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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: change.org has cheated!
This is a letter I just sent to Mr. Gheen.
Dear Mr. Gheen,
Something is rotten on President-Elect Obama's website, www.change.gov! Let me explain, please:
I have been keeping track of the immigration enforcement idea which ALIPAC pointed out at www.change.gov recently. The issue received many votes, topping over 1,100 the last time I looked which was in the evening on December 31, 2008. In fact, the enforcement idea on that website was, then, in second place and from what I could discern, it was still receiving votes.
I am also on a mailing list for the Immigration Solidarity Network ("ISN"), signing up under the belief that it is better to keep as close an eye as possible on the antics of the pro-amnesty crowd and this is one way to do it. At 8:31 p.m. on December 31, 2008, an email came to me from ISN, a letter from policy@nclr.org urging everyone to go to www.change.gov to vote for pro-illegal alien/amnesty ideas because "nativists" had taken over the issue. In support of their claim that "nativists" had "gotten hold of" the campaign, they provided a copy of ALIPAC's notice which had been sent out the day before. Please let me know if you would like me to forward this letter from NCLR and I will immediately do so.
As you know, the three "ideas" in different categories with the most votes would "win" as the top 10 ideas for America. Today, the enforcement idea is NOWHERE TO BE SEEN among the 3 winning ideas under Immigration! The current second place idea has only 1,011 votes, far behind the more than 1,100 votes the pro-enforcement idea had late on the evening of 12-31! Is there any way to investigate this and/or publicize the unscrupulous, deceitful behavior of NCLR and Change.gov?
Welcome Tish! I understand your frustration, but www.change.gov is not Obama's website. If you type in http://change.gov you will get the official website of the transition team. While I have not investigated the www website is a scam, IMO.
Welcome Tish! I understand your frustration, but www.change.gov is not Obama's website. If you type in http://change.gov you will get the official website of the transition team. While I have not investigated the www website is a scam, IMO.
Don't they both go to the same place? _________________ All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. -Edmund Burke
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:47 pm Post subject:
patbrunz wrote:
vortex wrote:
Welcome Tish! I understand your frustration, but www.change.gov is not Obama's website. If you type in http://change.gov you will get the official website of the transition team. While I have not investigated the www website is a scam, IMO.
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:10 pm Post subject: Oooops....
vortex wrote:
Welcome Tish! I understand your frustration, but www.change.gov is not Obama's website. If you type in http://change.gov you will get the official website of the transition team. While I have not investigated the www website is a scam, IMO.
You're right, Vortex. It was www.change.org, not change.gov. Sorry 'bout that!
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:15 pm Post subject:
It's Change.gov This is the website of the Obama transition team. The govt. first rejected their request for the .gov designation because it was "political." The www is a standard designation that means world wide web. It's a part of all websites whether it's visible or not.
Yes, I did, stupid me. Change.ORG says nothing about not being Obama's website and displays on the homepage, "What's your idea for how the Obama Administration should change America?" I think many people mistakenly believe this is Obama's website.
I remember seeing "Enforce our Immigration Laws" with 1338 votes. It was running approximately 350 votes ahead of the third place idea for the entire day, but dropped to about 320 votes ahead towards the close.. _________________ "Men of low degree are vanity, Men of high degree are a lie. " David
I remember seeing "Enforce our Immigration Laws" with 1338 votes. It was running approximately 350 votes ahead of the third place idea for the entire day, but dropped to about 320 votes ahead towards the close..
BUT, the second place "winner" today has only 1,011 votes, 227 votes behind what you saw "Enforce our Existing Immigration Laws" at. The contest was clearly rigged.
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:30 pm Post subject:
change.govis the web site for the Obama transition team.
These are two unrelated sites just like alipac.us and alipac.net are unrealted.
change.orgis NOT THE OBAMA TRANSITION TEAM SITE.
change.org was just set up by who knows who. They have no connection to the Obama site as far as I can tell. On their site under "History" they call themselves a social entrepreneurship. V****V? is that? So any poll on change.org is just like ....has no meaning. They can send the results to Obama, but then we could do a poll and send it to. I dont place much importance in change.org.
Tonight, December 31, 2008, at midnight, Change.org will be closing first-round voting for their "Top 10 Ideas for America." Ultimately, they will be presenting the final "Top 10 Ideas" to the Obama Administration on Inauguration Day and building a national campaign to advance these ideas in Congress, leveraging Change.org, MySpace, and other partner organizations.
The nativists have, unfortunately, gotten hold of Change.org's campaign. Below, you will find a message that is being circulated by the Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC) encouraging their members to vote for their idea: Enforce Our Immigration Laws. Thanks to their efforts, ALIPAC's idea has the second highest number of votes in the immigration category at present, meaning that their proposed enforcement will represent the voice of America to the new Administration. Passing the "Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act" (DREAM Act) is also one of the top three ideas in the immigration category, but we need to ensure that it is accompanied by two other sound ideas; the top three ideas from the first round will be carried over into the second round of voting.
We need supporters to vote and comment before midnight tonight.
We encourage you to vote in support of the following:
Pass the DREAM Act
Comprehensive Immigration Reform
Provide relief for families of immigrants
Bring the Family Immigration System into the 21st Century
Equal Immigration Rights for Same Sex Binational Couples
Once you are signed into your account, click on the "vote" box next to the idea you would like to vote for. If you do not have an account with Change.org, you can sign up here: http://www.change.org and then access the voting pages.
Remember that first-round voting closes at midnight tonight. Please vote. Then tweak this email as you see fit, and forward it to your networks, family, and friends, or invite them to vote by way of the "email friends" feature on Change.org.
Thank you for your help, and we wish you a happy New Year!
-NCLR
-----Original Message-----
From: ALIPAC
Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:56 pm
Subject: Immediate Online Votes Against Amnesty Needed
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Friends of ALIPAC,
Sorry for the short notice, but we need immediate online votes for the suggestion to the Obama transition team titled, "Enforce Our Immigration Laws"
You will have to create an account to vote, but please proceed to the following link and vote for "Enforce Our Existing Immigration Laws"
You vote by creating an account, signing in and clicking on the vote totals box to the left of the post title.
After you have registered your vote, you can circulate this poll to others by using this e-mail or the e-mail friends feature.
We are asking you to vote for this post because the suggestions that get the top three vote totals move on to the second round.
Currently, the pro-amnesty people are winning.
You can see the latest scores by selecting "Browse Ideas By Cause" on the right and selecting immigration.
At the time of this email
1. " Pass the DREAM Act Now!" is in first place with 1,648 votes
2. "Equal Immigration Rights for same sex binational couples" is in position 2 with 670 votes
3. "Provide relief for families of immigrants" with 525 votes
4. "Stop the Raids" 446
5. "Enforce Our Existing Immigration Laws" 384 votes
Please vote for "Enforce Our Existing Immigration Laws" and get as many others to do so quickly as you can.
All allied groups are encouraged to notify their e-mail lists of supporters about this effort.
Activists can further assist by posting comments after voting expressing why Amnesty is a bad idea and enforcement is a good idea.
Thank you for the help.
The ALIPAC Team
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< span id="sIFR_replacement_0_alternate" class="sIFR-alternate">Issue: Immigration
Top Rated Ideas | Most Recent Ideas
2121
Pass the DREAM Act Now!
Every year, thousands of undocumented American students graduate from college and high school, and face a roadblock to their dreams -- they can't drive, can't work legally, can't get loans or establish credit, can't further their education, and can't contribute to th...
- Dream ACTivist (MA Graduate DREAMer - Blogger), San Francisco, CA
807 comments currently 1st place in Immigration submitted Nov 24
1289
Enforce Our Immigration Laws
Enforce the laws of this country first and formost. Stop pandering to the illegal alien by agreeing with them that the ICE raids must stop. ICE must keep doing their job and they need to deport all illegal aliens who are working here illegally and breakin...
- Joan Tofanelli (Housekeeper in a hospital, )
707 comments currently 2nd place in Immigration submitted Dec 04
949
Equal Immigration Rights for same sex binational couples
Right now, a gay American whose partner is a foreigner have no way of sponsoring their foreign partner for a green card in order for them to stay together in the united states. Heterosexual couples where one partner is a foreigner can easily apply for a green...
- Amos Lim (community organizer), San Francisco, CA
54 comments currently 3rd place in Immigration submitted Dec 02
791
Provide relief for families of immigrants
Millions of undocumented immigrants reside in the U.S. Every year thousands of them enter into a family relationship with an American, often through marriage. Contrary to what many believe, when an undocumented immigrant marries a U.S. citizen, the path to legalizat...
- Laura Fernandez (law student)
183 comments currently 4th place in Immigration submitted Dec 01
708
Stop the Raids
Immigration raids grew from two roots: the need for a newly-created DHS to justify its multi-billion dollar budget and the frustration of George Bush at his inability to pass comprehensive immigration reform (CIR) through charm and Rovian armtwisting. Withou...
- Dave Bennion (an immigration attorney and activist)
89 comments currently 5th place in Immigration submitted Nov 06
320
Crack Down On Immigration!
I am an American Citizen. I was born in California and have never lived anywhere else. In California there are people of other nationalities sneaking onto American Soil to birth Children that have no American parents so that those children are entitled to Health Care...
- D S (American Citizen), Redding, CA
22 comments currently 6th place in Immigration submitted Dec 03
320
Comprehensive Immigration
Creating and implementing a comprehensive immigration reform that includes both a path to citizenship for the productive undocumented members of our society that are currently living in the shadows and the dream act.
- Julie P (Graduate Student)
6 comments currently 6th place in Immigration submitted Dec 01
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject:
Who cares what change.org has to say? They are basically a bunch of enviromental whackos! People have to be nuts that won't even acknowledge the temperature hasn't warmed in over a decade and we are in a cooling period of at least 30 years, just like the same 4 previous documented cycles. I'm so SICK of this scam!
Thanks, mkfarnam!! I'm glad to be here. I've been on the receiving end of ALIPAC's newsletters for quite a while but just made my way to the forum today.
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject:
Tish wrote:
Thanks, mkfarnam!! I'm glad to be here. I've been on the receiving end of ALIPAC's newsletters for quite a while but just made my way to the forum today.
The receiving end? I don't quite understand. _________________ ---------------------------------------------------
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