Thread: JANET NAPOLITANO: OPEN MOUTH INSERT FOOT

Originally Posted by April

So why haven't we heard anything about this guy being seen with the other passengers after they deplaned?

Her daughter said that ahead of them was a man who videotaped the entire flight, including the attempted detonation.

"He sat up and videotaped the entire thing, very calmly," said Patricia. "We do know that the FBI is looking for him intensely. Since then, we've heard nothing about it."



Thanks April.....this is exactly what I'm talking about.

There's this guy who videotaped the entire thing and, obviously, his actions are highly suspect, mainly because he didn't hand over the tape to authorities to assist in their investigation. Of course, there's always the possibility that he has and they just aren't making that public for security and privacy reasons.

But, right now, we're working under the assumption that he didn't and is being sought by the FBI.

What we have to wonder about is how he was able to just seemingly slip away, out of a contained area with security so tight people were escorted, one at a time, to the bathroom if they had to go, when there were people who could identify this guy and told the authorities about him?

The other thing bothering me about this is the fact that he was taping it in the first place.

It just doesn't make any sense really. Supposing he was part of this and fully expected that plane to be blown to smithereens right along with every one and thing on board including his camcorder and tape......why go to the time and effort of recording something you would know you wouldn't be replaying and no one else would ever see once the plane was blown up?

It just begs the question.....is it possible that, what everyone is assuming was a failed attempt was actually a type of dry run? Or, is it possible that, while he's assumed to have been recording this, the camcorder was actually being used as a wireless cam sending a live feed of this to somewhere?

I don't know.....there's just too many bothersome questions about this entire episode

Who's idea was this Nappypolytano!!!!!

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DHS Decided It's OK to Allow Some Terrorists to Board Planes
Wednesday, January 06, 2010
By Terence P. Jeffrey
Listen to Commentary Podcasts

Even if Umar Farouq Abdulmuttalab had never boarded that Christmas flight from Amsterdam to Detroit wearing explosive underpants, a passage on page 17 of a report published in July by the inspector general of the Department of Homeland Security would still be eye-popping.

“Not all known or reasonably suspected terrorists are prohibited from boarding an aircraft, or are subject to additional security screening prior to boarding an aircraft,â€

Tuesday, January 05, 2010
THE ANNOUNCEMENT WE HAVE BEEN EXPECTING
By Kurt Haskell



Over the past week, Lori and I have been expecting an announcement by authorities that they have reviewed the Amsterdam airport security footage and found nothing. Well, today we got that announcement.



http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1



We never once thought that we would see an accurate unedited version of the 2-3 minute clip of the terrorist with the "sharp dressed man". Even though Dutch officials have had the video for 11 days, it apparently took them that long to review the 2-3 minute clip. According to Dutch authorities, they have reviewed 200 hours of video. Why? What video is so lenghty? Sure sounds like Dutch authorities are doing a thorough investigation , or maybe they want the public to think that they are doing a thorough investigation. Seriously, I cannot believe that 200 hours of video exists. Of course, it was too much work to show the 2-3 minute clip to the flight 253 passengers and the rest of the world. Apparently, it is much easier to say nothing was on the video then to attempt to disprove my story. I guess another possibility is that the Dutch authorities just need more time to edit out the relevant portion of the video. LOL.

Over and over again the American public is being spoon fed conclusions by the Federal government and then spoon fed "The Fix to the Problem". At what point is the government going to give the American citizens proof that supports their ultimate conclusion(s)? I am beginning to think never. Please don't forget that the authorities work for the American people, not the other way around. The American public is getting pretty tired of hearing conclusions wihtout proof. This sort of behavior by the federal government breeds a very strong distrust from the American people. I fear a storm is brewing unless we see substantial change in the near future.

Very curious that an article of mine regarding flight 253 was removed from the Drudgereport not once, but twice this week. What is going on?

A good look at the unedited security video would make me feel a lot better, but the government apparently has more important things to do.

http://haskellfamily.blogspot.com/2010/ ... cting.html

As far as I can tell, MSM has not peeped a word about this controversy all day.

From Kurt Haskell's blog today:

Wednesday, January 06, 2010
Article from the LA TIMES
**Strange things being reported, this story just continues to get more weird every day. I am glad our intelligence agencies want to be congratulated for *almost* stopping the bomber. Thank you so much, Ms. Napolitano. I appreciate you almost stopping me from being part of a terrorist attack. Almost does not quite cut it in this case though........

Find this article by clicking here, LA TIMES

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and- ... 4702.story

U.S. learned intelligence on airline bomb suspect while he was en route
U.S. border enforcement officials came close to stopping the attempted bombing of a Northwest Airlines jet while the suspect was en route to Detroit on Christmas Day, new data show.

January 6, 2010 5:36 p.m.

Reporting from Washington - U.S. border security officials learned of intelligence about the alleged extremist links of the suspect in the Christmas Day airline bombing attempt as he was en route to Detroit and had decided to question him when he landed, officials said in new disclosures today.

The new information shows that border enforcement officials came close to uncovering the plot despite previous intelligence failures that were criticized by President Obama this week.

If the intelligence had been discovered sooner, it could have resulted in the interrogation and search of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab before he boarded the Amsterdam-to-Detroit flight, senior law enforcement officials said.

"The people in Detroit were prepared to look at him in secondary inspection," said a senior law enforcement official who requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing. "The decision had been made. The . . . database had picked up the State Department concern about this guy, that this guy may have been involved with extremist elements in Yemen. . . . They could have made a decision on whether to stop him from getting on the plane."

Nonetheless, the revelations underscore the complexity of the intelligence and passenger screening systems that are the subject of comprehensive reviews to be revealed by the administration Thursday.

Even if U.S. border enforcement officials had learned of the Nigerian's alleged extremist links in time, it is not clear the intelligence was strong enough to cause Dutch officials to search him or block him from flying, officials said. The threshold for requiring a foreign visitor to undergo special scrutiny upon arrival in the United States is considerably lower than criteria for preventing him from getting on the plane overseas, according to current and former law enforcement officials. That is why border enforcement officials rely heavily on terrorism watch lists, officials said.

"The public isn't aware how many people are allowed to travel through the U.S. who are linked, who intersect with bad guys or alleged bad guys," a national security official said. "It makes sense from an intelligence perspective. If they are not considered dangerous, it provides intelligence on where they go, who they meet with."

Moreover, the window for identifying a passenger as a potential threat before boarding is limited, according to a senior homeland security official. Although U.S. border enforcement officials have access to passenger data based on reservation lists and use them for preliminary assessments, the in-depth vetting by Customs and Border Protection only begins once the flight manifest has been generated, just a few hours before takeoff, and focuses on potential actions to take at the U.S. border, the official said.

As a result, the intelligence about Abdulmutallab was discovered in a database by Customs and Border Protection inspectors based at the National Targeting Center in Washington once the plane was airborne, the other law enforcement officials said. The administration's review of screening now underway includes an effort to make more information accessible to U.S.inspectors further in advance of flights, the senior law enforcement official said.

Customs and Border Protection spokesmen declined to comment because the investigation is still open.

In Detroit today, federal prosecutors filed a six-count indictment charging Abdulmutallab, 23, for his alleged role in the attempted bombing of Northwest Airlines Flight 253. The Nigerian already had been charged in a criminal complaint, and the indictment accuses him of placing a destructive device on an aircraft, attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and other charges that carry a penalty of up to life in prison.

"This investigation is fast-paced, global and ongoing, and it has already yielded valuable intelligence that we will follow wherever it leads," Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. said today. "Anyone we find responsible for this alleged attack will be brought to justice using every tool -- military or judicial -- available to our government."

Abdulmutallab has provided valuable information to the FBI and federal prosecutors about his dealings with extremists in Yemen, where he was allegedly trained and outfitted with the explosive device that he concealed in his underwear during the trip that began in Ghana, according to U.S. law enforcement officials. Abdulmutallab has told interrogators that the plot involved meetings in Yemen with Anwar al Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni cleric suspected of involvement with Al Qaeda. In addition, communications intercepts detected discussions about Awlaki's role in a suspected plot involving a Nigerian, U.S. officials have said.

The investigation has also uncovered communications between Abdulmutallab and Awlaki, a U.S. anti-terrorism official said today.

"He was definitely in communication with Awlaki," said the official. "That's been documented."

Justice Department officials declined to comment on whether Abdulmutallab's cooperation could result in a reduced sentence. But officials familiar with the case have said a plea deal could short-circuit the debate over his being charged in a civilian court.

Some Republican lawmakers and independent Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, have criticized the Obama administration for that decision, saying he should be interrogated and charged as an enemy combatant, without the right to counsel.

Times staff writers Josh Meyer and Christi Parsons contributed to this

http://haskellfamily.blogspot.com/2010/ ... times.html

The people in Detroit were prepared to look at him in secondary inspection," said a senior law enforcement official who requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing. "The decision had been made.



Yeah...and how many other terrorists have the same thing been said about AFTER the tragedy has already occured?

And then people wonder so many contend that government is behind these attacks? But nooooo, they're all blown off as CT nutjobs.

More from Lori

Thursday, January 07, 2010
Thoughts on the Report
Obama was supposed to speak at 3:00 p.m.

He decided to be fashionably late and appear at 4:30 p.m.

I was at work and did not see his prepared speech. I got a call at the end of the workday from a reporter asking for my thoughts on his speech, and when I told him that I had not seen it, he emailed me the written Report that had been issued to the public (I would prefer to see the 'real' version which was edited before being given to the media). Click here to read details about what he talked about, if you did not see it either.

It was 6 pages, so I sat down and read it. Rolled my eyes at first, became angry toward the end. What's weird is, throughout this entire aftermath, I have been pretty indifferent. I have not gotten upset really, no anger, nothing. I really think I am still in shock. After reading that report, something in me snapped, and I got ANGRY. I made my first comments to a reporter that really showed how angry I really am about all of this. And I am not looking back in that regard.

Shockingly, the Report states that there was some fault by the Government here. I know. I am still sitting here with my mouth open as well. The Government screws up? And admits it? Of course, following the admission, this was stated "security lapses that led to the near-disaster were not the fault of a single individual or agency".

But, what really made me angry was reading in print about the details. What easily could have been done if the government employees in charge here would have simply DONE THEIR JOBS and followed proper protocol. The jobs that MY, and most Americans, tax dollars pay. Who knows what they earn, but because they were not doing their job properly, my husband and I were almost killed. In any other job in the country, this would constitute being FIRED. Inexcusable. However, our President is going to do nothing, except have them deal internally with this. Report back to him later. Basically, let things just be swept under the rug until Americans kinda forget what happened and we just go back to how things were before. No biggie, right? 8 years have passed since 9-11, so I guess everyone is doing a great job. "Obama didn't tell intelligence officials to change what they're doing. Instead, he told them to just do it better, and faster. He left it to them to figure out how." Why, Mr. President? Because they have done it so well thus far? Don't you think they need a little bit of freaking guidance?

Also, everyone, please note that NOTHING was said about the security issues after we landed, nothing at all said about the well dressed man or the man in orange. Still no video. Notice the video from the Newark incident was ALREADY released, shortly after it occurred.

I really am pretty positive the problem is not going to be fixed based on Obama's report today. I also think the true story of what we saw, and a fix for what happened in Detroit afterwards, will not be talked about.

I wish the government would stop making this about politics. People screwed up. Don't try to protect the current administration by ignoring this.

All I want is an honest investigation. Why is that so difficult?

http://haskellfamily.blogspot.com/2010/ ... eport.html

Kurt Haskell on Fox again.


http://haskellfamily.blogspot.com/2010/ ... erday.html

Napolitano surprised that Al Qaeda using single terrorists in attacks, rather than a whole bunch at once.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... qaeda.html

That woman never ceases to amaze me with her stupidity!!!!