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    Senators restart talks on U.S. immigration reform plan

    Senators restart talks on U.S. immigration reform plan

    Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:35am EST

    (Reuters) - Two key U.S. senators are restarting bipartisan talks on U.S. immigration reform that will include a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country, Senator Charles Schumer said on Sunday.

    Appearing on NBC's "Meet the Press," the Democrat Schumer said he has spoken with Republican Senator Lindsey Graham and they have agreed to resume talks that broke off two years ago.

    "And I think we have a darned good chance using this blueprint to get something done this year. The Republican Party has learned that being ... anti-immigrant doesn't work for them politically. And they know it," Schumer said.

    President Barack Obama, re-elected last week with overwhelming support from Hispanic voters, in 2010 called the proposal unveiled by Graham and Schumer a "promising framework" on immigration reform. But the plan never got off the ground.

    Obama's support among Hispanics was about 66 percent in the election, according to Reuters/Ipsos polling data.

    There are an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States, most of them Hispanics.

    The Graham and Schumer plan has four components: requiring high-tech, fraud-proof Social Security cards to ensure that illegal workers cannot get jobs; strengthening border security and enforcement of immigration laws; creating a process for admitting temporary workers; and implementing a path to legal status for immigrants already in the country.

    Schumer said the plan embraces "a path to citizenship that's fair, which says you have to learn English, you have to go to the back of the line, you've got to have a job, and you can't commit crimes."

    Many Republican leaders have taken a hard position against illegal immigrants. Obama's unsuccessful Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, said during the campaign that illegal immigrants should "self-deport" from the country.

    Since the election, some influential conservative voices, including television commentator Sean Hannity, have announced support for immigration reform that includes a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants in the United States with no criminal record.

    House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner, the top Republican in Congress, said on Friday that the U.S. immigration system is broken, and that Obama had to take the lead. Boehner has said he is confident Republicans could find common ground with the president.
    The Obama administration announced in June it would relax U.S. deportation rules so that many young illegal immigrants who came to the United States as children can stay in the country and work.

    The change would allow illegal immigrants who, among other criteria, are younger than 30 years old and have not been convicted of a felony to apply for work permits.

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    Once again, the Democrats misspeak. The Republicans have never been anti immigrant. They have bee anti ILLEGAL alien. You know those that come here without permission, break our laws, work under the table and become a burden to the public treasury by turning having children into an industry.
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    There are an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States, most of them Hispanics.
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    Give them citizenship and that is another 12 million votes for Democrats ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAPPY2BME View Post
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    Give them citizenship and that is another 12 million votes for Democrats ..
    And another 12 million that fully qualify for welfare programs, EITC and unemployment.
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    12 million illegals? .... my bet is on over 20 million, and a likely 30 million plus

    IT'S DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN

    The 1986 Reagan Amnesty was projected to provide citizenship to between, 1.1, and 1.3, million illegal aliens.....
    to date, 3.4 million illegal aliens have applied for, and received, citizenship, based on the 1986 Reagan Amnesty.

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    Senators propose comprehensive immigration changes

    Graham said that the "tone and rhetoric" Republicans used in the immigration debate of 2006 and 2007 "has built a wall between the Republican Party and Hispanic community," causing Hispanic support to dwindle from 44 percent in 2004 to 27 percent in 2012.

    "This is an odd formula for a party to adopt, the fastest growing demographic in the country, and we're losing votes every election. It's one thing to shoot yourself in the foot, just don't reload the gun. I intend not to reload this gun when it comes to Hispanics. I intend to tear this wall down and pass an immigration reform bill that's an American solution to an American problem," he said.
    MICHELE SALCEDO, Associated Press

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Two senators on opposite sides of the aisle are proposing comprehensive changes to the immigration laws that would include a pathway to citizenship for the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants now in the United States.

    Democrat Chuck Schumer of New York and Republican Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who promoted similar proposals on separate Sunday news shows said that no path to citizenship would be available until the country's borders were secure.

    Only then could those in the U.S. without authorization "come out of the shadows, get biometrically identified, start paying taxes, pay a fine for the law they broke," Graham told CBS' "Face the Nation." ''They can't stay unless they learn our language, and they have to get in the back of line before they become citizens. They can't cut in front of the line regarding people who are doing it right and it can take over a decade to get their green card." A green card grants permanent residency status — a step toward citizenship.

    Schumer told NBC's "Meet the Press" that he and Graham have resumed talks on immigration policy that broke off two years ago and "have put together a comprehensive detailed blueprint on immigration reform" that has "the real potential for bipartisan support based on the theory that most Americans are for legal immigration, but very much against illegal immigration."

    Graham, however, made no mention of working with the chairman of the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, refugees and border security.

    Immigration policy, largely ignored during President Barack Obama's first four years in office, has re-emerged as a major issue as Republicans seek ways to rebound from their election performance. More than 70 percent of Hispanic voters supported Obama, who has been more open than Republicans to comprehensive overhaul of immigration laws.

    Three days after Tuesday's election, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said it was time to address immigration policy. He urged Obama to take the lead in coming up with a plan that would look at both improved enforcement of immigration law and the future of the estimated 11 million people living in the country illegally. Boehner, however, did not commit to the citizenship issue.

    Graham said that the "tone and rhetoric" Republicans used in the immigration debate of 2006 and 2007 "has built a wall between the Republican Party and Hispanic community," causing Hispanic support to dwindle from 44 percent in 2004 to 27 percent in 2012.

    "This is an odd formula for a party to adopt, the fastest growing demographic in the country, and we're losing votes every election. It's one thing to shoot yourself in the foot, just don't reload the gun. I intend not to reload this gun when it comes to Hispanics. I intend to tear this wall down and pass an immigration reform bill that's an American solution to an American problem," he said.

    Both senators said the overhaul would include developing a secure document to assure employers they're hiring people authorized to work in the country, and allowing legal immigration for needed workers at all skill levels. The path to citizenship would require immigrants to learn English, go to the back of the citizenship line, have a job and not commit crimes.

    Graham said the overhaul would have to be done in such a way that "we don't have a third wave of illegal immigration 20 years from now. That's what Americans want. They want more legal immigration and they want to fix illegal immigration once and for all."

    In exit polls on Tuesday, The Associated Press found 65 percent favored offering most illegal immigrants workers in the United States a chance to apply for legal status, more than double the number who said most should be deported. Even among Republicans, the party associated with crackdowns on illegal immigration, about half favored a path toward staying in the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReggieMay View Post
    And another 12 million that fully qualify for welfare programs, EITC and unemployment.
    Don't forget Social Security. Betcha tens of thousands of them would magically become disabled and then still work under the table.

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    The Democrats are salivating over getting most of those 12-20 million voters. If so, kiss the Republican party goodbye.
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    Before all the votes are even counted and less than a week after the election, here they go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    The Democrats are salivating over getting most of those 12-20 million voters. If so, kiss the Republican party goodbye.
    A couple of previous posts have shown how idiotic it is for Repubs to prostrate themselves to the illegals lobby. Hispanics vote Democrat for the same reasons that everybody else does: a strong safety net and a perception that the Republican party is the party of the rich. Exit polls show that illegal immigration is less important for Hispanic citizens than is their concern about jobs and the economy. Which is to say that they have the same concerns as do all other Americans.

    Legalizing illegals will benefit Democrats more than Republicans, because the newly legal will have the same concerns as do current Hispanic citizens, So amnesty will end up *harming* the Repubs!
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