Thread: WHO has title to the United States of America?

For those people who believe that the White People are the predators in the United States. Remember that throughout history men have conquered and occupied foreign lands, from the beginning of time? The Romans conquered Britain in the 2nd Century and even the native Americans slaughtered each other, for horses, women and children and the possession of land. Do the Norseman have ownership of Southeast England, for they pillaged and raped and settled there? How about the second invasion of England, by William the Conquerer in 1066? Do the French have title to this island? The third Reich under Hitler Invaded Poland and parts of Europe. Does Germany today have title to these countries? Invasion after invasion has been mans manifest destiny since the beginning of time. Alas, it been mans nature to want somebody elses possessions, whether it was his wife; whether it was his castle!

As crude as it was the Pilgrims brought the elements of English Common Law, and therefore lived by its statutes. Without laws we would not have seen the civilisation that exists in this great and wonderful country?

We did not cross the border, the border crossed us?
This slogan requires that we go back in history to the time before and during the presidency of James K. Polk. Present-day Texas was then a part of the Mexican state of Coahuila-Tejas. The Mexican government had invited settlers to that area. In 1835, the people in the northern section of Coahuila-Tejas revolted against the Mexican government and, in 1836, after winning the Battle of San Jacinto, declared themselves the Independent Republic of Texas.

Polk was president from 1845 to 1849. Polk and the Congress wanted to include Texas in the United States. In fact, Congress had made the decision to annex Texas even before Polk was sworn into office. There were various reasons for wanting Texas. (1) There was a fear or expectation that Great Britain or France would claim the territory if America did not. (2) American settlers were already moving westward by wagon trains. Some settlers, especially those in the Independent Republic of Texas, assumed they would one day be a part of the United States. (3) The concept of Manifest Destiny--that America was destined to extend from ocean to ocean--was used to justify the acquisition of more land.

Historians generally agree that Polk manipulated Mexico into war over the ownership of Texas, and that Mexico had a weaker military and a disorganized government. However, Polk had offered to purchase Texas and the present-day areas of New Mexico and California (in the manner of the Louisiana Purchase), but Mexico turned down the offer. Nobody can blame a country for defending its borders but, in trying to understand current illegal immigrant attitudes, it must be stressed that Mexico could have avoided war and loss of life.

The Mexican-American War was fought from 1846 to 1848. It ended with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. America obtained present-day Arizona, California, and New Mexico; as well as sections of Colorado, Nevada, and Utah. And, the Texas border was extended to the Rio Grande River. These lands represented 55 percent of Mexico's territory. What seems to be overlooked by illegal immigrant advocates is that America also paid 15 MILLION DOLLARS to Mexico for war damages incurred by Mexico.

Another overlooked historical fact is the American acquisition of the Oregon Territory under Polk's presidency. Polk was able to negotiate a treaty with Great Britain in which present-day Oregon and Washington were brought under American jurisdiction.

Do illegal immigrants, most of whom never graduated from high school, really understand the history of the Mexican-American War? Or is this common knowledge in their culture? Or is the protest slogan being fed to them by politically astute activists and protest march organizers? What about illegal immigrants from Guatemala, El Salvador, or Ecuador? The United States did not conquer or purchase any lands from those countries. The border-crossed-us slogan can be applied only to Mexican illegal immigrants. This creates a political and social division between two types of illegal immigrants: Mexican and non-Mexican. Or, it cancels out the legitimacy of the slogan.
If any country has legal possession and a deed to these Americas, it has to be the different tribes. However, even those are attributed to have originally entered through the Bering Straights. Outside of that the ROYAL COUNTRY OF SPAIN incarnate could also add a mechanics lien in the way of ownership. But not anything below the Southern border, as they are the indigenous to that longitude.

It was Spain that laid claim to the Amerian Southwest and held on to it for three hundred years. But Mexico revolted against the Spanish crown and thus were on their own--even going through an extremely turbulent twenty years of very brief national governemts. Some of the Thirteen colonies similarly lost land that they had once claimed during the American revolt against the British crown. That is one of the risks of revolutions. And nobody offerd any financial compensation for those losses. Those who disagreed with the Continental Congress took their stuff and left. taking some land in the process. The Texians disagreed with the revolutionary Mexican government and seceded. The Texas territory was hard to hold on to because of raiding Indian tribes. And most of the Southwest was not considerd that deirable in those days, anyway.

A couple more points.

The territories of California and New Mexico which Mexico claimed were not controlled by them, but mainly by American Indians.

A couple of months before the Mexican American war started, the part of California not controlled by American Indians was controlled by Americans and Spanish landowners (the latter called themselves Californios). They were so fed up with no help from Mexico City in stopping Indian and bandito raids or promoting commerce, they revolted and set up the Bear Flag Republic.

In other words in 1846 Mexico had no control over any of the land the US ended up aquiring, basically it really never was under the jurisdiction of Mexico, it was not even theirs to sell.

Then the overall consesus is, that it was a NO-MANS-LAND?

It was up for grabs, by the strongest & powerful?

The perfect solution!

Originally Posted by Casca

Then the overall consesus is, that it was a NO-MANS-LAND?

It was up for grabs, by the strongest & powerful?

The perfect solution!

Pretty much. I would add that in California there were only several thousand Spanish ranchers and missionaries, and their Indian employees -- none Aztecs (Aztlan pfffft). It was poor, unorganized and barely under the control of Mexico City. I think it was only under "Mexican" control for about 30 years. The illegals claim is ridiculous. As I always say: They are not coming here "because it is Mexico," they are coming here because it sure the hell is not.

I do NOT care WHAT those who claim ANY part of OUR country as belonging to MEXICO or ANY OTHER nation say! EVERY SQUARE INCH of territory within OUR borders is AMERCAN country, PERIOD! And, NO, despite what many Mexican invaders and their American cohorts say, this is NOT Mexico because I am NOT a Mexican! I am an AMERICAN--ALWAYS was, am NOW, and always WILL BE!

Originally Posted by Casca

Then the overall consesus is, that it was a NO-MANS-LAND?

It was up for grabs, by the strongest & powerful?

Yes, that's correct.

Its all an exuse to invade the United States and the elites have the uneducated poor believeing all of this BS, alot of these people can not even read and write, all of their information comes from gosip.

Veni Vidi Vici pretty much sums up ALL "land control", on Earth and beyond.

Pro-illegal groups, many of which are run by racist Mexican Americans, want this and that from America, and when they don't get it what do they do? They do what every child does- throw a tantrum until they get what they want. And if that doesn't work, they fill the illegal aliens heads with the absurd idea that the American Southwest belongs to them, which it dosn't.