Thread: Giuliani Accuses Romney of Hiring Illegals

Giuliani, Romney Testy on Immigration

Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:12 PM


ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney scornfully debated immigration Wednesday in a testy personal exchange in which Giuliani accused Romney of employing illegal immigrants at his home and running a "sanctuary mansion."


Giuliani criticized Romney after the former Massachusetts governor claimed Giuliani had retained New York's status as a sanctuary city while he was mayor.


Romney said it would "not be American" to check the papers of workers employed by a contractor simply because they have a "funny accent." He had landscapers at his Belmont, Mass., home who turned out were in the country illegally.


Giuliani shot back, calling Romney's attitude "holier than thou."


"Mitt usually criticizes people when he usually has the far worse record," Giuliani said.


The exchange came at the start of an innovative CNN-YouTube debate that forced the candidates to confront immigration immediately, signaling the volatility of the issue among Republican voters.


The audience, however, booed Giuliani as he tried to persist in his criticism of Romney.


At the outset, the questions submitted online dominated the immigration issue and swept over the remainder of the Republican field.


Fred Thompson took the opportunity to distinguish himself from both Romney and Giuliani, arguing that Romney had supported President Bush's plan to provide a path to citizenship for some immigrants in the United States illegally now. He took Giuliani to task for attacking Romney's employment of illegal immigrants.


"I think we've all had people who we've hired who in retrospect was a bad decision," he said.


Sen. John McCain, for whom the immigration issue has proved particularly vexing, defended his support for an unsuccessful overhaul of immigration laws that included a temporary worker program and a path to citizenship.


"We must recognize these are God's children as well," McCain said. "They need our love and compassion, and I want to ensure that I will enforce the borders first. But we won't demagogue it."


Mike Huckabee, who has also come under GOP criticism for some of his immigration policies while governor of Arkansas, defended benefits he supported for children of illegal immigrants, including allowing children to be eligible to apply for college scholarships.


"Are we going to say kids who are here illegally are going to get a special deal?" Romney asked.


Huckabee objected, saying the benefit was based on merit. "We shouldn't be punishing children for what their parents did," he said.


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Rudy should be the last one to criticize any candidate about illegal immigration, as he (Rudy) still openly supports amnesty and said just recently he supports a "virtual" (i.e., non-existent) fence over a real fence. I hope voters see Guiliani for the fraud that he is on this issue.

I know about this one which is that Romney hired all of his landscapers through a man named Saenz whose papers he checked out and Saenz was indeed a legal immigrant. Saenz however hired a crew as his business got larger and he did no screening merely asking his crew to pledge as to whether they were also qualfied and legally eligible to work. A lot of the crew members were not here legally. Romney just asked Saenz he did not check out each of this contractors employees. Another crew composed entirely of light complected English speakers would likely not be checked by the home owner Romney in this case. As there are legal Latin immigrants for Romney to have done more to check out the employees beyond asking Saenz he would have been showing racial bias against Latinos. Saenz was the culpable person in the case.

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It only recently became an issue to the so called top tier.

They sure stole the issue from Tancredo, Hunter and Paul.

I would never believe those lier's.

Originally Posted by Richard

I know about this one which is that Romney hired all of his landscapers through a mannamed Saenz whose papers he checked out and Saenz was indeed a legal immigrant. Saenz however hired a crew as his business got larger and he did no screening merely asking his crew to pledge as to whether they were also qualfied and legally eligible to work. A lot of the crew members were not here legally. Romney just asked Saenz he did not check out each of this contractors employees. A crew composed entirely of light complected English speakers would likely not be checked by the home owner Romney in this case. As there are legal Latin immigrants for Romney to have done more to check out the employees beyond asking Saenz he would have been showing racial bias against Latinos.

I thought that Romney did well with attacking Guliani right back!!

If Tancredo, Hunter or Paul do not make it to first tier, I am going to support Romney.

Originally Posted by Populist

Rudy should be the last one to criticize any candidate about illegal immigration, as he (Rudy) still openly supports amnesty and said just recently he supports a "virtual" (i.e., non-existent) fence over a real fence. I hope voters see Guiliani for the fraud that he is on this issue.

I think they did a great job of showing each other other up and have evidently never heard the saying"People in glass houses should not throw stones." They are both pro amnesty and are saying anything right now to get elected. I find both of them pathetic and disgustingly fake!!

Originally Posted by April

Originally Posted by Populist

Rudy should be the last one to criticize any candidate about illegal immigration, as he (Rudy) still openly supports amnesty and said just recently he supports a "virtual" (i.e., non-existent) fence over a real fence. I hope voters see Guiliani for the fraud that he is on this issue.

I think they did a great job of showing each other other up and have evidently never heard the saying"People in glass houses should not throw stones." They are both pro amnesty and are saying anything right now to get elected. I find both of them pathetic and disgustingly fake!!

Romney did at least take provable steps against the illegals while he was in office---even before the issue became as hot as it is now.

---He stopped them from getting drivers' licenses

--He stopped them from getting in-state tuition

--He gave the state police the authority to use 287g to make arrests.

Originally Posted by Bren4824

Originally Posted by April

Originally Posted by Populist

Rudy should be the last one to criticize any candidate about illegal immigration, as he (Rudy) still openly supports amnesty and said just recently he supports a "virtual" (i.e., non-existent) fence over a real fence. I hope voters see Guiliani for the fraud that he is on this issue.

I think they did a great job of showing each other other up and have evidently never heard the saying"People in glass houses should not throw stones." They are both pro amnesty and are saying anything right now to get elected. I find both of them pathetic and disgustingly fake!!

Romney did at least take provable steps against the illegals while he was in office---in before the issue became as hot as it is now.

---He stopped them from getting drivers' licenses

--He stopped them from getting in-state tuition

--He gave the state police the authority to use 287g to make arrests.

I am sorry but I cannot overlook his constant flip flopping and inability to give a straight answer most of the time.

Originally Posted by April

Originally Posted by Bren4824

Originally Posted by April

Originally Posted by Populist

Rudy should be the last one to criticize any candidate about illegal immigration, as he (Rudy) still openly supports amnesty and said just recently he supports a "virtual" (i.e., non-existent) fence over a real fence. I hope voters see Guiliani for the fraud that he is on this issue.

I think they did a great job of showing each other other up and have evidently never heard the saying"People in glass houses should not throw stones." They are both pro amnesty and are saying anything right now to get elected. I find both of them pathetic and disgustingly fake!!

Romney did at least take provable steps against the illegals while he was in office---in before the issue became as hot as it is now.

---He stopped them from getting drivers' licenses

--He stopped them from getting in-state tuition

--He gave the state police the authority to use 287g to make arrests.

I am sorry but I cannot overlook his constant flip flopping and inability to give a straight answer most of the time.

Unless Tancredo, Paul, or Hunter make it..........He is the next best choice---we don't have much in the pickens department.

Originally Posted by Bren4824

Originally Posted by April

Originally Posted by Bren4824

Originally Posted by April

Originally Posted by Populist

Rudy should be the last one to criticize any candidate about illegal immigration, as he (Rudy) still openly supports amnesty and said just recently he supports a "virtual" (i.e., non-existent) fence over a real fence. I hope voters see Guiliani for the fraud that he is on this issue.

I think they did a great job of showing each other other up and have evidently never heard the saying"People in glass houses should not throw stones." They are both pro amnesty and are saying anything right now to get elected. I find both of them pathetic and disgustingly fake!!

Romney did at least take provable steps against the illegals while he was in office---in before the issue became as hot as it is now.

---He stopped them from getting drivers' licenses

--He stopped them from getting in-state tuition

--He gave the state police the authority to use 287g to make arrests.

I am sorry but I cannot overlook his constant flip flopping and inability to give a straight answer most of the time.

Unless Tancredo, Paul, and Hunter make it..........He is the next best choice---we don't have much in the pickens department.

That is a frightening thought indeed!!!