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    Giuliani: Christie Inspired Trump's Pivot on Immigration


    Giuliani: Christie Inspired Trump's Pivot on Immigration

    Friday, August 26, 2016 01:44 PM




    By: Mark Swanson



    Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani told a media outlet that Chris Christie was an influential force behind Donald Trump's pivot this week to a more humane approach to dealing with illegal immigrants living in the country.


    "The answer to that question is yes," Giuliani told NJ Advance Media when asked if the former New Jersey governor was responsible for Trump softening his stance on illegals.



    Trump's about-face on working with — rather than deporting — an estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants came after policy meetings with his inner circle, led by Christie, that encouraged a more moderate tone, according to NJ.com. Trump this week said he'd work with the "great ones" on a plan that included paying back taxes.



    "Either position that he takes, he can get elected," Giuliani told NJ.com. "Nobody at the rallies is terribly concerned about the number of illegals who are not committing crimes. Their big concern is the wall. I would consider that the core promise that he made."



    Further, Giuliani said other Christie-inspired immigration policies are on the way, including tracking visas like packages and using the Department of Homeland Security's system E-Verify to reduce illegal labor.



    Christie "is of great value to him," Giuliani said, referring to Trump.


    http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/rudy.../26/id/745378/
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    Rudy Giuliani and Chris Christie are incorrect if they believe Americans at the rallies or elsewhere do not care about the presence of tens of millions of illegal aliens who are not "criminals". It is not only a wall, we do not want foreign citizens who have broken our laws and hurt us by their presence in our country to be rewarded.
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    Christie "is of great value to him," Giuliani said, referring to Trump.
    Looks like that notorious illegal alien amnesty backer Chris Christie is about to sink the Trump campaign.

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    Christie may have been promoting this idea, but the FACT remains that it was not Trump who said anything about a shift or change in immigration policy. It was Univision on Saturday following the meeting with the Hispanic Advisory Council based on misinterpreted or false reports from 3 sources. Everyone on the Council denies telling Univision anything of the sort. Then the next day when the flap over the Univision report hits the other MEDIA, Kellyanne Conway goes on State of Union and refuses to answer the question twice and then says in response to a shift in immigration policy, "to be determined". The next morning on Monday, Trump himself calls in to Fox and Friends and late that day goes on O'Reilly to clarify that there has been NO CHANGE in his immigration policy, that he is not flip-flopping, yet Kellyanne continues interviews all week contradicting Trump himself.

    Trump himself has said ALL WEEK in numerous interviews and on Twitter and in speeches, there is no change in his immigration policy. He has said that he's listening to people on the subject and will issue a more detailed plan next week.

    If Christie started the discussion of possible softening, that's bad and he needs to sit down and shut up. HOWEVER, the MEDIA FLAP started and has continued because of how Kellyanne Conway handled HER OWN INTERVIEWS.

    It's a nightmare what she has done to this campaign. I personally think the damage is irreparable at this point, because of the MEDIA PILE ON on all week, all week, and it will continue for the rest of the campaign that Trump is a fraud, a con man, a flip-flopper, etc., etc., etc. when IN FACT he hasn't flip-flopped on a damn thing so far.

    The same thing happened to Barry Goldwater who voted against the US Civil Rights Act of 1964, because he was advised by a constitutional scholar that as written the business service section would be overturned by the US Supreme Court as other civil rights acts had been previously. That is why Goldwater voted against it. Goldwater didn't vote against it because he opposed the Civil Rights Act. Goldwater was a civil rights activist. He had integrated his family's furniture store in Phoenix, the first business to do so, he ended segregation in the Phoenix Public School System long before it was popular to do so, and he also integrated the Arizona National Guard. No other candidate for President at that point had such a long and successful history of civil rights for black Americans than Barry Goldwater. He had done far more for black Americans than Lyndon Johnson, for example. The act had already passed, it was past history at the time of the election, but the flap over it cost Goldwater the Presidency, and many Republicans turned on him over it, without valid reason. Not everyone is going to agree on all legislation, Goldwater thought the bill needed to be amended to pass constitutional muster, he's entitled to that opinion, that did not make him racist, but that's what they labeled him as, when he was actually a civil rights activist who did enormous work and achieved great accomplishments for black Americans in Arizona.

    It was a mistake by Goldwater, but an honest one that had nothing to do with racism, it was a constitutional issue for him based on the advice and opinion of a well-known legal constitutional scholar based on the 14th Amendment. The scholar was obviously wrong, because the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 to my knowledge has never even been challenged in the courts but if it were the business services section that Barry had a question about would be argued as Eisenhower had wanted to do with the 1957 US Civil Rights Act under the Commerce Clause instead of the 14th Amendment.

    The US Civil Rights Act had already passed, it was a fait accompli, so nothing was to be gained on civil rights by electing Johnson over Goldwater. But, unfortunately, the country voted for Johnson instead of Goldwater on a phony "race" card, with the help of many Republicans, and all we got was 10 years of hell in Vietnam to show for it.

    Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    The tragedy of illegal immigration is that people who have no right to be here, who are here in violation of our law and constitution are tearing our country apart. They are dividing our people, they are influencing our elections, they are running up our national debt, they are stealing jobs and depressing wages of American Citizens, they are burdening our schools with problems we don't want to address and can't afford to solve, exploiting our health care system to the detriment of our own citizens, and creating crime, destruction and death where it would otherwise not exist.

    At some point, Americans have to unite behind our national laws that protect our country and citizens from foreign invaders and uphold our Constitution. If we don't, we lose our country.

    It's not complicated. It's very simple.

    Donald Trump is the ONLY PERSON who even wants to tackle the problem. He is also the ONLY PERSON with the common sense, intelligence and courage to do so.

    STAND BY HIM, and he will stand by US.
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    Trump's big immigration reversal shaped by Christie, Giuliani says

    Claude Brodesser-Akner

    August 26, 2016

    TRENTONDonald Trump's apparent pivot away from his calls for mass deportations of millions of undocumented immigrants is partially the result of prodding by New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie,according to former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.


    And, Giuliani says, even more Christie-inspired changes to Trump's immigration stance will be forthcoming, like his call for tracking immigrant visas like Fedex packages, and using the E-Verify system to reduce illegal labor.


    In an interview with NJ Advance Media on Thursday, Giuliani, a top adviser to the Republican presidential nominee, said Trump's recent reversal on immigration policy came after his inner circle for several weeks suggested a more nuanced, practical, and humane approach in dealing with the nation's 11 million undocumented immigrants.


    Asked if Christie was responsible for Trump's softening approach to immigration, the former mayor responded: "The answer to that question is yes."

    Christie, Giuliani said, "is not the only one" counseling a more moderate stance on those who immigrated illegally, "but he is of great value to him."

    The Trump campaign declined to comment on Christie's involvement. The governor is an adviser to Trump and heads his transition effort.

    A spokesman for Christie declined to comment.


    Last summer, Trump vowed to employ a "deportation force" to expel all undocumented immigrants from the U.S.

    "Politicians aren't going to find them because they have no clue," Trump told CNN's Dana Bash in July 2015. "We will find them, we will get them out," Trump said. "It's feasible if you know how to manage. Politicians don't know how to manage."


    But on Wednesday, Trump appeared at a town hall meeting with Fox News' Sean Hannity and said he wasn't sure if he wanted carry through on his prior promises to tear out the nation's entire unauthorized immigrant population root and branch.

    "Can we go through a process, or do you think they have to get out? Tell me. I mean, I don't know. You tell me," Trump said to the crowd, which greeted his question with a mix of boos and cheers.


    The reappraisal stunned many Trump supporters, who noted that their candidate was adopting the proposals of former rivals Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio. Trump had previously ridiculed their calls to establish permanent residency for undocumented immigrants and an agricultural worker program.


    Bush, the former governor of Florida, himself sounded off on the matter on Thursday in a radio interview with ABC News.
    "Shifting my views because, because it's political to do it? That's what politicians do in this country, that's what Trump is trying to do right now," Bush said. "I find it abhorrent."


    However, Trump's reversal is similar to proposals put forward by Christie just before his own presidential run.
    "There are not enough law enforcement officers in all the country if all they were doing is rounding up and deporting people," Christie said during an town hall in Exeter, N.H., in April 2015, just two months before launching his presidential bid.

    "I will tell you that most folks that I've met in my state who have come here to this country illegally, have come here because they want to work," Christie said at a town hall in Londonderry, N.H., that same month. "Because they want to support themselves, they want to support their families."

    On Thursday, Giuliani said that Christie's immigration advice to Trump has become "an important part of the discussion and his views are taken very seriously."


    Trump is polling poorly with Latinos. A recent NBC News poll found 22 percent of Hispanic voters support Trump, compared with the 73 percent who back Clinton.


    In addition, Giuliani said two significant planks from Christie's own immigration plan will be announced as part of Trump's border security approach in the weeks ahead.


    "He's going to talk about biometrics and E-Verify," Giuliani said, referring to Christie's previous calls to track immigrant visas like overnight packages, and for all employers to make mandatory use of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's E–Verify system, which allows businesses to determine the eligibility of their employees to work in the U.S.


    In August 2015, Christie said he was "going to ask Fred Smith, the founder of Federal Express, to come work for the government for three months at Immigration and Custom Enforcement" to create "a system that tracks you from the moment you come in."


    In July 2015, Christie repeatedly called for expanding use of the E-Verify system, calling it the "most important" tool the government could use to curtail illegal immigration.


    "If every employer uses E-Verify and if they violate the law, there are fines that are so significant that the profit they make off hiring lower-wage workers and discriminating against American workers won't be worth their while," Christie told Fox News.



    On Thursday, Giuliani said he suspected Trump would embrace a guest worker program for those immigrants who entered the country illegally as migrant farm or livestock workers, but only after securing the border.





    "There's nothing that prevents having a program in which the people who are willing to do jobs that aren't being filed by Americans, if it's managed correctly and doesn't result in illegal immigration," Giuliani said.


    He added that whatever static Trump's reconsideration of his deportation plan was generating among supporters, the mogul still had plenty of wiggle room.

    "Either position that he takes, he can get elected," Giuliani said. "I've been to many rallies with him. Nobody at the rallies is terribly concerned about the number of illegals who are not committing crimes. Their big concern is the wall. I would consider that the core promise that he made."

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf...n_deporta.html



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    Chris Christie seems to be an amnesty devil speaking into Donald Trump's ear. There must be several.

    A "Guest Worker" program? We have heard from Donald Trump the words "back taxes, comprehensive immigration plan" and now we should expect "guest worker" program for illegal aliens doing certain jobs according to Rudy Giuliani.

    How many different occupations would this guest worker program cover and for how many illegal aliens? Rudy mentions farm and livestock but is that all. I hope this never happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeach View Post
    Chris Christie seems to be an amnesty devil speaking into Donald Trump's ear. There must be several.

    A "Guest Worker" program? We have heard from Donald Trump the words "back taxes, comprehensive immigration plan" and now we should expect "guest worker" program for illegal aliens doing certain jobs according to Rudy Giuliani.

    How many different occupations would this guest worker program cover and for how many illegal aliens? Rudy mentions farm and livestock but is that all. I hope this never happens.
    As I recall there are at lest 2 million agricultural visas available for agricultural and farm workers. We do not need a guest worker program for illegal aliens to do this, we already have one for this available to legal immigrants. Really, I think there are a lot of Americans who will do this work, Americans always did, so I don't understand why Rudy and Christie don't understand what they're proposing steals jobs from American Workers who need them. Yes, they would have to train and condition American Workers who haven't done this work before or for awhile and pay them appropriately, but this how we function in the United States.

    There's no need for what they are proposing. They've never done this work or maybe they don't know anyone who has, so they don't know what they're talking about. Lawyers are usually not the right people to discuss farming and agricultural issues.
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