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    White House ‘secede’ petitions reach 675,000 signatures, 50-state participation

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    15 States Including Texas Have Filed A Petition To Secede From The United States
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    White House ‘secede’ petitions reach 675,000 signatures, 50-state participation


    dailycaller.com
    David Martosko
    11.14.2012

    Less than a week after a New Orleans suburbanite petitioned the White House to allow Louisiana to secede from the United States, petitions from seven states have collected enough signatures to trigger a promised review from the Obama administration.

    By 6:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, more than 675,000 digital signatures appeared on 69 separate secession petitions covering all 50 states, according to a Daily Caller analysis of requests lodged with the White House’s “We the People” online petition system.
    A petition from Vermont, where talk of secession is a regular feature of political life, was the final entry.

    Petitions from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas residents have accrued at least 25,000 signatures, the number the Obama administration says it will reward with a staff review of online proposals.

    (RELATED: Will Texas secede? Petition triggers White House review)

    The Texas petition leads all others by a wide margin. Shortly before midnight Tuesday, it had attracted more than 92,400 signatures. But a spokesperson for Gov. Rick Perry said Tuesday afternoon that he does not support the idea of his state striking out on its own.

    “Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it. But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government,” according to a statement from the governor’s office.

    A backlash Monday night saw requests filed with the White House to strip citizenship rights from Americans who signed petitions to help states secede.

    (RELATED: Anti-secession forces fight back with White House deportation petitions)

    And in a similar nose-thumbing aimed at Texas’ conservative majority, progressives from the liberal state capital of Austin responded Monday with a petition to secede from their state if Texas as a whole should decide to leave the Union.

    Late Tuesday a second group of Texans, this one from Houston, lodged their own White House petition. Secession-minded Texans, they wrote, “are mentally deficient and do not want them representing us. We would like more education in our state to eradicate their disease.”

    Houstonian “Kimberly F” — The White House does not provide last names — submitted the petition. She told TheDC in an email that ”[w]e need both sides presented, or we all look like a bunch of fools.”

    A group from El Paso, too, wants no part of an independent Texas. “Allow the city of El Paso to secede from the state of Texas,” their petition reads. “El Paso is tired of being a second class city within Texas.”

    But smaller petitions like hers are a political side show of a political side show. One effort, aimed at Missourians, called for a nationwide catered pizza party to celebrate when the Show Me State left the U.S.

    (RELATED: Pizza party! White House petition silliness gets cheesy)

    States whose active petitions have not yet reached the 25,000 signature threshold include Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.


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    Seceding state occupants, realizing their welfare, social security, and federal retirements would instantly vanish, would renig from being cut off from the federal teet.
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    Another consideration is currency, and how seceded state's new currency would be used in place of The Dollar for bartering.

    This would affect everything from commodities, to mortgages, to business loans and federal and state taxes and everything in between.
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    Lots of difficulties making it near impossible but possible. However for it to happen I'd expect would need at least 20 states united to make it happen.

    The welfare cases would quickly pack up and head for a US remaining state safe haven. Many in current US states who feel disenfranchised yet have a significant enough savings may try and get ties to the new country being formed. I however believe that assuming a large enough group of states ended up banding together they would carry in certain pensions such as military pensions and such along with some new form of SS that would grandfather in most. The thing is to many who are considered patriots get these and the states will rely on those people and families to reform a new country. However any private retirements wouldn't be guaranteed outside the company, and likely many public pensions wouldn't carry over as well. Or so I'd think unless the city or state itself has the money for such secured and wishes to.

    I see no way of it happening without the entire country collapsing and likely leading to some form of civil war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012 View Post
    Lots of difficulties making it near impossible but possible. However for it to happen I'd expect would need at least 20 states united to make it happen.

    The welfare cases would quickly pack up and head for a US remaining state safe haven. Many in current US states who feel disenfranchised yet have a significant enough savings may try and get ties to the new country being formed. I however believe that assuming a large enough group of states ended up banding together they would carry in certain pensions such as military pensions and such along with some new form of SS that would grandfather in most. The thing is to many who are considered patriots get these and the states will rely on those people and families to reform a new country. However any private retirements wouldn't be guaranteed outside the company, and likely many public pensions wouldn't carry over as well. Or so I'd think unless the city or state itself has the money for such secured and wishes to.

    I see no way of it happening without the entire country collapsing and likely leading to some form of civil war.
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    You make some good points, and most of them revolve around currency and debt. The absolute shock of 20 states seceding would be equally felt in Peking, Hong Kong, Saudi Arabia, London, Tokyo and all other finance centers the USA owes money to.

    Can you imagine if China suddenly could not trade with seceded states in U.S. Dollars? What if Alaska seceded among the 20 and suddenly the Alaskan ANWR oil fields (some of the richest in the world) became available to the 20 new nations at a discount rate?

    And for those 20 new nations having seceded, along with that secession would be the instant dissolving and disenfranchising of the (former) US national debt.

    The possibilities are endless, but the American population is so interdependent on the Federal handouts and benefits for free in ALL states it would cause people in the seceding nations to actually have to WORK for a living.

    I think I just solved the riddle ..
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