Thread: Mormon Church/Media Condemn Prosecuting Illegals

Mormon Church/Media Condemn Prosecuting Illegals



Officer Dunman was on routine bike patrol in the downtown area when he was struck and killed instantly by an illegal alien, Cruz-Silva. The fugitive was arrested and charged, then released on bail after the Hispanic community claimed discrimination. The defendant fled to Mexico where he is believed to be hiding today.Rep. Stephen Sandstrom represents the city of Orem, Utah in the Utah State Legislature. Unlike the Mormon Church and the Utah media, Sandstrom can connect the dots between illegal aliens and other crimes (like the one above) committed against the people of Utah.

"Rep. Stephen Sandstrom, R-Orem, told the Deseret News Monday he's started work on drafting a bill for the 2011 Utah legislative session that uses the Arizona statute as a model — a move he said is necessary to stanch the flow of illegal immigrants into the Beehive State.

"It is imperative that we pass similar legislation here in Utah," Sandstrom said. "In the past, when we've seen tougher legislation in Arizona … a lot of illegal immigrants just move here." (Source) http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7000 ... zonas.html

Simply stated, Sandstrom wants local law enforcement to arrest and detain those individuals that cannot provide proof of U.S. citizenship when stopped and questioned for a suspected crime.

"If you get pulled over for driving intoxicated, what's the first thing the officer asks for?" Sandstrom said. "Your ID, right? This is the same thing, the same work police officers are already doing … asking for documentation that relates to probable cause." (Ibid)

New York City law enforcement began a program that targeted minor offenders under the belief that these individuals are the most likely to commit major crimes. "New York City Police Department Commissioner Bill Bratton, adopted an aggressive enforcement-deterrent strategy based on James Q. Wilson's "Broken Windows" approach. This involved crackdowns on relatively minor offenses such as graffiti, turnstile jumping, cannabis possession, and aggressive "squeegeemen", on the theory that this would send a message that order would be maintained." (Source) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani

If Utah's Illegal Immigrants faced the risk of deportation for the commission of even a minor crime, it would prove to be a major deterrant and could have a huge impact on major crimes like gang activity, narcotics trafficking, etc. The theory being that those who disobey the big laws are more likely to disobey the small ones as well. In other words, Sandstrom's proposal would have a huge impact on crimes committed by Illegal Immigrants.

Which is why the Mormon Church's opposition to this common-sense initiative defies all logic. The Mormon owned media claims:

"SALT LAKE CITY -- The Utah lawmaker who's sponsoring a controversial bill that would require officers to detain people they suspect are illegal immigrants is coming to the defense of the fiscal note attached to the bill.

The Legislative Fiscal Analysts Office says HB70 could cost local governments between $5.3 million and $11.3 million to enforce... Analysts say the costs associated with the bill come from the amount of time it would take officers to investigate immigration status. Critics, including some in police agencies, worry about what it will cost in hours away from other law enforcement duties." (Source) http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=14302084

What the Mormon-owned media failed to address was the costs associated with permitting Illegal Aliens to run amock in the Beehive State:

"conservative estimates in 2010 put Utah's state and local cost expenditures on illegal immigrants at $453 million, according to an article by the Federation for American Immigration Reform. Conversely, estimates put the property, sales and income taxes collected from illegal immigrants in Utah at $31.1 million. There is certainly a massive cost incurred by the Utah taxpayers in regards to supporting illegal immigrants within the state." (Source) http://www.dailyutahchronicle.com/opini ... -1.2456574

Illegal Aliens benefit large Mormon employers like the Marriott Corporation, not the people of Utah. Critics that argue that the Mormon Church is too heavily influenced by its larger donors will undoubtedly cite its opposition to Sandstrom's law as a case in point. In the end, it really boils down to obeying and sustaining the laws of the land, something the Church teaches and requires of its general membership.

Currently, the law of the land states that no one should be in this country illegally.

http://www.moneyteachers.org/Utah+Illegals.htm

I guess they also condemn the concepts of Countries/Nations and Sovereignty of course...

No thank you.

We are not cattle...

This is why I don't trust Romney, Glen Beck and Orin Hatch. Their religious beliefs are why they cannot be trusted on the illegal immigration issue.

It seems that most Catholic politicians don't follow the tenants of their church - especially on abortion, but of course they love the illegals. But not for religious reasons, additional voters.

No wonder AZ and Utah have such big problems with illegals.

Officer Dunman was on routine bike patrol in the downtown area when he was struck and killed instantly by an illegal alien, Cruz-Silva. The fugitive was arrested and charged, then released on bail after the Hispanic community claimed discrimination. The defendant fled to Mexico where he is believed to be hiding today.

Let's ask Officer Dunman's family if they are willing to turn the other cheek! I wonder who posted Cruz-Silva's bail? I hope it's a fellow illegal and that now they have lost everything by bailing that POS out of jail. Whomever signed his bail should now be held accountable for the murder of Officer Dunman as an accessory after the fact, for aiding and abetting the evasion of prosecution!

Originally Posted by GaPatriot

This is why I don't trust Romney, Glen Beck and Orin Hatch. Their religious beliefs are why they cannot be trusted on the illegal immigration issue.

It seems that most Catholic politicians don't follow the tenants of their church - especially on abortion, but of course they love the illegals. But not for religious reasons, additional voters.

Well, I wouldn't judge individuals by the heirarchy of the church that they belong to (even though I am not a big fan of the politicians you mentioned). The Catholic Church is a huge supporter of illegal immigration. But I don't think that means Pat Buchanan is.

The Mormon and Catholic church both tend to take on the part of the bleeding hearts and the so called underdog. They need to open their eyes and also realize that illegal means you broke the law. Any church who supports the actions of this dirtbag who killed the officer needs to rethink their morals and ethics.

Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic

Originally Posted by GaPatriot

This is why I don't trust Romney, Glen Beck and Orin Hatch. Their religious beliefs are why they cannot be trusted on the illegal immigration issue.

It seems that most Catholic politicians don't follow the tenants of their church - especially on abortion, but of course they love the illegals. But not for religious reasons, additional voters.

Well, I wouldn't judge individuals by the heirarchy of the church that they belong to (even though I am not a big fan of the politicians you mentioned). The Catholic Church is a huge supporter of illegal immigration. But I don't think that means Pat Buchanan is.

You're right. Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, William Bennet, John Boehner, Phyllis Schafley, etc. have strong views against illegal immigration. Glenn Beck was raised catholic. He converted to the mormon faith after his second marriage.

Originally Posted by BillCunnane

The Mormon and Catholic church both tend to take on the part of the bleeding hearts and the so called underdog. They need to open their eyes and also realize that illegal means you broke the law. Any church who supports the actions of this dirtbag who killed the officer needs to rethink their morals and ethics.

They need to start thinking about their fellow Americans who are taking a back seat to the illegal aliens!!!!!!!!! Lets take for example, the American kids of AZ who can't move forward in their classes because the teachers have to teach non-English speakers English! Or the unemployed and underemployed American parents in this state who cannot apply for child care assistance or medicaid for their kids. Why? Because AZ is completely broke and can no longer help their own citizens due to all the illegals taking advantage. Oh I could keep going, the list goes on and on!!!!

Move to new section for Americans Killed By illegals.