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Campus e-mail sent to all students, faculty and staff on Wednesday, April 15, 2009, by Chancellor Thorp
I want to express how disappointed I am in what happened last night when former Congressman Tom Tancredo wasn't able to speak when a protest got out of hand, and our Department of Public Safety had to take action. Congressman Tancredo felt threatened and left without making his remarks.
Mr. Tancredo was scheduled to speak about immigration. We expect protests about controversial subjects at Carolina. That's part of our culture. But we also pride ourselves on being a place where all points of view can be expressed and heard. There's a way to protest that respects free speech and allows people with opposing views to be heard. Here that's often meant that groups protesting a speaker have displayed signs or banners, silently expressing their opinions while the speaker had his or her say. That didn't happen last night.
On behalf of our University community, I called Mr. Tancredo today to apologize for how he was treated. In addition, our Department of Public Safety is investigating this incident. They will pursue criminal charges if any are warranted. Our Division of Student Affairs is also investigating student involvement in the protest. If that investigation determines sufficient evidence, participating students could face Honor
Court proceedings.
Carolina's tradition of free speech is a fundamental part of what has made this place special for more than 200 years. Let's recommit ourselves to that ideal.
Yes! This is exactly what we hoped to hear. Yes, we need them to eventually focus in on the staff involved because I could tell at the event that many of the professors helping the protesters were ring leaders.
Joined: Nov 21, 2006 Posts: 11843 Location: DFW, Texas
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject:
ALIPAC wrote:
Yes! This is exactly what we hoped to hear. Yes, we need them to eventually focus in on the staff involved because I could tell at the event that many of the professors helping the protesters were ring leaders.
This is a major break through!
W
on one of the many links, i posted a geography professor contact info anlong with a few lines of the bio. she was chating about columbus and someone else,.
Yes it is. And they should start their investigation with the Romance Languages Department, specifically Tyler Oakley in their Spanish Department who is a teacher assistant and on the adminstrative staff of the department in charge of "publications".
"UNC graduate student Tyler Oakley, who had organized the protest, said he regretted the broken window but not silencing Tancredo. "He was not able to practice his hate speech," said Oakley. "You have to respect the right of people to assemble and collectively speak.""
Tyler is the one who broke the window. It could have cut and injured that girl. Tyler needs to be relieved of all paid positions and removed from campus for at least a year.
Sorry, Tyler, but you're not a green horn freshman who doesn't know how to act. You're a grad student, a teacher assistant, an administrator, a leader without common sense, any loyalty to our country or its values, no respect for our educational institutions, and no deserving to be overlooked with a reprimand. You organized this to promote illegal immigration to create a demand for bilingual services to promote your own self-interest and profit from breaking our immigration laws, as I'm sure so did your comrades, the same self interest behind El Pueblo, National Council of La Raza, the entire Open Borders Lobby and all pro-illegal alien advocates.
How dare you think you have the right to "silence" anyone in a country founded on free speech, you dumb little greedy self-serving hick. _________________ "A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation." Ronald Reagan "SAVE AMERICA, DEPORT CONGRESS." Judy
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Why do I think that half the illegal supporting kids at this protest would have a much different view if they had a few years in the real world, paying taxes, possibly losing jobs to illegal workers, having to sit with a major health problem at the ER while an illegal gets checked for a cold, etc, etc, etc...
Life is different in the real world for most people, which obviously many of the protesters have never known or even seen firsthand...
Yes! This is exactly what we hoped to hear. Yes, we need them to eventually focus in on the staff involved because I could tell at the event that many of the professors helping the protesters were ring leaders.
This is a major break through!
W
I think your're absolutely right. This is bigger than people really think.
Our Division of Student Affairs is also investigating student involvement in the protest. If that investigation determines sufficient evidence, participating students could face Honor
Court proceedings.
I believe the following may apply to this (there could be more in the link below; this is what I found after a brief review):
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C. Student Conduct Adversely Affecting Members of University Community or the University.
It shall be the responsibility of every student enrolled at the University of North Carolina to refrain from conduct that impairs or may impair the right of all members of the University community to learn and thrive in a safe and respectful environment; or the capacity of University and associated personnel to perform their duties, manage resources, protect the safety and welfare of members of the University community, and maintain the integrity of the University. To these ends, no student or student group shall engage in conduct, or assist another in conduct, that adversely affects or creates a substantial risk of adversely affecting University interests including but not limited to the following:
...
k. Engaging in violent, forceful, threatening, intimidating, or disruptive conduct, or inciting others to engage in such individual or collective conduct, that willfully disrupts any normal operation, function, or activity of the University or any of its organizations, personnel, or guests.
l. Engaging in conduct, or inciting others to engage in conduct that improperly restrains freedom of movement, speech, assembly, or access to premises or activities by any individual who is a member of the University community or guest of the University or of any of its organizations in connection with that individual’s performance of legitimate activities or duties within or at the University.
...
2. Conduct Affecting Property.
a. Stealing, destroying, damaging or misusing property belonging to the University or another individual or entity.
Joined: Nov 21, 2006 Posts: 11843 Location: DFW, Texas
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:05 pm Post subject:
"UNC graduate student Tyler Oakley, who had organized the protest, said he regretted the broken window but not silencing Tancredo. "He was not able to practice his hate speech," said Oakley. "You have to respect the right of people to assemble and collectively speak.""
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Reading this quote, i have to wonder, IS HE A HYPOCRITE?
one place he says he has no regrest silencing Tasncredo but then says everyone has a right to assemble and speak
"UNC graduate student Tyler Oakley, who had organized the protest, said he regretted the broken window but not silencing Tancredo. "He was not able to practice his hate speech," said Oakley. "You have to respect the right of people to assemble and collectively speak.""
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Reading this quote, i have to wonder, IS HE A HYPOCRITE?
one place he says he has no regrest silencing Tasncredo but then says everyone has a right to assemble and speak
Anything that doesn't fall inline with his beliefs, of course is "hate speech"
Joined: Sep 01, 2006 Posts: 1171 Location: U.S.A.- for legal citizens, not illegals!
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: UNC Chancellor Responds to Tancredo Protest
apropos wrote:
participating students could face Honor
Court proceedings.
"Could" face honor court proceedings. In other words, nothing will happen to them. _________________ The National Council of LaRaza is the largest hate group.
Joined: Mar 30, 2006 Posts: 10276 Location: Joliet, Il
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject:
I hope they take this to the inth degree, because this nonsense has to stop. I went to a liberal college and we never had anything like this happen. If you didn't like what a speaker was saying, you didn't go to the event. Period. God help this country if that's the future. I did note there were some students who were shocked and very appologetic about that barbaric behavior......atleast there's some decent people left.
Joined: Mar 30, 2006 Posts: 10276 Location: Joliet, Il
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject:
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"Could" face honor court proceedings. In other words, nothing will happen to them.
They should be expelled. If it's not serious enough, I hate to think what future events would be like. They crossed the line and that can't be tolerated.
They should be expelled. If it's not serious enough, I hate to think what future events would be like. They crossed the line and that can't be tolerated.
This is a win/win for our side either way. If they punish those that stifled free speech, great! If they don't do anything to the students/faculty it could still be a win for our side in the future. I honestly think the coverage of this situation is bolstering our side of the debate far further than it got the protesters side.
If the school enacts no discipline the students will surely act the same way again. If we ever want some more headlines, documentation, video, or audio of how illegal supporters act all we need to do is schedule another event at UNC
Joined: Jan 05, 2007 Posts: 171 Location: The World
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:09 pm Post subject: And there's another fellow traveller UNC-CH professor
Check out the bumper sticker promoting a book authored by UNC-CH School of Journalism Professor Paul Cuadros for the incoming 2009 UNC-CH freshman "optional" (formerly mandatory) summer reading program. Mr. Cuadros is the son of Peruvian immigrants and got his street cred in the rough and tumble alleys of Chicago as a "community organizer". . . See a pattern here? Now that he has moved South and adopted a more gentrified approach to life, new hobbies include coaching Siler City Hispanic soccer and using the Raleigh News & Observer as a privileged platform to falsely accuse the Pittsboro (Chapel Hill-South) Police Dept. of racial profiling.
The N&O killed the above link to the piece Cuadros authored describing his alleged victimization by racial profiling at the hands of the Pittsboro police in December 2008. As of the moment he has not shown any inclination to pursue the allegations that he waited to disclose in the N&O in mid February 2009. Cuadros is a regular columnist publishing in the N&O Chapel Hill edition.
But look at that Carolina Blue Freshman Summer Reading Program bumper sticker language!--"Read, think, question, discuss" We sure had a lot of that going on last night, didn't we? And we don't have any self-serving faculty at UNC-CH either, do we?
Our Division of Student Affairs is also investigating student involvement in the protest. If that investigation determines sufficient evidence, participating students could face Honor
Court proceedings.
I believe the following may apply to this (there could be more in the link below; this is what I found after a brief review):
---
C. Student Conduct Adversely Affecting Members of University Community or the University.
It shall be the responsibility of every student enrolled at the University of North Carolina to refrain from conduct that impairs or may impair the right of all members of the University community to learn and thrive in a safe and respectful environment; or the capacity of University and associated personnel to perform their duties, manage resources, protect the safety and welfare of members of the University community, and maintain the integrity of the University. To these ends, no student or student group shall engage in conduct, or assist another in conduct, that adversely affects or creates a substantial risk of adversely affecting University interests including but not limited to the following:
...
k. Engaging in violent, forceful, threatening, intimidating, or disruptive conduct, or inciting others to engage in such individual or collective conduct, that willfully disrupts any normal operation, function, or activity of the University or any of its organizations, personnel, or guests.
l. Engaging in conduct, or inciting others to engage in conduct that improperly restrains freedom of movement, speech, assembly, or access to premises or activities by any individual who is a member of the University community or guest of the University or of any of its organizations in connection with that individual’s performance of legitimate activities or duties within or at the University.
...
2. Conduct Affecting Property.
a. Stealing, destroying, damaging or misusing property belonging to the University or another individual or entity.
Yes! This is exactly what we hoped to hear. Yes, we need them to eventually focus in on the staff involved because I could tell at the event that many of the professors helping the protesters were ring leaders.
This is a major break through!
W
Absolutely, the teacher who was yelling about the taser and pepper spray was one of them. _________________ The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing- Albert Einstein
"UNC graduate student Tyler Oakley, who had organized the protest, said he regretted the broken window but not silencing Tancredo. "He was not able to practice his hate speech," said Oakley. "You have to respect the right of people to assemble and collectively speak.""
Did that person really make this comment
Quote:
You have to respect the right of people to assemble and collectively speak
which is exactly what he stopped Tom Tancredo from doing?
That Oakley person must not be playing with a full deck.
"UNC graduate student Tyler Oakley, who had organized the protest, said he regretted the broken window but not silencing Tancredo. "He was not able to practice his hate speech," said Oakley. "You have to respect the right of people to assemble and collectively speak.""
Did that person really make this comment
Quote:
You have to respect the right of people to assemble and collectively speak
which is exactly what he stopped Tom Tancredo from doing?
That Oakley person must not be playing with a full deck.
He is like all leftist extremists, he believes only he and his gang have the right to free speech. They pretty much did themselves in when they pulled this stunt. I am very proud of Tom and W for the way they conducted themselves. _________________ The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing- Albert Einstein
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