Thread: OUR OPPOSTION: Open Border Website

I know ALIPAC has a thing about posting websites from our oppostion. But knowing our enemy is the first step in winning this fight.
Take a moment of your day to check what the oppostion is planning/saying.

http://www.citizenorange(dot)com/

The first paragraph on the website is full of grammar errors.

Americans for Informed Democracy is holding a video contest, and among them is one of the most powerful DREAM Act video that I've seen. I love it because it's the first DREAM Act videos that I've seen. It connects the need to empathize with undocumented youth, with our privileges as U.S. citizens and the need to stand in solidarity with them.

Sounds to me like they need a high school education first.

You can comment on the video from the website on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3j6pDpP ... om/orange/

Some of the gems from the video:

(3:00) I left my family when I was 16 years old. I left my country in pursuit of the American Dream. I thought I was coming to the land of the free, but instead, I became enslaved. I found discrimination, rejection.

[...]

(8:00) From an "F" to an "NN" to a fake "SS" to an "X" on the convicted space, we become the shadows of the letters that haunt our lives. If I only had that number. If I only had that number. If only had the numbers to stand up and be counted. To let everyone know that what my people reap is not what my people sow. [That] getting an education is just creating a better nation.

Let us be counted as who we are. Let us be counted as what we bring. Let us be counted as our character and not our immigration status. Let us be counted as students because it is our right. Let us be counted as one. Let our voice be heard, so that we can break free from the jails of our dreams and we can act. Don't just let us dream. Let us act.

El Puente DREAM Act Campaign - Obstructed DREAM

Another piece of propaganda from the website:

Video:

http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/11436? ... t=00:53:39

There is no hierarchy of oppressions. It's a phrase I'll state over and over again. Oppressions like racism, sexism, and classism are all links in the chains that cripple humanity. Still, in the fight for migrant emancipation I find it increasingly necessary to focus on the evils of nativism.

Calls of racism are, of course, legitimate in the U.S. migration debate. Far too often it is brown faces that are suffering. Migrant hate is often an outlet for fear of brown people. But it is by fighting and exposing nativism that we will best undercut anti-migrant attitudes in the U.S. (although it could be my whiteness that is leading me to see things this way).

Nativism is the belief that one person is better than another based solely on the country they were born in. The notion that the interests of a U.S. citizen should be put above the interests of all other humans, is a notion that goes unchecked far too much in the U.S. migration debate. Migrant advocates frequently validate it, too, by engaging in the U.S. migration debate from a national, rather than a global lens.

I was reminded of the evils of this "race-blind" nativism in the bloggingheads.tv clip of Mickey Kaus and Robert Wright, I embedded above. Wright and Kaus debate the morality of the recent federal crackdowns on migrants. Several times Wright asks variations of this question of Kaus (time stamp 8:20):


I would just say, try to put yourself in the position of millions and millions of people who are reading these headlines now. They're in the country. They thought they were kind of accepted and more or less appreciated. And now all of the sudden, they're deeply worried and they're wondering, "can I go to the store?" and blah blah blah. There's millions of people in that position in the country right now. Just stop and try to put yourself in their shoes and then repeat to me what you seem to be saying which is, this policy is fine and is not immoral at all.

Robert Wright - BloggingHeads.tv (28 May 2007)


Kaus has no good answer when Wright asks him to put himself inside the shoes of migrants. Kaus tries to make a phony utilitarian argument, whereby this enforcement is inhumane for the people suffering from it, but humane for others that see it and choose to leave the U.S. on their own. We all know that's completely ridiculous.

It's obvious he's bought into the horrifying "attrition through enforcement" policy nativists frequently trumpet, or the misery strategy. There is nothing humane about getting millions of migrants to leave the U.S. on their own. It requires making conditions for migrants in the U.S. worse than the conditions they fled from in the first place. Only in a debate hijacked by nativists does it make sense recreate majority world conditions in the U.S.

I mean nativists have it backwards. The only real solution to the problems association with migration is a more equitable world where people migrate out of want, instead of out of need. The only real solution is to create opportunities in migrants' home countries. Nativists have flipped this debate on it's head and made it so that the solution is recreating the squalor of the majority world in the U.S. Absolute genius.

I've gone on for much longer than I anticipated with this post, but the point I was trying to make, is that no matter how many times Wright asked Kaus to put himself in the shoes of migrants, he couldn't. We didn't even get a Dobbsian, "I've worked in the fields with migrants and respect them" from Kaus.

I can't believe I'm living in a world where we're actually arguing about the morality of these inhumane government tactics.

http://www.citizen orange.com/orange/2008/06/the-nativism-of-mickey-kaus-ex.html#more(close the space between citizen and orange to go there)

Originally Posted by LawEnforcer

I know ALIPAC has a thing about posting websites from our oppostion. But knowing our enemy is the first step in winning this fight.
Take a moment of your day to check what the oppostion is planning/saying.

http://www.citizenorange(dot)com/

We post links to our enemies websites all the time.

We just ask you to disable them so our enemies do not gain any advantages on the search engines because they receive a link from a powerful site like ours.

Do a little google research on Search Engine Optimization or SEO and links and page rank to understand.

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I cannot go there....Im mad enough already. I dont need to add fuel to
the fire! But thats just me.

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