Hundreds march in opposition of Minuteman groups in New Mexi

LAS CRUCES, N.M. Hundreds of demonstrators marched through downtown Las Cruces today to protest the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps volunteer group.

Elected officials from New Mexico and Texas decried the volunteer-based border patrol group as racist and un-American.

The League of United Latin American Citizens organized the march and rally to show that Minuteman volunteers are not wanted in the area.

Minuteman volunteers plan to patrol parts of the border in New Mexico and Texas starting in October. They have repeatedly denied claims of racism.

The group gained international attention earlier this year when a contingent patrolled a section of the Mexican border in southern Arizona.

Minuteman member William N. Norris said the group's goal is not to stop immigration, but to ensure that immigrants -- quote -- "fill out the paperwork and sign the guest book at the gate."

Mary Jane Garcia, the majority whip of the New Mexico State Senate, called on the federal government to take action against the Minuteman volunteers and work on real reform of immigration laws.http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3631918

Do we even have any ALIPAC members from New Mexico ? Think it's time to start a campain against Mary Jane Garcia.

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Mary Jane Garcia, the majority whip of the New Mexico State Senate, called on the federal government to take action against the Minuteman volunteers

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exactly what "action" can the federal government take against citizens that are watching our borders that's not against their Constitutional rights? Perhaps she should requests the federal government "repel invasions" as is it's duty under the Constitution

Does Mary Jane Garcia propose the federal government take action against all those that volunteered in the military following 9/11 to protect our country?

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Mary Jane Garcia, the majority whip of the New Mexico State Senate, called on the federal government to take action against the Minuteman volunteers

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exactly what "action" can the federal government take against citizens that are watching our borders that's not against their Constitutional rights? Perhaps she should requests the federal government "repel invasions" as is it's duty under the Constitution

Does Mary Jane Garcia propose the federal government take action against all those that volunteered in the military following 9/11 to protect our country?

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Very good point

Mary Jane Garcia, the majority whip of the New Mexico State Senate, called on the federal government to take action against the Minuteman volunteers and work on real reform of immigration

I've a feeling that her idea of immigration reform is automatic amnesty, erasing the borders, the ousting of English from society, the deportation of whites to Europe, etc etc. etc.

These protesters aren't as powerful as they seem. If they were as powerful as they would have you believe they wouldn't be so threatened by a bunch of retirees in lawnchairs.

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These protesters aren't as powerful as they seem. If they were as powerful as they would have you believe they wouldn't be so threatened by a bunch of retirees in lawnchairs.

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they're threatened because they've been exposed "by a bunch of retirees in lawnchairs"

I'm sure most of the protesters were really young and naive--I would have been one of them if I were still 20 YO. I heard that one protester of the Arizona Minute Men totally went off on the MM--but agreed "something had to be done about illegal immigration." This kid felt that the MM were just going about it the wrong way. When pressed to suggest a better "way to go," she had no answer.

Kids are sweet and want everything to be fair to everybody and that's why I love them. However--the real world needs to have adults running it. Fair and informed adults.

Two questions to pose to the kids:

1) would you like to go to college?

2) are you willing to give up your seat to an illegal alien

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1) would you like to have a job?

2) are you willing to give up your job to an illegal alien

There are not enough of either for both, so what's it gonna be?

They'll get it pretty quick. One thing these kids today is money and that is takes alot of it to survive.

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This League of United Latin American Citizens probably PAID kids to get out there and protest. Maybe they even offered them free COFFEE and DONUTS!!!!

What the federal government NEEDS to do is get off their backsides and PROTECT OUR BORDERS so there won't be a NEED for citizen volunteers. That's the action they could take to solve this problem--not stop the Minutemen from doing the GOVERNMENT's job.

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Two questions to pose to the kids:

1) would you like to go to college?

2) are you willing to give up your seat to an illegal alien

OR:

1) would you like to have a job?

2) are you willing to give up your job to an illegal alien

There are not enough of either for both, so what's it gonna be?

They'll get it pretty quick. One thing these kids today is money and that is takes alot of it to survive.

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and they should answer

are you willing to die for people who are illegally in this country that are not required to sacrifice their lives for freedom

RIGHT ON BOOTSIE!!

The Government needs to do its job!!

But when you get right down to it, Border Patrol Agents are just Citizens with a job and training. All law enforcement consists of Citizens just like the Minute Men, just like you, me, ALIPAC members, etc. You know one of the articles said that Border Patrol didn't need the additional money to hire the additional Border Patrol Agents because they couldn't train that many this year anyway.

What does that mean? How long does it take to "train" a Border Patrol Agent? In World War II, our GI's were trained in 6 weeks, then Booted Off to Europe to SAVE THE WORLD against the strongest military force in the history of the world at that time that had been trained for years ahead of our people.

MAYBE they need a GI LEVEL BORDER PATROL AGENT, you know like a new category...Entry Level Border Guard, eh?

That $380,000,000 they are spending on free summer school programs for illegal aliens...would build some nice walls wouldn't it, hire some Citizens to stop the flow, hire some Citizens to round up the illegals already here, distribute flyers in the high alien neighborhoods warning them to leave voluntarily, write banks and employers alerting them that ICE, FINES and JAIL TIME is on the way, etc.

You know, a Campaign to let everyone know the US Government is going to enforce its laws and protect its Citizens.

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That $380,000,000 they are spending on free summer school programs for illegal aliens...would build some nice walls wouldn't it, hire some Citizens to stop the flow, hire some Citizens to round up the illegals already here, distribute flyers in the high alien neighborhoods warning them to leave voluntarily, write banks and employers alerting them that ICE, FINES and JAIL TIME is on the way, etc.
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$380,000,000 on free summer school programs for illegal aliens!!!

I haven't seen that ... with that kind of money, the United States could help clean up the inner-cities and get the homeless citizens off the street

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That $380,000,000 they are spending on free summer school programs for illegal aliens...would build some nice walls wouldn't it, hire some Citizens to stop the flow, hire some Citizens to round up the illegals already here, distribute flyers in the high alien neighborhoods warning them to leave voluntarily, write banks and employers alerting them that ICE, FINES and JAIL TIME is on the way, etc.
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$380,000,000 on free summer school programs for illegal aliens!!!

I haven't seen that ... with that kind of money, the United States could help clean up the inner-cities and get the homeless citizens off the street

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how about health insurance help for working Americans who can not afford insurance.

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how about health insurance help for working Americans who can not afford insurance.

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I've always agreed with that -- I think they've allocated $80 million for healthcare for aliens

but how many American children do we have living on the street? children that aren't privy to "free summer school programs for illegal aliens" or free education

Poverty in America:

1 American Child in 4 lives below the poverty line. That's 25% of OUR KIDS living in poverty....and no one in our Government gives a HOOT. Children live in poverty because their PARENTS can't find jobs that pay enough to earn enough to be above the poverty line. Most of the poor in America are working poor and not the welfare state most think. Minimum wage earners are all below the poverty line. In fact to get above the poverty line, you have to earn over $18,000 a year and have less than 4 in the family.

If you earn $6 an hour, substantially above minimum wage, and work 2000 hours a year, that's 40 hours x 50 weeks...you gross $12,000.

Most employers use 2000 hours as the other two weeks will be used up by holidays, sick leave, and family issues. They aren't paid for their time off.

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DOES ANYBODY CARE?

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DOES ANYBODY CARE?

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the Senate is more concerned about legalizing "illegal aliens" and providing for their "general welfare" than it is about securing our borders and securing jobs for American citizens

You're right Mamie, and I don't recall giving the US Senate the authority to concern itself with illegal aliens in any capacity other than arrest and deportation?

I didn't give my permissio for the US Senate to provide for the general welfare of illegal aliens, citizens of foreign nations breakng our laws, stealing our jobs, robbing our kids of their educations and futures?

DOES ANYONE REMEMBER ANY AMERICAN giving the US Senate authority to pursue this Sicko Wacko Evil-Parasite-from-Hell Agenda?

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AMEN, charlesoakisland! I am paying 3/4 of my monthly income on private health insurance. Now, that is indefensible.

Judy--I bet they could get us "combat ready" in LESS than 6 weeks. We already have the "attitude" and I can sure aim and shoot if they'll let me! What else would we need to learn to defend our borders?? Can't be all THAT difficult.

Bootsie...that's what I was thinking....how hard can it be to train a Border Patrol agent whose job is just to guard the border. I realize that as they move up the chain of command and do reports, management, develop technical designs for equipment and so forth that this might take some training, but guards on the border need to know how to guard the United States...like MP...Military Patrols. If our Minute Men can do it with their training program, then the Border Patrol with all their resources we pay for should be able to get trained border agents prepared to guard the borders, make arrests, and deport these people in short order--like you say, less than 6 weeks because they don't have to learn all that extra military tactics and equipment operation that our GI's had to learn.

AND, I'm a big believer of On-The-Job Training...they can learn as they work.

Is this what the government's going to tell us if we were invaded by a military force? Oh gee...they win because we can't fight back because it will take us too long the train the troops--so surrender before you even try? These people are not American. They are not acting or thinking like Americans.

WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE IN OUR GOVERNMENT COMING UP WITH ALL THIS NONSENSE?

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I expect BLET (Basic Law enforcement training) for Border Patrol runs about 600 hours of training including daily PT (which like most schools will have about a 3 mile run, x number of push-ups, pull ups-and sit-ups) and firearms training of side arm and shot gun with a min. passing score of about 75%.we won't get into all the federal state and local laws they have to cover both criminal and civil.Plus all the other fine points of handcuffing and searching etc.

If you flunk out of Infantry school they send you to MP or cook schools.

Well, Judy--it's going to be REALLY bad if they don't commit to training a WHOLE LOT more border patrol agents because don't forget where our NATIONAL Guard is. They are temporarily unavailable. And it might be LONG-TERM temporarily! So, they should take advantage of any help they can get and I was impressed with Mr. Bonner's willingness to accept volunteers---UNTIL the powers that be heard his statement and Chertoff came out and said that would not happen.

I really, really don't get it. They see what has just happened--not once, but twice--in London and they STILL don't realize that checking every 5th person who gets on a subway in New York is NOT going to even BEGIN to solve this problem. NO WAY in this world.

Maybe the police will pull a Rodney King on them

Now, that's a PLAN, BobC!! Maybe you could send them instructions.

So 600 hours if consecutive like in a boot camp style training would be how many weeks? Are "weeks" 40 hours? If 5 days a week, 8 hours a day, 40 hours a week, this would be 15 weeks of training...or almost 4 months once they hire them and arrange for their classes and since the they don't have the money to do it this year, the earliest would be October funding 2006 with training starting in 2007.

2 years too late to save the United States and the American People.

So...hmmmm....I guess it boils down to Citizens without any training.

Oh swell...

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Well, it appears that the argument is moot anyway because they aren't going to hire them. Don't forget--Jorge didn't budget but for 200 extra agents, the Senate voted in SOME more in the budget. Do you know if the House has voted on that yet??? The 9/11 Commission recommended 2000 a year for a total of 10,000 over the next 5 years. Isn't it interesting that, when Jorge WANTS something that the 9/11 Commission recommended, he plays that card to the max but, when it's something like OFFENDING his AMIGO, he cuts the number to 10 TIMES less than recommended????

Bootsie, don't know about the House. It was my understanding that it died in the Senate as this was an appropriation bill and the Senate is the last to approve it. Then it goes to "conference committee" to whittle out the differences and execute a budget. From I sense, it's over on that one and we will remain unprotected on the borders....which of course is the objective of the US Government as it wants open borders and what the US Government wants, it gets.

Unless something is done to stop it.

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I guess we need to research this one. If it died, we need to start another letter writing campaign to revive it.

It just never ceases to amaze me that these people who are supposed to be representing us have just abdicated their responsibility to protect this country.

As Bill O'Reilly says, it's going to take someone getting across our southern border and blowing up Texas to wake them up.

In my opinion, there is no waking up of the White House or US Senate. They are gone...there is still some hope in the House to do something, but not with that bill. They have plenty of time to add it to other appropriation bills, but they will be killed in the Senate. The Senate is Open Borders.

If somebody gets in and blows up Texas, they'll just make plans to rebuild it...like the WTC in New York....and won't even close the border then. If 9/11 didn't wake them up, they won't give a HOOT about Texas.

We also know from 9/11 that if somebody does blow up Texas...this President will just sit there, gather his thoughts and then high-tail it to the sky and some bunker without EVER asking, "is it nucular and do I need to active the National Missile Defense System".

WE are in extreme danger because for the first time in American History absolutely no one cares about our safety. They talk about it; but as they speak....they know it's just a deception because they have NO INTENTION of doing anything to keep anyone out.

They are just trackers. They are tracking this Muslim and that Muslim, but there is no reason to believe that the next incident will be carried out by Muslims or even Arabs or absolutely no reason to believe they will catch them before it happens.

Security isn't tracking after it happens.

Security is security the borders and removing all illegals. Yes, it could be carried out by a legal alien....but you reduces your risk by securing the borders and removing the illegals. Then you hone in on legal aliens and those with some reason to believe they are suspect, then just pull the visa and send them home. Why take the risk? It's not like we need people. We've got more than we can sustain successfully as it is.

The US Government doesn't give a HOOT about security. It's just a lot of talk to justify doing things that are either inappropriate; violations of our rights; reasons for huge expenditures that benefit contractors; and justification for ending the US through the Security and Prosperity Partnership Pact and creating the Big Hemisphere Nation.

It's disgusting. It's repugnant. And I'm really upset about it.

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NUCULAR!! LOVE IT!! It DOES look like, after all the ribbing he's taken about the way he pronounces "NuCLEAR", he could have had just enough BRAIN to practice saying it right! WHAT A BUFFOON!! And, don't forget--they have to hide out Cheney before they even BOTHER with the PResident. That speaks VOLUMES to me. Does that tell us who is the most important person in that administration????????? I'm POSITIVE he was in his bunker while Jorge was still reading to those kids.

You know--I KNOW this will sound like discrimination or profiling but those Japanese concentration camps in California during WWII could still be very effective for illegal Muslims AND Hispanics. Maybe it IS the funding that is preventing ICE from going after all these people but I have an idea that it's a lot deeper than that. I think they are INSTRUCTED not to go after them. And, you know, if local law enforcement is forbidden to even ASK if someone is here legally, they are making NO effort to get rid of them.

The Senate does appear to be a lost cause. We KNOW the White House is a lost cause. Are we fighting a losing battle??

$300 BBBBBillion in foreign aid, how about just taking some of this and fixing the problems that plague the folks that pay that money in!!!!!! Health care, Social Security, poverty, immigration control. When the heck do WE taxpayers come first???? I have an idea! How about the whole foreign aid budget comes exclusively from an extra tax on the wealthiest people in the country, how much of that 300 billion would there be?

That is just DOWNRIGHT BRILLIANT, Defens!!! I bet things would change THEN!! Perfect solution. Now, that you've solved that one, maybe they will come up with a health care plan so that I am not impoverished before I am 65 and can get Medicare!!

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In my opinion, there is no waking up of the White House or US Senate. They are gone...there is still some hope in the House to do something, but not with that bill. They have plenty of time to add it to other appropriation bills, but they will be killed in the Senate. The Senate is Open Borders.
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One way to get the attention of the Senate is for the people and the states to go after their jobs -- repeal the 17th Amendment and put the Senate back in the states where it belongs

That sounds like a PLAN, Mamie! Let's get to work on that one!

Lets do that!! Why not! It's our country; WE are the Americans; and WE decide what goes on around here including the US Senate!!

Bootsie and Judy -- I've been working on that but could use your help. Maybe William can also help us get it out there in our fight against amnesty for illegals --- if the American people find out these Senators for Mexico can't grant amnesty maybe they will demand the Senators being held accountable to the State and the people

I'm willing to give anything a shot, Mamie! Well, not LITERALLY!