Thread: Employers shun service to weed out illegal hires

I thought this article worthy of being brought up again. Employers ought to be forced to use this program.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=44726

Employers shun service to weed out illegal hires
Web-based program accesses databases, IDs phony documents 'within a minute'
Posted: June 11, 2005
5:00 p.m. Eastern


© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

An 8-year-old federal program that permits employers to use the Internet to instantly verify prospective hires' legal eligibility to work in the U.S. is being used by less that 1/10 of 1 percent of the nation's companies because it is voluntary, under-publicized and puts its users at a competitive disadvantage to firms who continue to hire illegal workers.

The Basic Employment Verification Pilot Program, first begun in 1997 in California, Florida, Illinois, Texas and New York, because of their high numbers of illegal aliens, was extended last year through 2008 and expanded to all 50 states. The free and voluntary program lets employers register online and, after self-training with a brief tutorial, input information on newly-hired employees that is quickly verified by checks against databases at the Social Security Administration and Department of Homeland Security.

Since 1986, when Congress made it illegal for companies to knowingly hire undocumented workers, employers have been caught in a Catch-22 – not knowing with certainty if the documents provided by the employee were genuine and not wanting to be sued for discrimination in hiring. The employment verification program was designed to fill that gap, and, according to the minority of employers using it, it does the job well.


"I have an answer back within a minute," Martin Thompson, vice president for human resources at Bar-S Foods Co., a Phoenix-based meat-processing firm told the Arizona Republic. The company has been able to participate in the program since 1998 because some of its 1,500 employees are in California and Texas.

Increasingly, the debate over immigration is raising the role employers play by providing the jobs to illegals. As reported by WorldNetDaily, the Minuteman Project is expanding its activities to include monitoring of employers who hire undocumented workers.

Last week, anti-illegal immigration demonstrators turned out in Tennessee calling for $25,000 fines against employers who willingly hire illegals.

"We have become a magnet for illegal aliens," said radio talk show host Phil Valentine who spearheaded the turnout. "We're wanting to demagnetize Tennessee, (but) it's all about passing comprehensive laws on a state level so we don't attract illegal aliens anymore. If we cut off the reason of them coming, they'll stop coming. We can talk about deporting and arresting, but until you address why they're coming, you're never going to solve the problem."

Because the law only requires employers to check documents, but not determine their authenticity, illegals have continued to be hired using fraudulent papers – and employers have been able to plead ignorance.

According to the Pew Hispanic Center, there were 7 million undocumented workers in the U.S. last year – 55 percent of whom were hired using documents with fabricated or stolen Social Security numbers, according to the Center for Immigration Studies.

The government's web-based employment verification program could seriously reduce those numbers, say those who want the program mandatory.

"If it's applied to everyone, all the businesses would be on an even playing field," says Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington, D.C., research organization that favors tighter limits on immigration.

"That's the real problem with this," adds Thompson, of Bar-S. "If a person is illegal and doesn't have the proper documents, then they just go down the road to the next employer."

Nationally, only 4,385 companies of the 5.7 million counted by the U.S. Census are using the program, says Chris Bentley, spokesman for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services – less that 1/10 of 1 percent of all employers.

According to Denver immigration lawyer Ann Allott, there haven't been many incentives for employers to use the voluntary system. The law only lets the IRS fine companies up to $400 per year for each employee whose name doesn't match his or her social security number. Only businesses where more than 10 percent of the work force has discrepancies between names and numbers are contacted by Social Security. Follow up is even more spotty, Allott told the Denver Post.

In Arizona, the number of businesses fined for immigration violations dropped from 909 to 124 between 1995 and 2003, despite the rising influx of illegal aliens.

One Denver corporation that runs a group of restaurants found the motivation to begin using the employment verification program after one of its employees – an illegal alien – killed a policeman last month. The business, partly owned by Denver's mayor had received notice last year of 107 people working in its restaurants – roughly 1 in 7 employees – with Social Security numbers that didn't match their names.

Despite the competitive disadvantage, Bar-S intends to keep verifying documents, if only to avoid potentially costly audits by federal immigration inspectors. Already, word of the company's use of the program has spread, with fewer illegal workers applying for employment.

"Less than 8 percent of the time we will find someone where the computer kicks them back," says Thompson. That's a reduction from the 30 percent Bar-S was seeing in 1998 when it first started the program.

But if others decide to join Bar-S, the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services may not be ready. On its website, the agency warns: "If significantly more employers than anticipated choose to participate in the Basic Pilot Program, USCIS may have to limit the number of participants."

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If unscrupulous employers aren't FORCED BY THREAT OF FINE AND JAIL TIME to verify legal status of employees, they'll keep up their illegal hiring practices and then plead ignorance whenever caught. Hopefully this charade will soon come to an end.

yes this is a good one to bump

Check this out from the same page

OTHER AGENCY SAVE PARTICIPANTS

While IRCA, as amended, only mandates selected programs to participate in SAVE, any Federal, state, or local benefit-granting authority or licensing bureau that requires verification of an applicant's/recipient's immigration status may apply for participation in the SAVE Program. The following are examples of agencies that presently participate in the SAVE Program with respect to non-mandated programs:

Department of Defense Manpower Data Center
Social Security Administration (SSA)
Driver's Licensing Agencies in Arkansas, California, Florida, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Missouri, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, South Dakota, Virginia, and Wyoming
Mohegan Tribal Gaming Commission
City of New York Human Resources Administration
Palm Beach County Property Appraiser
Transportation Security Administration, HAZMAT Program
Office of Personnel Management
Federal Protective Service

STATUS VERIFICATION PROCESS

Verification Information System (VIS), Customer Processing System (CPS)

The SAVE Program has reengineered the way it delivers immigration status verification information to Federal, state, and local benefit issuing agencies and licensing bureaus. This allows the user to make faster benefit eligibility determinations, which can result in cost savings to the Government and better service

They already have a system in place to verify identity of people wanting drivers’ licenses. The REAL ID is a national ID CARD. No doubt about it.

The system is in place for employers to verify the identities of those applying for work. They have several options to do this on the web as well as manually. There is no excuse for anyone to hire an illegal alien. This tool ought to be made mandatory to use and the REAL ID ACT ought to be repealed.

I'll second you on that ! and I might add - that was a mighty short list of agencies that are using this tool

Of COURSE, they don't want to use it. They would RATHER be IGNORANT. MUCH CHEAPER for them. You have it right, had_enuf--they are going to have to be FORCED to use it. They will NEVER willingly use the system because then they would risk losing their cheap labor.

Originally Posted by Bootsie

Of COURSE, they don't want to use it. They would RATHER be IGNORANT. MUCH CHEAPER for them. You have it right, had_enuf--they are going to have to be FORCED to use it. They will NEVER willingly use the system because then they would risk losing their cheap labor.

Yes, G-d forbid they lose their cheap labor. Whatever would they do?

Just a real pity, huh?

Welcome to ALIPAC, StephS!

They will NEVER willingly use the system because then they would risk losing their cheap labor.

Nope, employers won't use the system until they see somebody caught, prosecuted, fined and serve jail time. They'll have to be shown this ain't a bluff.

Then they'll get on with the program.

StephS,
welcome to the world of ALIPAC.