Thread: Immigrant Groups Fight License Bill

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Immigrant Groups Fight License Bill
Measure Would End 11 States' Policy of Letting Undocumented Aliens Drive
By Ray Rivera
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 6, 2005; Page B06

Latino and immigrant support groups are mobilizing against the proposed Real ID Act, a federal law that would prohibit states from issuing driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

The act, which passed the House yesterday, would have a major impact in Maryland, one of 11 states where proof of legal presence in the United States is not required to obtain a license. Before the 2001 terrorist attacks, some states considered extending driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants to improve road safety, ensuring that those who drove had passed a state-sanctioned test.

Since 2001, however, licenses have become firmly tied to national security concerns. Virginia, where seven of the 19 hijackers obtained licenses or ID cards, is among several states that have since changed their laws. The District of Columbia requires proof of legal presence for a license.

The Senate is expected to pass the act this month as part of a supplemental appropriations bill for military operations in Iraq. President Bush has signaled support for the measure.

Immigrant support groups say Real ID would make roads less safe and could erode national security, not improve it.

"It will make millions of people that live in our nation hide even more," said Gustavo Torres, executive director of Casa de Maryland, a Latino advocacy group. "They are going to keep driving, keep working, but now they are going to be even more scared to participate in our society, to cooperate with police on crime issues."

Casa de Maryland, the National Council of La Raza and other groups hope to draw as many as 5,000 immigrants to a protest rally tomorrow afternoon at Richard Montgomery High School in Rockville.

Civil liberties groups contend the act would create what amounts to a national ID card that would make it easier for the federal government to keep tabs on private citizens.

State officials said they worry that the act would shift the burden -- and costs -- of immigration enforcement from the federal government to the states. Even states that already require proof of legal presence would have to revamp their systems to meet the more stringent requirements of the Real ID legislation.

In Virginia, for example, front-line workers at the Department of Motor Vehicles are trained to recognize real from forged birth certificates, passports and immigration documents used to verify "legal presence" in the U.S.

Real ID would go further, requiring documents to be compared against federal databases. States also would have to save copies of identification documents for seven to 10 years and save facial image scans of each license holder.

In addition to potentially costing the states millions of dollars to implement, the new measures could mean longer lines at the DMV and spell an end to walk-in, walk-out service to get a license.

The law would apply to renewals as well.

"The impact of the legislation will be significant," said Pam Goheen, spokeswoman for the Virginia DMV. "We need to fully evaluate the bill."

The Congressional Budget Office estimates the legislation would cost states $100 million over five years to implement.

But Cheye Calvo, director of the transportation committee of the National Council of State Legislatures, said the costs to states could be five to seven times that.

"The cost of verifying these documents alone is incredible," Calvo said. "Then you have training, security standards, equipment, physical upgrades to the licenses, biometrics. This stuff doesn't come free."

Bills similar to Real ID have repeatedly failed in the Maryland General Assembly, frustrating lawmakers who see the issue as central to the U.S. war on terrorism.

"The most common way you get on a plane in the U.S. is by showing a driver's license," said Del. Herbert H. McMillan (R-Anne Arundel), who introduced driver's license bills in the last two legislative sessions. "It attracts a lot less attention than showing a passport from Saudi Arabia."

For McMillan, the issue is more personal. A 767 pilot with American Airlines, he flew frequently with Charles Burlingame, the captain of Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon.

Other provisions of Real ID would tighten asylum regulations and tighten security along the U.S.-Mexican border near San Diego. The bill was introduced by Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.).

If they want to waste their time, let them. The bill is going to become law.

Before the 2001 terrorist attacks, some states considered extending driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants to improve road safety, ensuring that those who drove had passed a state-sanctioned test.

These guys are dangerous on the road.This will definitely settle a few things:
How much power is backing the illegal immigrants.
How much does the government really want to do to fix the problem.

Originally Posted by 82Marine89

If they want to waste their time, let them. The bill is going to become law.

I don't intend to leave that to chance. I'm calling both Senators, and writing the President ....again. I'm not so naive (anymore) to think this is a shoo-in quite yet.

Originally Posted by Rarius

Originally Posted by 82Marine89

If they want to waste their time, let them. The bill is going to become law.

I don't intend to leave that to chance. I'm calling both Senators, and writing the President ....again. I'm not so naive (anymore) to think this is a shoo-in quite yet.

Especially given the fact that politicians mean nothing here anymore;everything comes down to the judges who lately seem to create law as they go along.More criminals in this country go unpunished due to one word more than anything else:unconstitutional.

Originally Posted by Rarius

Originally Posted by 82Marine89

If they want to waste their time, let them. The bill is going to become law.

I don't intend to leave that to chance. I'm calling both Senators, and writing the President ....again. I'm not so naive (anymore) to think this is a shoo-in quite yet.

My senators are Boxhead and Feinswine. They are not going to be much help.

Be glad you don't live up here in SF:when Pelosi is in town she walks right past the illegals that are scattered all around city hall and the civic center totally oblivious.

Originally Posted by rickesteves

Be glad you don't live up here in SF:when Pelosi is in town she walks right past the illegals that are scattered all around city hall and the civic center totally oblivious.

I have it worse. My congresscritter is Darrell Issa (R-Mexico City). He claims to be against illegal immigration, but has shut down both the I-15 (Temecula) and I-5 (San Clemente) checkpoints because in his opinion they were not productive. When Joe Baca (D-Oaxaca), had the interior patrol shut down, Issa said he was a good man.

The interior enforcement netted 420 illegals in three weeks. It basically shut down employment gathering sites. Illegals were scared to come out in public. That, IMO, is a good thing. Keep them scared and maybe they will try to come here legally.

What's it like at your local Kelley Moore stores and home depots?Their newest thing here is to camp out at storage facilities and offer help in loading and unloading your stuff for you (right!).
At least you guys got better weather to be disgusted in.

Don't know what Kelley Moore is, but La Casa Depot is a magnet for laborers, legal and illegal.