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Killed Chechen Bomber Brother: "I Don't Have A Single American Friend, I Don't Understand Them."

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/19/2013 08:44 -0400

While the first alleged terrorist bomber, 19 year-old Dhjokar Tsarnaev, born in Kyrgystan, is on the loose currently somewhere in Boston and is the target of a massive manhunt, his brother, 26 year-old, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, born in Russia and legal US resident since 2007, died overnight in a shootout with the local police. It appears he was a boxer, studied at Bunker Hill Community College, was very religious, didn't drink or smoke, wanted to become an engineer, and his favorite movie was Borat. His YouTube page can be found here: on it can be found videos of Islamic preacher Feiz Mohammad. Most informative is a captioned photo narrative by Johannes Hirn showcasing the older brother's boxing pursuits and a glimpse into his history and philosophy.



Tamerlan Tsarnaev practices boxing at the Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center



Originally from Chechnya, but living in the United States since five years, Tamerlan says: "I don't have a single American friend, I don't understand them."



Tamerlan, 196 lbs, will represent New England in the heavyweight category at the National Golden Gloves competition in Salt Lake City, Utah.



Tamerlan, who studies at Bunker Hill Community College in Boston and wants to become an engineer, took the semester off from school to train for the competition.



If he wins enough fights there, Tamerlan says he could be selected for the US Olympic team and be naturalized American. Unless his native Chechnya becomes independent, Tamerlan says he would rather compete for the United States than for Russia.



Tamerlan fled Chechnya with his family because of the conflict in the early 90s, and lived for years in Kazakhstan before getting to the United States as a refugee.



"I'm dressed European style," Tamerlan says.



Tamerlan stops to answer a phone call while walking from his Mercedes to the Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center, where he practices boxing



Tamerlan says he loves the movie "Borat," even though some of the jokes are a bit too much



"When you start kicking, it gets dirty. That's what I think," Tamerlan says. Of kickboxers, he says: "They don't know how to move."



Tamerlan says he doesn't usually take his shirt off so girls don't get bad ideas: "I'm very religious."



Tamerlan says he doesn't drink or smoke anymore: "God said no alcohol." A muslim, he says: "There are no values anymore," and worries that "people can't control themselves."



Tamerlan says his girlfriend is half Portuguese, half Italian girlfriend and converted to Islam: "She's beautiful, man!"



Tamerlan demonstrates a way of walking to strengthen the ankle muscles at the Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center. A native of Chechnya, Tamerlan says: "In Russia, we used to train like this. Here nobody does it, I don't know why!"

And an interview of BBG TV with Tamerlan's sparring partner from the gym:

Video at the Page Link:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-0...t-understand-t

Wow, thanks for posting Sapper! Very insightful article.

The politically correct crowd will claim they're an anomaly and we shouldn't conclude there are more like them hiding in the shadows awaiting an amnesty. Heck there aren't any Mexican drug cartel members here either. Besides isn't it better if a few hundreds of thousands of Americans die so that millions can give their kids a better life? Haven't Americans always been willing to sacrifice for the greater good?

Damn now my tongue is bleeding.

What a waste of life-two young men with such talent and promise decided to squander it on evil instead. Not to mention the waste of life that are the three dead victims of this tragedy and the ones who may spend the rest of their lives handicapped because of it.

Originally Posted by Ratbstard

The politically correct crowd will claim they're an anomaly and we shouldn't conclude there are more like them hiding in the shadows awaiting an amnesty. Heck there aren't any Mexican drug cartel members here either. Besides isn't it better if a few hundreds of thousands of Americans die so that millions can give their kids a better life? Haven't Americans always been willing to sacrifice for the greater good?

Damn now my tongue is bleeding.

To use an old phrase, RIGHT ON RATBSTARD!!!!

Life in America Unraveled for Brothers

By ALAN CULLISON and PAUL SONNE in Moscow and JENNIFER LEVITZ in Cambridge, Mass.

Where did the alleged bombers of the Boston Marathon come from? What were their career aspirations? What can we learn from their online media presence? WSJ's Jason Bellini has "The Short Answer."

The two Chechen brothers accused in the Boston Marathon bombing set about building American lives after coming to the U.S. about a decade ago.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26 years old, became a successful Golden Gloves boxer. His younger brother, Dzhokhar, 19, was a nursing student and became an American citizen just last year, on Sept. 11.

But a close examination of the Tsarnaev family's life in the U.S. shows a hopeful immigrant trajectory veering off course.
For nearly 24 hours, a dragnet of cinematic proportion played out in Boston's eerily quiet streets after the two brothers were branded as the architects of Monday's Boston Marathon bombings. A gunbattle in Watertown, Mass., left Tamerlan dead by early Friday morning, and police put Boston on lockdown after Dzhokhar eluded capture. Later Friday, however, he was apprehended.



Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani comments on the hunt for one of two brothers of Chechen background suspected in Monday's Boston Marathon bombings, and whether the U.S. is in a better state to prevent terrorism now in 2001.

On Friday, details from their lives emerged through interviews with neighbors and relatives, and from their online activities.

Acquaintances recalled the brothers as strong students and avid athletes. They left few clues suggesting they would be capable of the gruesome acts the police say they committed.

But the patriarch of the family, a talented auto mechanic named Anzor Tsarnaev, struggled to make a living. Tamerlan, his eldest son, failed to make a career out of boxing, dropped out of community college for lack of money and struggled to find work.

Living on public assistance in a multifamily house in Cambridge, the family began to fray, friends said. The parents separated. Anzor Tsarnaev returned to Russia, battling illness.

Along the way, Tamerlan's attitude seemed to sour. "I like the USA," he told the Lowell Sun newspaper in 2004 while competing in a boxing tournament shortly after arriving in the U.S. "America has a lot of jobs." But a caption accompanying an online photo of him a few years later reads: "Originally from Chechnya, but living in the U.S. since five years…I don't have a single American friend, I don't understand them."

Ruslan Tsarni, an uncle of the two brothers, told reporters outside his Maryland home Friday that his nephews were "losers" who were unable to settle into American life "and thereby just hating everyone who did." He said he didn't think there was an ideological motive. "This has nothing to do with Chechnya," he said. He also indicated there was a rift between him and his brothers. "It's personal," he said, "I didn't like them."





Getty ImagesTamerlan Tsarnaev, at right in photo, in a 2009 Golden Gloves boxing match in Salt Lake City.

The boys' mother said in a television interview with the Russian state-run news channel RT Friday night that anyone calling her son a loser is a loser himself. "I am really sure, like I am 100% sure, that this is a setup," Zubeidat K. Tsarnaev said. She also said that she had been contacted by the FBI about her older son, before Monday's deadly attack, as he grew more religious.

The boys' father, in an interview with The Wall Street Journal, said he was present when the FBI interviewed Tamerlan in Cambridge. He said they visited for what they called "prevention" activities. "They said: We know what sites you are on, we know where you are calling, we know everything about you. Everything," Mr. Tsarnaev said.
Another relative—Maret Tsarnaev, the paternal aunt of the brothers—defended the sons. "Nothing points out that my nephews did [the bombings]…I demand evidence," she said.

The Tsarnaev family, which included two boys and two girls, had come to America after facing discrimination as ethnic Chechens living in Kyrgyzstan during wars in their ethnic homeland. A separatist rebellion there, with elements of radical Islam, had been crushed by the Kremlin under presidents Boris Yeltsin and Vladimir Putin.

Before arriving in the U.S., the family lived in a number of places. Anzor, the father, grew up as an ethnic Chechen in Kyrgyzstan, and said he briefly returned to Chechnya with the family in the early 1990s before moving back to the Central Asian republic. He then left Kyrgyzstan again, facing discrimination. The family lived for a few years in Makhachkala, the capital of Dagestan, where Ms. Tsarnaev's family is from, before moving to the U.S.

U.S. law-enforcement officials said the two brothers came to the U.S. at different times. Dzhokhar arrived with his parents in 2002, just before he turned 10. Tamerlan arrived on his own around 2004. The family was granted legal permanent residence in the U.S. in March 2007, a law-enforcement official said.

An aunt, who already lived in the U.S., helped them get established. Soon they moved into a house in a poorer neighborhood near the border of Boston's Cambridge and Somerville suburbs. There they faced headwinds that many immigrant families encounter.

One problem was money. The father was unable to find steady work as a mechanic. He struggled to make ends meet by fixing cars on the street for $10 an hour, a practice that prompted neighbors to complain, according to one of the neighbors.
Tamerlan excelled in school but dropped out of Bunker Hill Community College because of money, according to the family's landlord, Joanna Herlihy. In an interview published in a Russian newspaper Friday, the father also recounted his younger son's problems with money, which he said he tried to solve by working as a lifeguard between studies.

Ms. Herlihy, who speaks Russian and helped tutor the children, said Tamerlan's boxing dreams eventually crumbled. "His back was in really bad shape and he couldn't get into the Olympics, and that was the last thing he really worked hard at," Ms. Herlihy said.

Dzhokhar excelled as a student at Cambridge Rindge & Latin School. "I know this kid to be compassionate. I know this kid to be forthcoming," said Larry Aaronson, a retired history teacher at the high school. "Every conversation I had with him—he was generous, compassionate and thoughtful."

A former classmate there said, "His brother and family weren't really Westernized, but Dzhokhar was really integrated into our school community. He was a normal American kid."

Attorney Andrea Kramer said Friday her sons played on the varsity soccer team while Dzhokhar played on the junior-varsity squad. Dzhokhar "wasn't 'them.' He was 'us,'" Ms. Kramer said. "He was Cambridge" and part of a community whose "strength and beauty" is its diversity.

The younger Mr. Tsarnaev was seen on campus at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, where he was studying nursing, in the days after the marathon attack, possibly on Wednesday, according to one student who lived in his dorm. He said his roommate shouted "Yo, Dzhokhar" to him in greeting.

Authorities are now trying to determine whether or not the young men had contact with terrorist figures. Last year Tamerlan traveled to Makhachkala, the capital of Dagestan, the Russian republic next to Chechnya where his father currently lives and where he has other relatives as well. Dagestan is home to a simmering Islamist insurgency.

Tamerlan came up with money for the trip and unexpectedly left for the Russian region. A law-enforcement official confirmed that Tamerlan flew out of New York on Jan. 12, 2012, for Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport and returned July 17. To travel to Dagestan from the U.S., most passengers go through Moscow.

The brothers' father, Anzor, said Tamerlan was with him while in Dagestan. "He wasn't occupied with anything. He was just visiting relatives," Mr. Tsarnaev said. He said there is no way his son interacted with Islamic fundamentalists while on the trip. "There aren't even any of those here anymore," he said.

Before his departure, Tamerlan was showing signs of stricter religious beliefs, a family friend said. "He started to pray," his father said. About 3½ years ago he had married an American woman who mothered his child and converted to Islam. She was supporting him in recent months as a home health aide, the friend said.

His father said Tamerlan had a domestic incident in his past with his first girlfriend, and had struck her.

Richard Medeiros, who lives in the house behind the suspects, says that six months or so ago, Tamerlan, after being clean-shaven, grew a beard. "He looked like one of those Amish people," said Mr. Medeiros, who is 40 and lives in an apartment building that was evacuated by police and remained cordoned off Friday afternoon. "It made him look really old."

He said he must have shaved it only recently. "That's why I did not recognize him in the photos," he said.

He said his wife wore a black head-covering "down to her eyebrows" and was the friendliest of the group. "She was always asking, 'Hey, how ya doing? Is your leg getting better?'" said Mr. Medeiros, who is on crutches.

Tamerlan also influenced his younger brother. In an interview Friday with a Russian newspaper, his father, Anzor, said Dzhokhar "wouldn't have gotten involved in this against the will of his brother, Tamerlan, and his older brother never would have allowed such things." He denied that his sons were guilty.

In another interview, with a Russian tabloid-news website, he expressed concern about the fate of his sons. "We wanted some peace and calm in life," he said. "And you see what they've found. They were running away from one thing and they met another."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...435232278.html




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Living on public assistance in a multifamily house in Cambridge, the family began to fray, friends said. The parents separated. Anzor Tsarnaev returned to Russia, battling illness.

Not hearing about this on the news.