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    Pledge Of ALLegiance Ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL

    Federal Judge Declares Pledge of Allegiance in School Unconstitutional
    NewsMax.com Wires
    Wednesday, Sept. 14, 2005
    SAN FRANCISCO -- The Pledge of Allegiance was ruled unconstitutional Wednesday by a federal judge who granted legal standing to two families represented by an atheist whose previous attempt to get the pledge out of public schools was rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court.

    This is breaking news. So far this is all we have.

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    Fine. You want to throw out the Pledge of Allegiance

    Well, guess what. I'll do the same with any DRAFT NOTICE that you send to our house.

    And this is the problem. There are so many people in this country whose allegiance is not with the United States that a judge can get away with this. If that were not the case a judge would thrown this case out in a heartbeat. Then go find THEM to fight the damn wars for this country. Go and find the little whimps who are afraid of two words, "Under God" and let them fight the bloody wars. The USA will lose in the first hour because if they're afraid of God, then they're going to run like scared rabbits from any enemy.

    You know what? I think I'll blame George Bush for this too, because he's the one who turned the hose on which is being used to water this country down and turn it into a big mud puddle.

    Hillary, Bill, John, Ted, you all must be tickled pink. This is the America you've always wanted. But I still want to blame GWB too.

    If we ever get a draft notice the way things are going, I'll write: "Return to Sender, wrong household, we are illegal, there must be some mistake, you must be looking for a Legal American. Not here " And I'll write it in Spanish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegalUSCitizen
    Fine. You want to throw out the Pledge of Allegiance

    Well, guess what. I'll do the same with any DRAFT NOTICE that you send to our house.

    And this is the problem. There are so many people in this country whose allegiance is not with the United States that a judge can get away with this. If that were not the case a judge would thrown this case out in a heartbeat. Then go find THEM to fight the damn wars for this country. Go and find the little whimps who are afraid of two words, "Under God" and let them fight the bloody wars. The USA will lose in the first hour because if they're afraid of God, then they're going to run like scared rabbits from any enemy.

    You know what? I think I'll blame George Bush for this too, because he's the one who turned the hose on which is being used to water this country down and turn it into a big mud puddle.

    Hillary, Bill, John, Ted, you all must be tickled pink. This is the America you've always wanted. But I still want to blame GWB too.

    If we ever get a draft notice the way things are going, I'll write: "Return to Sender, wrong household, we are illegal, there must be some mistake, you must be looking for a Legal American. Not here " And I'll write it in Spanish.
    You know that might not be a bad idea. I'm already in the military so I can't be drafted. Oh well.
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    I'm serious Dman, this is pathetic. Every parent in their right mind should boycott the public schools. I bet there are prinipals all over America who support this action of making the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional.

    I say, if it is unconstitutional to say the Pledge of Allegiance in schools than it is obvious that your institution is not aligned with the United States of America. Therefore you are a danger to my child. I will not put my children under your jurisdiction for 6 hours a day. It is too dangerous to do so.

    By the way, one of our sons is in the Jr. ROTC, so it's not like we're an anti-military family. It was his choice to join, we didn't say a word to him to encourage or discourage it.

    This ruling today is perfect insanity. The father and the judge should be sent to Gitmo.
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    Truly this is a judge who doesn’t love his country. Legal, if the FTAA passes this pledge won’t even apply because this will no longer be the United States of America. The Passage of CAFTA opens the doors to the FTAA. Remember the CFR Plan; this is to be implemented by Dec 31 2005. Happy New Year 2006, Goodbye America.
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    I wish paying taxes supporting public education were optional.
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    the goods

    Well folks; that tears it. I am a naturalized American.

    here's how bassackwords thing are:

    When you are sworn in as a US citizen you are made to swear the Oath. Directly following that, right on the sheet that allows the illiterates to mutter in pidgeon English is, GUESS WHAT??

    Yes, that's right, it is the Pledge of Alllegiance. We're finished.

    I have never lived full time in Germany. I am on the verge of making a decision. How can my Oath mean anything in the face of illegals and now a court that claims what I swore to to become American is Unconstitutional.

    SAY IT 'AINT SO!! I have a word for America, todays word, is Renunciation.

    P.S. The history portion of your citizenship test is comprised of the officer asking history questions about America and its laws until you get 6 right. They just keep asking until you get 6 right.

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    YOU aren't going anywhere. YOU ARE AN AMERICAN.

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    true enough

    True enough; However it is nice to know it is there. That country has already been through the crucible and its people survived, as I'm sure we will. It isn't going to be easy, and never was going to be.

    Everything I have grown up with is here.

    My family is in Canada, a long, abominable, immigration story.

    These people(bush), illegals, congress, corporations have crossed the line. I have no real formed thoughts for the disappointment I feel over swearing words now deemed un-Constitutional. Before I go hide under a rock, I think I'm flying to washington for the march on the 24th. This ends, or we go under, like New Orleans. It is MADNESS!

    I will repeat the mantra of Washingtons Farewell Address, over and over, I'll freeze and beg help from anyone to undermine the forces destroying our country, like Washington did. From the address;

    That as the Allwise dispensor of human blessings has favored no Nation of the Earth with more abundant, & substantial means of happiness than United America, that we may not be so ungrateful to our Creator so wanting to ourselves and so regardless of Posterity as to dash the cup of benificence which is thus bountifully offered to our acceptance.

    That we may fulfil with the greatest exactitude all our engagements: foreign and domestic, to the utmost of our abilities whensoever, and in whatsoever manner they are pledged: for in public, as in private life, I am persuaded that honesty will forever be found to be the best policy

    That we may avoid connecting ourselves with the Politics of any Nation, farther than shall be found necessary to regulate our own trade; in order that commerce maybe placed upon a stable footing our merchants know their rights and the government the ground on which those rights are to be supported.

    That every citizen would take pride in the name of an American, and act as if he felt the importance of the character by considering that we ourselves are now a distinct Nation the dignity of which will be absorbed, if not annihilated, if we enlist ourselves (further than our obligations may require) under the banner of any other Nation whatsoever. And moreover, that we would guard against the intriegues of any and every foreign Nation who shall endeavor to intermingle (however covertly and indirectly) in the internal concerns of our country; or who shall attempt to prescribe rules for our policy with any other power, if there be no infraction of our engagements with themselves, as one of the greatest evils that can befal us as a people; for whatever may be their professions, be assured fellow Citizens and the event will (as it always has) invariably prove, that Nations as well as individuals, act for their own benefit, and not for the benefit of others, unless both interests happen to be assimilated (and when that is the case there requires no contract to bind them together). That all their interferences are calculated to promote the former; and in proportion as they succeed, will render us less independent. In a word, nothing is more certain than that, if we receive favors, we must grant favors; and it is not easy to decide beforehand under such circumstances as we are, on which side the balance will ultimately terminate; but easy indeed is it to foresee that it may involve us in disputes and finally in War, to fulfil political alliances. Whereas, if there be no engagements on our part, we shall be unembarrassed, and at liberty at all times, to act from circumstances, and the dictates of justice, sound policy, and our essential Interests.

    That we may be always prepared for War, but never unsheath the sword except in self defence so long as Justice and our essential rights, and national respectability can be preserved without it; for without the gift of prophecy, it may safely be pronounced, that if this country can remain in peace 20 years longer: and I devoutly pray that it may do so to the end of time; such in all probability will be its population, riches, and resources, when combined with its peculiarly happy and remote Situation from the other quarters of the globe, as to bid defiance, in a just cause, to any earthly power whatsoever.

    That whensoever and so long as we profess to be Neutral, let our public conduct whatever our

    private affections may be, accord therewith; without suffering partialities on one hand, or prejudices on the other to controul our Actions. A contrary practice is not only incompatible with our declarations, but is pregnant with mischief, embarrassing to the Administration, tending to divide us into parties, and ultimately productive of all those evils and horrors which proceed from faction, and above all,

    That our Union may be as lasting as time; for while we are encircled in one band, we shall possess the strength of a Giant and there will be none who can make us affraid. Divide, and we shall become weak; a prey to foreign lntriegues and internal discord; and shall be as miserable and contemptible as we are now enviable and happy. And lastly:

    That the several departments of Government may be preserved in their utmost Constitutional purity, without any attempt of one to encroach on the rights or privileges of another; that the Genl and State governmts may move in their propr Orbits; And that the authorities of our own constituting maybe respected by ourselves as the most certain means of having them respected by foreigners.

    The whole thing can be read here; http://www.freedomshrine.com/documents/ ... ewell.html

    Now compare and contrast the sentiments of this Great Man, with all his faults, a product of his age and what he accomplished, compare him to the CLOWN!!
    not so cheery; glenn

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