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    Chief:Cops enforcing SB1070 sure to be accused of profiling

    Chief: Cops enforcing SB 1070 are sure to be accused of profiling
    Brian J. Pedersen, Arizona Daily Star, and Howard Fischer, Capitol Media Services | Posted: Friday, July 2, 2010 12:00 am

    PHOENIX - Police officers were warned Thursday that they probably will be accused of racial profiling when they enforce the state's new immigration law, no matter what they do.

    The caution was issued by Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villaseñor in a training video released by the Arizona Police Officers Standards and Training Board. It spells out what officers should look for to determine if there is "reasonable suspicion" to believe someone they've stopped for other reasons is in this country illegally. SB 1070 is set to take effect July 29.

    Villaseñor, who has been critical of the law, said all his officers will get the message on how to properly enforce the law, but at a cost, because he will have to pay them overtime to watch the 90-minute video and take part in a two- to three-hour discussion and Q&A session.

    And Beverly Ginn, an attorney who explains the law, stresses in the video that race, national origin or ethnicity, by law, cannot be used as factors in determining who is legal.

    "We will be ready. We will be enforcing this law," Villaseñor said in announcing a series of SB 1070 training sessions. "Once this law is in effect, it will be our obligation to enforce it."

    But he cautioned: "Without a doubt, we are going to be accused of racial profiling, no matter what we do on this. The best thing we can do is document thoroughly where we develop our reasonable suspicion or probable cause."

    The video warns officers that they will be under very close scrutiny.

    "On one side are people who are anxious to show that Arizona officers will racially profile Hispanic people under this new law," warned Lyle Mann, the state board's executive director. "Officers should expect to have field tests set up by activists who want to catch you in conduct they believe will help their causes."

    But Mann also noted the law allows any legal resident of the state to sue over any policy that restricts or limits the ability of police to enforce federal immigration laws. He said that while it is doubtful a decision by an individual officer would constitute a policy, that would open the door to a suit, and "much is uncertain at this point."

    Villaseñor said the Tucson Police Department command staff will be trained Tuesday, and officers will be required to attend one of 17 sessions scheduled between next Friday and July 29. He said TPD will use resources it hadn't budgeted for to pay for the overtime.

    The Pima County Sheriff's Department also plans training sessions for its officers, though there are no plans for additional training beyond the video, Capt. Chris Radtke said. Most of what SB 1070 mandates are things his department already does, he said, so the video will serve as a refresher.

    "This is not something new to us," he said, noting that the department arrests more illegal immigrants than any other law enforcement agency in Southern Arizona. "We encounter this every day."

    Despite efforts to alleviate concerns about racial profiling, critics remain vocal. Jon O'Neill, of the Arizona chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, pointed out the training video is voluntary.

    "There is no guarantee that any officer who would be enforcing SB 1070 will see it," he said. O'Neill said his organization won't comment beyond that, because what's in the video is likely to become part of the legal challenge to the law that the ACLU already has filed.

    A hearing on that challenge is set for July 22.

    In the video, Ginn warns: "The reality is that the ethnic mix of our community is such that race tells you nothing about whether or not a person is unlawfully in the United States," adding that the same is true of ethnicity.

    Ginn said the best course for officers to follow is to ask for identification in the circumstances in which they would normally make such a request. She said that if individuals have one of the acceptable forms of ID, including an Arizona driver's license, a tribal ID card or another document that requires proof of legal presence in the country to obtain, "that's the end of your inquiry."

    If someone doesn't have acceptable identification, Ginn said, officers can consider factors such as fleeing, engaging in evasive maneuvers, an inability to provide a home address, or having a foreign vehicle registration.

    Location also is a factor, she said, with police being allowed to consider whether the person is in an area where illegal immigrants regularly gather and look for work. And she said how a person is dressed or an inability to speak English can be among the factors considered.

    Although she didn't elaborate, Hippolito Acosta, a former federal immigration officer who is now a consultant, said clothing inconsistent with weather conditions might indicate a recent arrival in the area. And while not speaking English, by itself, is not enough, it can contribute to other factors.

    No matter how closely officers follow the guidelines, Villaseñor believes they're going to be accused of profiling.

    "I think the public's perception and the public's interpretation of racial profiling are going to increase," Villaseñor said. "I am absolutely certain there are going to be accusations of racial profiling, no matter what we do."

    And because the law requires verification of legal status only when "reasonably practicable," Villaseñor said he is telling his officers to use their judgment to decide if there is something more important they should be doing.

    Contact reporter Brian J. Pedersen at bjp@azstarnet.com or 573-4242
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    In the case of a traffic stop.....ask "EVERYONE" for proof...... black ..white..brown...green...yellow
    On the way back from Arizona last Christmas, I was stopped at a checkpoint.....I gladly showed my ID....and thanked the Police officer...

    I do not see a problem with showing your ID.......unless you don't have any
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    Am I missing something here?

    Isn't it normal for police to ask for ID on every traffic stop now?


    "The video warns officers that they will be under very close scrutiny."
    So what , Isn't it a part of federal law that agents can ask anyone for any reason for ID or their status? , I was under the impression that states could mirror federal laws on immigration?

    This profiling thing is nuts , Hispanics are the biggest violators of immigration laws , Isn't criminal profiling an acceptable tool?

    I'm not getting it , If a cop suspects someone is illegal and asks for id , they either have it or they don't , WHATS THE BIG DEAL ,

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    Law enforcement is already accused of racial profiling so it is really nothing new there. Yes, the accusations of racial profiling will increase as the obls and special interests groups step up their efforts to derail the new law.

    It's going to get interesting!
    As Aristotle said, “Tolerance and apathy are the first virtue of a dying civilization.â€

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    Arizona Cops

    Arizona Cops are going to be set up the first couple days the law goes into effect, if it makes it there. The open-borders crowd already has plans for framing cops with racial-profiling instances. Alot is riding on this and they will put every effort in to block or sabatoge it.

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    The AZ law really isn't that different from what all law enforcement officers are permitted to do, nation wide. Any police office can ask for your ID and inquire of your immigration status. No law prevents this, although some cities may have restrictions.

    Law enforcement agencies SHOULD have written procedures on how to properly conduct a traffic stop or make a legal contact, without racial profiling. These procedures should also detail how they deal with illegal residents.

    I have a copy of the Ohio State Patrols (OSP) written procedures. They are quite detailed and are a blueprint for how an OSP officer must perform his/her job.

    The OSP also tracks the race of residents it stops and compares that to the actual population. If any officer detains too many residents of any specific nationality, his performance is reviewed, to insure he isn't racially profiling.

    OSP supervisors also randomly review video tapes of traffic stops, to insure officers conduct "legal" stops according to written procedures.

    Most big cities and sheriff depts have written policies. Training is on going.

    I'm hoping all law enforcement officers in AZ, go by the book, and conduct their "legal contact" with all residents based on conduct, not dress, race, religion, hair style, grammar, accent,, etc.

    I have no doubt certain individuals will purposefully get arrested, so they can claim they were profiled. I'm sure they will have their own "witnesses". Hopefully, most of the legal stops will be on video tape.

    Most law enforcement officers want to perform their job in a professional manner.

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