has been in force for a mere two weeks, but a number of changes have already been proposed for the hotly debated measure.
    Many address issues identified by a business task force that House Speaker Jim Weiers assembled last fall. Others speak to problems identified by Gov. Janet Napolitano and the federal judge considering a challenge to the law.
    On Thursday, the first fix won unanimous approval from the House Homeland Security and Property Rights Committee.
    House Bill 2063 corrects a reference to a federal law on immigration-related employment. The bill signed into law in July had the wrong citation. Meatier proposals are waiting in the wings.
    Led by Rep. Bill Konopnicki, R-Safford, and Rep. Theresa Ulmer, D-Yuma, the package of six bills attempts to address problems identified in recent months, such as whether the law applies to all employees or just new hires.
    "Overall, people want a logical, unemotional, reasonable fix," said Konopnicki, who voted for the sanctions bill last year but later said he regretted his vote.
    The owner of several McDonald's restaurants, Konopnicki said he's experienced firsthand the cost of complying with the law, which requires employers to screen new hires against a federal database that checks the validity of a hire's Social Security number and eligibility to work in the U.S.
    Konopnicki said he has had to hire a full-time person to run these checks through the E-Verify system because his business has high turnover. He has also hired a part-time person to review earlier hiring documents.
    He said he has also heard from many small businesses in his rural district that worry the law could harm them. If an employer is found to have knowingly hired an illegal worker, his state-issued business licenses are at risk: probation or a suspension of up to 10 days for a first offense, revocation of the license for a second offense.
    Ulmer said the bills mirror many of the concerns she's heard from businesses, primarily farmers, in her border district in southwestern Arizona. Her main concern is the ambiguity of the law's scope: Does it apply to all workers on a payroll or only to new hires?
    House Bill 2346 would change the law to make it clear that it pertains only to new hires.
    Other bills, which have yet to be scheduled for a hearing:
    • HB 2341 would make use of the E-Verify system optional, instead of mandatory.
    • HB 2342 would clarify that independent contractors are not employees and therefore not subject to the terms of the sanctions law.
    • HB 2343 would bar anonymous complaints, require that complaints be made in writing and contain the full name of the complainant, as well as an address. It also would specifically bar discrimination as a motivation for lodging a complaint.
    • HB 2344 would change the definition of "knowingly" hiring an illegal worker to mean the employer must have "actual or constructive knowledge that the person is an unauthorized alien." It also establishes "beyond a reasonable doubt" as the standard of proof that prosecutors must demonstrate to successfully prosecute an employer.
    • HB 2345 would take the state attorney general out of the process. Ulmer said that office has limited authority under the current law, and it would be a cost-saving and efficiency move to simply remove him.

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    girlengineer - welcome aboard!

    Wow, I have to admit, I'm not at all surprised to hear of this...
    Go AZ go - enforce those laws!
    "If my family wasn’t safe, what makes you think yours will be?"
    -Danielle Bologna (whose husband and sons were murdered by felon, gang member, illegal alien, Salvadoran Edwin Ramos)

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    Another related story from today's East Valley Tribune:


    Howard Fischer, Capitol Media Services
    Some state lawmakers who backed Arizona’s new employer sanctions law last year are now pushing to dilute some of its provisions.

    Rep. Bill Konopnicki, R-Safford, prime sponsor of the effort, wants the statute altered so that a company cannot lose its license to do business for having an undocumented worker on the payroll if that person was already on the payroll before the law took effect Jan. 1. He said it’s not fair to punish employers that had no way to verify the legal status of workers since companies had the opportunity to check the legal status of new workers through the federal government’s E-Verify database program.

    But that’s not all.

    He wants to require prosecutors to prove “regular, repeated and intentional actions
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    I noticed there was no link included with the post and went to search the source for the correct one but couldn't find it. Anybody familiar with The AZ Republic able to chase that down and post it here?

    If not, I'll have to pull that post.

    Thanks.
    "If my family wasn’t safe, what makes you think yours will be?"
    -Danielle Bologna (whose husband and sons were murdered by felon, gang member, illegal alien, Salvadoran Edwin Ramos)

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    Here's the link to the above article:
    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/ ... s0118.html
    We have immigration laws that just need to be enforced.

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    Well another one step forward and two steps back...raise hell AZ, don't let them get away with this.
    AUT*AGERE*AUT*MORI (EITHER ACTION OR DEATH)

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    The owner of several McDonald's restaurants, Konopnicki said he's experienced firsthand the cost of complying with the law, which requires employers to screen new hires against a federal database that checks the validity of a hire's Social Security number and eligibility to work in the U.S.
    Rep Bill Konopnicki clearly has a conflict of interest over this bill. He should either resign or remove himself from speaking or voting about this issue. He was elected to serve the interests of the voters, not self-serve.

    • HB 2343 would bar anonymous complaints, require that complaints be made in writing and contain the full name of the complainant, as well as an address. It also would specifically bar discrimination as a motivation for lodging a complaint.
    If they operate any type of anonymous 'crime tip hotline', they would be discriminiating between types of crime that can be reported anonymously if HB 2343 is passed.


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    "Distrust and caution are the parents of security."
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    Hey - a fellow girl engineer!! Welcome! What kind of engineering? Mine is materials science. You'll find smart people here who "get it" - glad to have you on board.

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    girlengineer,

    Welcome aboard !

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    Got this off of http://www.deadfacts.com
    HB 2342 would clarify that independent contractors are not employees and therefore not subject to the terms of the sanctions law.
    Most illegals and labor centers using illegals do not qualify as independent contractors. This Bill should NOT PASS!
    This Bill if Passed would create an endless number of cases for the Registrar of Contractors!
    Example: A stucco contractor working on a house or commercial building hires 10 stucco workers and declares that they are not employees.
    These 10 workers and the stucco contractor would all be in violation of state law UNLESS all 10 workers had Registrar of Contractors licenses for stucco work.
    The law Prohibits "unlicensed" contractors to perform work on any project with a total value over $1000.
    Considering the Construction industry in Arizona is the biggest employer of illegal aliens, thousands of investigations would be launched for the Registrar to deal with!

    For Arizona Member Roster Email and Phone Numbers! go here:
    http://www.azleg.gov/MemberRoster.asp
    Call, email, write letters before the Employer Sanctions Law is Destroyed![/url]

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