Thread: An idea to secure the border Plus

The vast majority of Americans want more security on the border. Some surveys have found that 90 percent want military troops placed there. Let's give them something even better. Add a large number of additional border patrol agents and expand their role. If we added a huge force on the border, say 10,000 more people, it would clearly add a significant amount of security. These same people could be cross trained and used in national emergencies somewhat like the national guard is used.

We all remember what happened in New Orleans after Katrina. The city flooded violence increased and the local, state and federal government were not prepared to deal with the situation. Now imagine if we had a large force nearby say on the Texas border ready to move in and provide security and humanitarian assistance. It is a few hours drive from the Texas border to New Orleans.

This would work in California as well. We all know there will be another massive earthquake in California someday. If this plan could be implemented there would be a huge back up force to assist in this disaster. They could provide security prevent, looting and help in rescue efforts or other humanitarian work.

Here are some advantages to this idea.

In conjunction with the wall (they are slowly building) a large increase in the size of the border patrol would actually secure our border. Preventing terrorists, drug smugglers and illegal immigrants from entering the country.

We would have a large reserve of civilian police to assist our fellow citizens after a natural disaster or terror attack when local authorities are overwhelmed.


Let me know what you think.

Sounds like a solid plan to keep the government from sending in mercenaries or declaring Marshall Law.

Terrible idea. Enforcement officers end up being at the mercy of politically ambitious open border zealots. Take Ramos and Campeon and a host of others. It would be virtually impossible to recruit anyone worth anything. Who would want to be sold out to a foreign government? Putting a non-military style force on the border has simply not worked. Placing military troops there up's the anty for Mexican Nationalists. But there is already a plan to hire more officers, it just is intentionally misfunded and misdirected and they can't recruit enough people. Having law enforcement agents helps Mexico, drug dealers and Open Borders zealots.
They can easily manipulate the legal system post incident as we have already seen and they can simply control things by "mismanagement." It occurs quite often that Border Patrol agents are routed away from duty and are subjected to a more direct civilian set of standards. If the military is on the border, with a clearly defined mission, they will succeed as always.

The main problem is deterrance and enforcement. Mexico will not cease to make everything a political issue to keep the focus off of them. This has been their method since the 70's James Earl Carter people rush. There are constant military incursions into the US, this should be dealt with by the military it is that simple.

A great portion of the problem in Katrina was the nature of the people living there, not the government. I know it is common to blame fema, but other areas were severly affected by Katrina and came out well because they were self sufficient and did not have heightened sense of government entitlement. You cannot forget the violence, murder and rape that occured on a massive scale. This is the fault of the character of the people and the poor leadership of their mayor. There would have been nothing a border force in texas could have done really. In fact there were guard troops on the ready, they were not deployed as a result of poor leadership and responsibility. the President did not want to overstep state authority it seemed. He lacks courage, but in the end all the resources were in place.

They are NOT building the wall. They voted not to fund it. They have only fully completed a mile. You should realize by now they DO NOT want to build it.

The Coast Guard is now under the dept of Homeland Security for "disasters."

http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-81942-0-day ... posse.html

There really needs to be no discussion on what to do, we have the resources to stop it. It isn't like its some sort of mystery. They DO NOT WANT TO close the border.

IT WOULD CREATE MORE JOBS AND SAVE AMERICA MONEY AND SAVE AMERICAN AS WELL AS ILLEGALS LIVES-RIGHT NOW THERE IS A BORDER WAR GOING ON BY MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS-sorry to shout,they see our border patrol as a minor fly and already have seen we are more willing to imprision border agents than drug dealers

Lets hope that 2008 is the year of change.

The reason a non military force has never been able to secure the border is because they have never put enough men on the border. Vast parts of the border have nothing to stop people from crossing it. No fence no agents.

Our border is large that means it takes a large amount of resources to try and secure it. Employee verification is part of the solution. A wall and more man power on the border are part of the solution as well.

I agree with your statement that the politicians do not want to secure the border thats why they delay the wall and underman the border patrol. Thats why we need to come up with more reasons for the public to support a secure border. Like the one I have suggested, then the politicians will be forced to act.

I am not really sure what you are saying. You suggested that creating 10000 new border patrols agents would help to secure the border. Thats already been a plan that is in implementation. I am saying that they have no plan to fund it or see it thru and they are finding noone wants to join because of Ramos and Campeon.

The reason a non military force has never been able to secure the border is because they have never put enough men on the border. Vast parts of the border have nothing to stop people from crossing it. No fence no agents.

This isn't really the problem either. There was an experiment in El Paso Texas in the late 80's early 90's called "operation hold the line" which reduced crime and illegal activity by 80+% It was shown to be successful when a specific area was manned correctly with backup officers. They decided not to implement it. They had the manpower to pull it off, but they redirected them. The point is also that enforcement personel will become easier targets for politicos as we have seen with the recent border patrol agent political sacrifices. Military are much harder to be manipulated.

Again it isn't really a problem to be solved, the solutions are present and known.

Our border is large that means it takes a large amount of resources to try and secure it. Employee verification is part of the solution. A wall and more man power on the border are part of the solution as well.

Of course and of course. but you will find that the basis of the struggle is refusal to enforce laws. The spin has been to talk about solutions to the problem. This has been a means to put it off. We currently have all of the needed resources to secure the border. As you know it is currently against the law to enter our country illegally and so there you have it. The border wall could have been completed by now. People like McCain voted not to fund it. So there is nor eal need to have more legislation. The problem can and should morally be addressed as the situation stands.

The politicians have shown they cannot be forced to act. They tried to grant amnesty so it really is a straight issue of intentional non-enforcement and there you have the struggle. Introducing any more new legislations is meaningless. They voted for the fence then voted to not fund it. They won't make it, they don't don't want it made. They want a unified North American Super NAFTA market with free people flow.

Politicians can be forced to do things they do not want to do. The majority of our politicians would have voted for an amnesty if they could have. It was just to unpopular for them to dare. They really did not want to vote for a wall but they did.

As for the wall ever being built I understand that it is limping along and they are sueing some people in Texas to get access to their land.

A few high powered politicians can do alot if they really want to.
If there are enough supporting getting the Border fence built and they have the "WILL" they can make others have the will too.

If you have the right numbers they could shut the governemnt down by telling the other members, The sooner the fence is built, the sooner these other projects get done. No fence, No projects! It's that simple!

You have to have hard nosed unwaivering politicians that won't submitt to bribery and arm twisting. NO FENCE, NOTHING GETS DONE! It wouldn't be long before something happens.

Chexfive wrote

A few high powered politicians can do alot if they really want to.
If there are enough supporting getting the Border fence built and they have the "WILL" they can make others have the will too.

Chosen wrote

Of course and of course. but you will find that the basis of the struggle is refusal to enforce laws.

Not only is it time to place our military on the border, but it's time to elect new members to the House and Senate. It's also time to make sure that unpatriotic and unloyal persons like David Rockefeller don't have any say in shaping domestic and foreign policy. David Rockefeller and Dick Cheney are just a couple of a handful of people, are the reasons why we have these problems today.