But those unions hired American citizens, whether union guys or scabs. These businesses won't hire AMERICANS. They only want cheap illegals. That makes it war. Nice try, but try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
Btw, did you enjoy my video? :p
But those unions hired American citizens, whether union guys or scabs. These businesses won't hire AMERICANS. They only want cheap illegals. That makes it war. Nice try, but try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
Btw, did you enjoy my video? :p
LOL!! Oh you will always be my friend, no matter when we disagree on one plan or another to solve this awful problem. I've always been the 1 girl out on mass deportations, so don't feel bad about our disagreeing on this. No one here has ever really wanted mass deportations, they want to freeze 'em out, starve 'em out, dry up all the "magnets" and "lures", rely on the "rule of law" and hope they just go away. No, they won't, they'll just run drugs, breed like rabbits, and wait until DemoQuacks are back in office and get amnesty. We have a very short window of time to solve this problem, we'll never have another Trump, we'll never have another President even willing to talk about this subject in any terms other than amnesty, so he's our last chance to get them out of here. That's why all of our focus needs to be on rapid mass deportation through state and local law enforcement.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6 Million Dollar Man
In my opinion, of course, and all we need to get that rolling is an Executive Order authorizing state and local law enforcement to enforce US immigration law without fear of reprisal or litigation from the federal government for doing so.
Yes, they/you were/are a bunch of bullies. You didn't/don't like fair competition. They/you like dictating what employer will pay. https://www.alipac.us/images/icons/icon13.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Judy
Unions didn't hire scabs, scabs were non-union workers usually bused in from out of town by the company or a subcontractor and those scabs were often non-citizen immigrants. Can you imagine what those union workers would have done to a herd of illegal aliens showing up to steal their jobs? I'm telling you Americans have lost their way allowing this in their job sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6 Million Dollar Man
I'm not Judy, but I did try to watch your battle with that big hairy bigfoot. No luck though, said the video was disabled at the website.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6 Million Dollar Man
Well, how do you like paying for illegal aliens? Either employers pay good wages, which unions fought for, or you end up paying taxes supporting underpaid workers, millions of whom are illegal aliens who aren't even supposed to be in our country to begin with let alone stealing jobs and deflating the wages of American workers.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtdc
You just click on YouTube and watch it there.Quote:
Originally Posted by MW
And you are against this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
Have you looked at the news in the last couple of years? States are suing the federal government so they can disobey federal immigration laws. It is not about allowing them to cooperate with federal law enforcement, it is getting them to cooperate with federal law enforcement. :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
I noticed that too, but if you click on the "Watch this video on Youtube" link, it will show the video on the original youtube site.Quote:
Originally Posted by MW
Watch it. It's good. I might be a little sentimental about the way things were when I was growing up in the 70s, but man, things were so much different, and better back in the 70s. What a great time to be a kid.
Click on the You Tube at bottom right, and you can watch from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by MW
I've never worked for a union. I don't like how you have to have a relative, like your dad when you're younger, get you in. To me, that's having a monopoly on jobs. That's bs. But whether union or non-union, all jobs will have a livable wage if there's no competition for those jobs from illegals. And nowadays, you have to be lucky enough to be in a union to have a livable wage. There used to be tons of good paying non-union jobs before we got invaded by illegals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
My post was about unions!Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
NO! It is because of unions that everything costs too much. They union started off with a good goal, protecting workers from bad working conditions. But then they got into jacking up wages, which jacks the cost of everything. Then they got political power so they could control all employees, taking their dues to pay for leftist politics. Unions bad!Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
The 70's were the best decade. It's when everything made sense, we all felt free, and everything was moving in the right direction. It was a wonderful decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6 Million Dollar Man
How about mass self-deportations by getting rid of the magnet, jobs, by clamping down hard on employers who hire them? That sounds pretty good to me, and quick. Quick and fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
You'll have such a big mass exodus, I'll bet you can see it from space. The mass exodus of illegals on our southern border.
Yeah, some of the unions got a little corrupt. But without that structure, workers won't fight, it's dog eat dog, it's why companies who hire a lot of Americans but also hire some illegal aliens have no complaint from the Americans at that job site, because the way they see it, if the company saves some money there, it makes their own job more secure.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6 Million Dollar Man
I've never worked for a union either, my jobs were all "white collar", but my Dad was in a boilermakers union and most of my friends who worked in blue collar jobs belonged to a union. The Teamsters were the wild men in my state. The trucking companies were hiring scabs to drive their trucks during a Teamster's strike. And trucking is a little different because you don't have a "jobs site" to strike and picket right? So the strike was going on and on and on and then one day, the Teamsters decided they'd had enough of this crap and blew up a section of Interstate 44 and that shut those scab drivers down. They never caught the bandits.
That was in the 70's. When they blew up the Interstate, everyone got a big kick out of it and supported the Teamsters. It was like ... WOW!! Americans used to know how to stick together and fight for each other. I think we've lost a lot of that. SAD!!
I think unions outlived their usefulness.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtdc
And yes, they jack up the prices on everything way too much. I can tell you stories I heard from guys who worked in unions. Such waste because of the stupid rules.
One time, a guy who used to work for the Iron Workers, told me that he had to cut a small piece of 2X4 wood out of a small 2 foot piece. He spent 2 hours trying to hunt down a carpenter to cut it for him because union rules wouldn't let him cut a piece of wood because that was a carpenters job, and it would be considered stealing a job from a carpenter, although it would've only taken him about 2 minutes to cut that stupid piece of wood.
Another guy, who used to be in the Machinist's Union, went to work one morning and the light bulb was blown inside his CNC machine. He couldn't see in the machine without light. Even though it would have only taken him a minute to change that light bulb, his boss made him just sit in his chair in front of his machine and do nothing for 8 hours because there wasn't an electrician on the job site to come change the light bulb for him. He wasn't allowed to change it himself because that was considered an electrician's job, and he would be stealing work from an electrician if he changed the light bulb himself.
A bunch of stupid rules and full of waste.
Sure! I'm all for "clamping" down on employers who hire illegally, I just don't want to see them go to prison, I prefer to see them fined. Either way, if you clamp down on them all, that would free up a lot of jobs for Americans which I totally support.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6 Million Dollar Man
They may have. It was just a great time for our country when they were going strong. Things have gotten very messed up since union membership has dropped, free trade treason and open borders among them.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6 Million Dollar Man
I found some articles on the current dilemna on agricultural harvesting. We should have been much further along in this----but with the worldwide tech revolution I don't doubt that it would be easy to find advanced ag. tech in other countries. There are a lot of videos on YouTube showing the latest agriculture machinery. Often it is as simple as a tractor implement. The article below from USA Today shows an implement for thinning lettuce rows. I believe Sweden has made some advances in dairy tech.
The reasons I think government help in this would be needed is that some farms might not think they would be up to the challenge of further mechanization. And rather than investing in expensive machines, if farms in a local area with similar produce could share the equipment wouldn't that make it far cheaper to switch?
https://amgreatness.com/2018/01/13/no-americas-farmers-dont-depend-illegal-immigration/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...rnia/97396066/
Here's an article about a new dairy operation that has gone to some robotics: Demerath Farms in Nebraska: http://norfolkdailynews.com/news/pla...75c1d5a3f.html
And a video of how it works: http://norfolkdailynews.com/news/vid...9df8d36b5.html
This article is consistent with several reports we have received from ALIPAC supporters who tell us they have first-hand knowledge of illegal aliens successfully gaining employment with E-Verify certification!
This reinforces what I've been trying to tell folks for many years... the E-Verify and Real ID programs are not to keep illegals out. These programs are how the elites plan to maintain control and security for themselves in a future borderless world where national boundaries are as meaningless as state boundaries.
We used to have a lot of people here on these very forums fighting intensely for biometric big brother tracking technology deployment through Real ID who falsely promised Americans should submit to the program in the interest of stopping illegal immigrants. Now we see in America that millions of illegals have Real ID driver licenses no problemo! The creators of the program want illegals enrolled in their Real ID program. So the voices touting Real ID have retreated from that contention now that most of America is being forced into the Orwellian tracking program.
Now those same folks, including people at NumbersUSA and members of Congress are telling us E-Verify will save American jobs from illegal aliens, and this article is saying that is just not true either.
Nobody should be surprised after all the I-9 forms were part of Reagan's devastating Amnesty in 1986. Americans were promised no illegals could work jobs anymore because of that provision and now we see for the last three decades nobody in DC has been verifying I-9s or acting on them when they are fraudulently submitted.
Both Real ID and E-Verify are programs created to control the American and illegal alien population in the new North American Union, not stop or repel illegal immigrants who are being imported into America to accomplish the same super state creation goals.
Seems there's a lot of folks you don't want to see go to jail ..... illegals reentries, drug abusers and those involved in the drug trade, and the employers of illegals. How many more am I missing? Oh wait, you not only want those involved in the drug trade not to go to jail, you also want those already in jail to be set free if they weren't convicted of a violent crime. Additionally, you don't support the death penalty under any condition. Many of your positions make you the epitome of what some would call weak on crime. Just saying ......Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
YES! Thank you William, thank you very very much. So well said. We are in our Period of Ironies and Opposites where all types of programs and policies are designed to do one thing but we're told the complete opposite. Free trade was supposed to be "good for America", it wasn't, it has bankrupted us. Immigration was supposed to be necessary and proper because "we are a nation of immigrants" when we are not, we are a nation of settlers, developers and conquerors. We're told Illegal aliens "do the jobs that Americans won't do" which is a complete lie, because there is no job an American hasn't done, isn't doing and won't do. Unfortunately, the Real ID and E-Verify programs were designed to control US citizens through massive information databases but masked as a way to prevent illegal aliens from getting jobs, when it won't prevent even 1 illegal alien from getting a job with an employer who wants to hire them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALIPAC
Tancredo: Mandatory E-Verify for Employment Should be Donald Trump’s Top Immigration Priority
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Yes, the wall on our southwest border can and should be built. But it is less important than enacting the mandatory E-Verify system for employment.
Let’s face it. We all know it is the prospect of a better life through employment that attracts the vast majority of border jumpers. Our system for blocking unlawful employment of foreign-born workers who lack a lawful work permit has always been a joke, and under Obama, enforcement has been an even lower priority than it was under Bush.
Congress can turn off the jobs magnet by enacting the mandatory E-Verify program, an internet-based system allowing instant verification of the legal status of job applicants. It has an error rate of less than 1 percent and costs employers next to nothing.
Foreign born workers have no constitutional right to employment. Like every European country, Mexico and all of the advanced nations of the world, the United States has a system of “work authorization permits” for legal employment by immigrants and all foreign nationals. The problem is, our laws against unlawful employment are not enforced– in fact, they are unenforceable without major changes and improvements.
The easy availability of unlawful employment is the giant magnet motivating millions of illegal aliens to cross our borders unlawfully. We also have a mushrooming problem of millions of “visa overstays,” people who arrive on a legal tourist or other temporary visa but do not leave on the expiration date. They, too, are most often seeking employment.
If we turn off the jobs magnet, illegal entry across our borders can change from a flood to a trickle. Then the Border Patrol could concentrate on stopping terrorists and drug traffickers, and job seekers would have to get in line for one of the many LEGAL guest worker programs already on the books.
The United States already has several guest worker programs that allow employers to hire foreign workers for seasonal labor– in agriculture, in seasonal ski resorts, in landscaping, and other fields. Foreign workers are brought in for seasonal jobs where it has been demonstrated that American workers are not available — and then they go home. We even allow the hiring of year-round foreign sheep herders from Peru, Portugal and Afghanistan because, evidently, Americans will not do those jobs.
There is an important principle involved in legal guest worker programs. They are authorized only when it has been demonstrated that American workers are not available at market-based wages. Foreign workers should be SUPPLEMENTING American workers, not REPLACING them.
As a member of Congress, I sponsored a bill to allow any employer to hire a foreign worker for any job after the US Labor Department had verified that wages had been rising in that occupation for at least three successive quarters, which would be a free market demonstration of a labor shortage. If wages are flat or declining, there is no documented labor shortage.
If there are genuine labor shortages in some occupations, then by all means, let’s have a viable, LEGAL guest worker program available to employers in those fields. But that is not the case with 98 percent of the jobs now going to illegal workers. The ready availability of cheap illegal labor has been a major factor in wage stagnation over the past 20 years.
That illegal spigot must be turned off, and making the E-Verify system mandatory for all employers is the way to do it.
The E-Verify system already exists as a voluntary program administered by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) bureau within the Department of Homeland Security. A 2014 statement by Lori Scialabba, Obama’s Acting Director of USCIS, endorsed the program as an immense success, with over a half-million employers participating nationwide: “Since it was established, E-Verify has experienced exponential growth, increased accuracy and high customer-satisfaction ratings.” So, why hasn’t mandatory E-Verify program been adopted by Congress already? It has been included as part of some of the amnesty bills proposed over the past decade, but only as a sop to immigration enforcement, never as stand-alone legislation to fix a concrete problem.
Why not? The answer is that the E-Verify program has been opposed because the open borders lobby knows it will work. It is opposed by the US Chamber of Commerce and every other member of the coalition that supported the 2013 “Gang of Eight” amnesty bill.
Rep. Lamar Smith’s mandatory E-Verify bill, HR 1147, was approved by bipartisan committee vote in the House in 2015, but never allowed to reach the floor for an up or down vote. Sen. Grassley’s bill was considered by the Senate Judiciary Committee but similarly never allowed to get to the floor.
With Republican majorities now controlling both the House and Senate calendars, there is no valid reason not to bring these bills to a vote. Differences can be ironed out in a conference committee and a bill sent to President Trump in the first 100 days of the session.
Sadly, despite lip service paid to mandatory E-Verify by scores of Republican bill sponsors, only strong push by President Trump and his executive branch appointees can move E-Verify program to a vote in Congress. If Trump is really serious about immigration enforcement, he will make this his top priority.
The E-Verify bill will be a good test case for his White House team. Will Trump’s White House policy team prevail over the “pragmatists” who will want to wait for “congressional consensus”?
Does Trump want to fix the problem, or merely continue blaming Democrats for obstruction? In truth, on many important immigration enforcement issues, the obstruction is coming from within his own party.
https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...tion-priority/
Right O!! There are 3 areas of crime that I believe deserve jail time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MW
1. Property Damage
2. Theft
3. Physical Harm
Tancredo was hoodwinked like a lot of people were hoodwinked about E-Verify.Quote:
Originally Posted by MW
Shocking: Tom Tancredo & Team America PAC Support Amnesty!?!?!
Former Congressman urges Republicans to legalize DACA, but at a price
POSTED 10:25 PM, SEPTEMBER 5, 2017, BY KEAGAN HARSHA, UPDATED AT 10:28PM, SEPTEMBER 5, 2017
DENVER -- The fate of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival program now lies in the hands of Congress, but one former U.S. congressman is skeptical lawmakers will pass any significant immigration reform.
Tom Tancredo served two terms in the House of Representatives and followed that up with a run for president in 2008.
He's now watching the drama in Washington unfold from afar.
"Love to be in Congress? God, that's so hard to say," he answered when asked if he wish could help decide the fate of DACA.
Tancredo and many others say the debate over DACA isn't necessarily about immigration, but instead the way it was enacted, not by law, but by executive action.
"We can discuss the immigration side of this and what's right and wrong, but the legal side is not open for debate," he said.
"You have to be concerned about the way this was done because the precedent that was established was horrible.
"Most liberals would hate the idea of (President Donald) Trump doing a similar thing. I mean, they'd go nuts."
Tancredo said there is now a lot of pressure on Republicans and Democrats to pass immigration reform within the next six months.
"I think the president has told Congress, put up or shut up. I don't think they're going to do either," he said.
However, Tancredo believes this is a big opportunity for lawmakers, specifically Republicans.
He believes Republicans could and should legalize DACA, so long as they get something big in return.
"I don't care about the wall. Everyone says the wall. The wall is insignificant. I mean, I'm all for it, but it is not the real solution to the issue. The solution is E-verify," Tancredo said.
E-verify is the online program that verifies an employees' immigration status to make sure workers are legally employed.
He said this is an opportunity for both parties to get what they want.
"There's got to be something that happens to people negatively if they are here illegally," he said.
However, that compromise might require larger concessions than either party is willing to make.
http://kdvr.com/2017/09/05/former-co...ut-at-a-price/
Incarceration serves more than one purpose. Deterrence of others. Treatment. Keeping truly dangerous people away from the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
But I agree that fines would be more beneficial, if they can collect them. That way the public isn't on the hook for even more money. I think the typical outlaw is not going to have the money to pay them, unless they are a big time drug dealer, fast company business person or some fallen-from-grace trust fund kid. There was a local drug dealer here who built one of the fanciest houses in an exclusive neighborhood, and I understand it was after he got out of prison. Of course, construction typically has a lot of ne-er do wells and substance abusers so that's probably where he got his start.
I had a younger guy working here recently re-doing the wiring. Learned he was a serious jailbird; and actually you couldn't trust him. But I think he was mentally stuck somewhere; I talked to his dad more than a few times and he said that the guy and his 3 brothers were drug users so there is some kind of lunacy in that family.
Regarding illegals in prison, I would wonder if there is any real deterrence. We offer so many programs for prisoners it's ridiculous! They may even look at it as a step up, at least from what they would have at home. If they are in for several years and then get deported they are not going to find very good circumstances there either. Won't they likely resort to more crime, contributing to the breakdown of their own culture? I would say if we can have effective border control, just get rid of them as soon as possible so we don't have to pay for them.
Yes, Captainron, just get these illegal aliens out of here and keep them out. All of our attention and resources should be devoted to mass rapid deportations. Don't let them in, if they get in, get them out swiftly and keep them out.
There are two things the President can and should do that wouldn't cost us any money, wouldn't require funding, wouldn't require acts of Congress and would prevail in lawsuits if any were even filed.
1. Plan B:
Tell all these countries, if your citizens continue to enter our country illegally, then you country will have no aid from or trade with the United States. Period.
2. State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance
Do an Executive Order that authorizes all willing state and local law enforcement agencies to enforce US immigration law without any threat of reprisal or lawsuits from the federal government. Provide some simple working arrangements and cut them loose.
No, most have become majorly corrupt!Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
So the three major car companies, Ford, GM, and Chrysler, all are run thought the same Autoworker's Union. That means all three must pay the same wages. There is no competition as to who would pay more for more productive workers. So no one (scabs) can help drive wages down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
I heard a similar story to 6 Million Dollar Man at a construction site by me where an electrician needed to move a cable. But a carpenter's hammer was laying on the cable, and he had to wait for a carpenter to come an move the hammer before he could move the cable. Union rules! Non union contractors could work faster and more efficiently than union contractors in many construction projects.
So you cheer violence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
I watched a rock quarry plant where I hauled out of, which was bought by Mitsubishi. They union voted to strike for higher wages. Mitsubishi certainly have the money to ride it out. I continued to haul out of there with most of the workers standing at the gate. One day I watched a union rep drive up in his long limousine and tell those guys who had been out of work to hang in there, they were winning. A month later, Mitsubishi locked out the union workers and only those who didn't strike still had a job.
My welder had a son who worked for a small company. He got the workers to organize and join a union. Once they did, the union ordered him laid off as they had other union member with seniority who needed a job.
Although you seem to be a Libertarian, you don't seem to embrace competition. https://www.alipac.us/images/icons/icon13.png
How much? To a small employer or company, a $10,000 fine could put them out of business. But to a large employer/company, it would just be the cost of doing business. If each had to serve a week in jail, there would be an equity of the punishment. The little guy would lose a little money, but the big guy would lose a lot of money. The great equalizer!Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
Yes, our economy was stronger, and unions took advantage of that. But when things got bad, the unions would not give an inch. That led to a lot of layoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
But did union membership drop because unions got too greedy? Look at cities that have gone bankrupt or are facing bankruptcy because public union contracts have cost too much money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
The union membership rate—the percent of wage and salary workers who were members of unions—was unchanged at 10.7 percent in 2017, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. The numberof wage and salary workers belonging to unions, at 14.8 million in 2017, edged up by 262,000 from2016.
In 1983, the first year for which comparable union data are available, the union membership ratewas 20.1 percent and there were 17.7 million union workers. Jan 19, 2018
Union Members—2017 - Bureau of Labor Statistics
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/union2.pdf
More proof that E-Verify doesn't work....
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Mollie Tibbetts Murder Suspect Cristhian Bahena Rivera ‘Passed E-Verify Background Check’
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The farm that employed the man suspected of murdering 20-year-old University of Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts has claimed he passed a government background check and that the company had no idea that he was an illegal immigrant. The status of suspect Cristhian Bahena Rivera has come under scrutiny after President Trump directly blamed immigration laws for the alleged murder. But Yarrabee Farms, which is owned by Craig Lang, a prominent member of the Republican Party in Iowa, said in a statement: “This individual has worked at our farms for four years, was vetted through the government’s E-Verify system, and was an employee in good standing.” E-Verify is an online system run by the government for employers to check the eligibility of its workers. It’s unclear how Rivera could have passed the system—he’s an undocumented immigrant from Mexico, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and a detainer warrant was issued for him Tuesday.
I saw on the World News tonight that his employer did NOT use E-Verify. I guess he lied the first time. But still, E-Verify isn't foolproof and needs to be worked on.
They clarified they called Social Security Administration to verify the social security number. Whether they did or not, don't know. An examination of their payroll taxes withheld and paid on this employee will shed some light. They should not have hired him, and the state that issued him a state photo ID should have never issued him one, and he should have never been allowed into the country or allowed to remain here by the federal government. Much blame to go around.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6 Million Dollar Man
Very few things in life are 100% bullet proof. However, E-Verify is said to be more than 90% accurate. I guess any verification system can be fooled with someone else's documents, fake documents, or forged ones. To actually believe we would be better without E-Verify than we would be with it doesn't make much sense to me. We need the program nationally mandated where every business is using it, not only those that volunteer to do so. It stands to reason that those not using the program are probably the companies hiring the bulk of illegals.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6 Million Dollar Man
Eventually people will figure out that the purpose of E-Verify is not to verify illegal aliens from work, it's to verify US citizens to work, the complete opposite of what needs to be done.
If it is capable of verifying a US Citizen to work, then what is kicked back should be classified as illegal or at least investigated, so it should work both ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy