Thread: {Sob} Why not let students 'become someone'?

Why not let students 'become someone'?
By Marisa Treviño

Maybe it was because the sender's name, Maritza, was so similar to mine that I felt compelled to open the e-mail. A quick scan proved it was not an unwelcome solicitation, but a plea for help from a student who was also an "illegal immigrant."

In part, it read: "I send you an e-mail regarding … undocumented students who wish to keep studying to become someone." She wanted information on college scholarships that helped students like herself — high school graduates in need of the kind of financial aid that doesn't depend on citizenship status, only good grades. With so few scholarships, it isn't easy for these students. As a recent USA TODAY article notes, more states want to make in-state tuition rates unavailable or outright ban these students from attending U.S. colleges.

In a reading of new laws in Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Oklahoma, and North and South Carolina, the idea that all children deserve the opportunity for a college education is as foreign as the countries where these children were born. These laws appear to be offshoots of state measures designed to drive the undocumented from local communities. In 2007, according to the Education Commission of the States, 32 states considered bills to give undocumented students in-state tuition. Ten of those states are now considering restricting in-state tuition. Why? Many state legislators have become incensed that the federal government hasn't taken the lead on enforcement. Their anti-illegal immigrant rhetoric has encouraged wide interpretations of federal policy.

In seeking to punish these students, these legislators are, in fact, punishing all of us. Do we really want to waste the talent of these ambitious students? What good is being done by keeping in the dark those serious about furthering their education? The reality is that this country is their home, and they'll be here whether we choose to educate them or not.

What is an advanced degree worth? The Census reports that in 2006, workers with a bachelor's degree earned $56,788 vs. $31,071 for those with only a high school diploma. A labor study that same year found that 500 of the largest U.S. companies will lose 50% of their senior management by 2011. Our aging labor force needs to be replenished by those schooled to compete in a knowledge-based economy. Other countries are clamoring for a highly educated workforce just as we're driving students away.

Is this the new American way?

Marisa Treviño, who lives in Dallas, publishes the website Latina Lista.

Posted at 12:15 AM/ET, July 25, 2008 in Education - Forum, Forum commentary, Immigration - Forum, Trevino | Permalink
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Hi JimPasz,

Here we go again!


Pass the crying towel!

In seeking to punish these students, these legislators are, in fact, punishing all of us. Do we really want to waste the talent of these ambitious students? What good is being done by keeping in the dark those serious about furthering their education? The reality is that this country is their home, and they'll be here whether we choose to educate them or not.



Is this the new American way?



I would contend that this is, in reality, the "old" American way where we do not reward criminal conduct and expect illegal aliens to either return to their own countries or suffer the consequences

The United States is NOT the home of illegal alien students. They are NOT citizens of this country and we may be forced to ensure they receive a K - 12 education, but we sure as hell are not required......or obligated.....to provide them a college education.

I would also contend that they are NOT here to stay.

It is the responsibility of these students to return to their home countries where they are the future. They are the key to the changes which will make their countries and fellow nationals prosper.

Why give them a place in College and take the space away from a CITIZEN???????
CITIZENS need scholerships also...why give it to an Illegal?
Why get a degree and then you can't use it unless you steal someones ID?
GO HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why not let students 'become someone'?


But you are someone . You're an illegal alien in this country illegally trying to do something you're not entitled to do. Go home. And take your talent home with you. We have plenty of our own. American students come first.

if I steal something...and give it to my child...is it their's????
answer: NO
Sheez...why do these folks feel like we owe their kids...I just do understand how they think

Originally Posted by azwreath

In seeking to punish these students, these legislators are, in fact, punishing all of us. Do we really want to waste the talent of these ambitious students? What good is being done by keeping in the dark those serious about furthering their education? The reality is that this country is their home, and they'll be here whether we choose to educate them or not.



Is this the new American way?



I would contend that this is, in reality, the "old" American way where we do not reward criminal conduct and expect illegal aliens to either return to their own countries or suffer the consequences

The United States is NOT the home of illegal alien students. They are NOT citizens of this country and we may be forced to ensure they receive a K - 12 education, but we sure as hell are not required......or obligated.....to provide them a college education.

I would also contend that they are NOT here to stay.

It is the responsibility of these students to return to their home countries where they are the future. They are the key to the changes which will make their countries and fellow nationals prosper.

WELL DONE MY FRIEND, WELL DONE. JUST WHO IN THE H*** DO THESE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE OTHER THAN ILLEGALS IN THE U.S.A. WITHOUT PERMISSION TO BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. THEY ARE NOBODY SPECIAL. ALTHOUGH THE GOVERNMENT TREAT THEM AS SUCH, THEY ARE NOT. BUT IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THEY HAVE MORE RIGHTS THAN WE THE CITIZENS OF THE U.S.A. HAVE. WE ARE BEING PUSHED ASIDE BY OUR VERY OWN GOVERNMENT IN ORDER FOR THEM TO PANDER TO GOVERNMENTS OF THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES. WHATS UP WITH THAT? I FOR ONE AM SICK AND TIRED OF IT ALL. ITS TIME FOR US AS AMERICAN CITIZENS TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK IN NOVEMBER. BUT, WHO DO WE VOTE FOR WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTING THE NEXT PRESIDENT? OUR CHOICES ARE VERY LIMITED

NO, NO, AND NO SOME MORE NO'S...THAT'S IT ILLEGAL CRIMINALS

What is an advanced degree worth? The Census reports that in 2006, workers with a bachelor's degree earned $56,788 vs. $31,071 for those with only a high school diploma. A labor study that same year found that 500 of the largest U.S. companies will lose 50% of their senior management by 2011. Our aging labor force needs to be replenished by those schooled to compete in a knowledge-based economy. Other countries are clamoring for a highly educated workforce just as we're driving students away.

Is this the new American way?

Marisa Treviño, who lives in Dallas, publishes the website Latina Lista.

Ok...First we hear this BS that illegal invaders are only doing the jobs "Americans do not want to do," despite the fact they are not entitled to work in this country. Now, illegal invaders are complaining because attending college for them is very difficult. Why in the world would we provide a college education to an illegal invader? An illegal invader with a college degree has even more incentive to commit identity theft to secure a job! Next, they will be demaning the right to work because they have college degrees!

Why should American citizens who have graduated from college and played by the rules, have to compete with an illegal invader who has no business being here in the first place!

Educating illegal invaders will give business and corporations even more incentive to utilize menial labor illegals if they also have a crop of educated illegals available who can speak their language in order to manage and direct those illegals. Solid, middle class jobs that Americans have relied upon to support themselves will go to illegals, thereby suppressing wages further.

It's already happening in some parts of this country. Try looking for a job in California and note how many of those jobs REQUIRE the applicant to have a college degree and speak spanish! In the past, I have posted several examples of such jobs here on ALIPAC...

No matter how much we give, it is never enough. Free education for 12+ years. Much better than they get in their "home" country. But since they are here and plan to stay, America should do more to advance the education of foreign national children.
These kids should start a business offering English classes. Not only would it benefit immigrants, it would benefit those of us who refuse to speak Spanish!
It is easy to see that as more Hispanics are elected to office, more will be given over to the illegal colonists occupying our country. That is why they want college educated kids. Then they will cry that the college education is no good without a right to work.
On and on and on and on, more, more, more