Thread: Obama birth certificate faked?

Obama birth certificate faked?
Credibility staked on Daily Kos-derived image

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Posted: July 08, 2008
11:01 pm Eastern

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Questions over a birth certificate for Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama – the document that could prove his constitutional qualifications to run for the presidency – have been revived by a report from Israel Insider.

A blogger who earlier raised the "unlikely" but circulating rumor Obama was born not within the United States, but elsewhere, possibly Kenya, eventually said he was satisfied the senator was born in Hawaii.

WND's report on the questions over his birth site followed the Obama campaign secrecy over the issue and the U.S. Constitution's requirement presidents be "natural-born" U.S. citizens.

Jim Geraghty, reporting on the Campaign Spot, a National Review blog, had cited the "unlikely" possibility that Obama's 1961 birth was not within the United States.

At the time, he wrote, "If Obama were born outside the United States, one could argue that he would not meet the legal definition of natural-born citizen … because U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for '10 years, at least [f]ive of which had to be after the age of 16.'"

He then pointed out Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, was 18 when Obama was born "so she wouldn't have met the requirement of five years after the age of 16."

But when the Daily Kos website posted an image that appeared to be Obama's birth certificate, Geraghty announced he was satisfied.

However, investigative work done by the Insider now raises the possibility that the image posted on the Kos site, and an image later on the Obama campaign site, lack authenticity.

"Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of palpably fake Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same Daily Kos blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears," the new Insider report said.

The report said the publication had located a collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site, and the result is an implication that the Kos site as well as the candidate's own "Fight the Smears" website, are "misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance."

"Without a valid birth certificate, the primary record of U.S. birth, Obama cannot prove that he fulfills the 'natural born citizen' requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for president and throwing the race into turmoil," the Insider report said.

"His presumed Kenyan-born father was foreign-born, and his mother was too young at the time of birth to confer natural born status by virtue of her American citizenship. Thus his citizenship comes down to proving he was born in the USA, and his campaign has staked its credibility on the authenticity of the Daily Kos-derived birth certificate image," the report said.

McKinnon, who uses the "opendna" screen name, has posted various images described as a "Certification of Live Birth" on Photobucket, and they have a "common visual signature" which is a dot that appears in the same location on the images, the Insider said.

The same dot appears on the Kos certificate, and on the campaign's website, it also shows up "albeit a bit … smeared," the report said. It cited other similarities between the Obama certificate and the Photobucket version, including an identical birth time of 7:24 p.m.

"The odds of an identical time occurring by chance in two certificates is 1440 to 1," the report said. "Either the former is derived from the latter, or the latter is derived from the former."

"[One possibility] is that the blank document preceded the purported Obama birth certificate, serving as a 'master' for the other," the report said.

More significant, however, is a series of blog posts about the issue.

"opendna" suggests at one point using a "blank template" to print up a birth certificate. A certificate that follows has the 7:24 p.m. birth time and the name "Haye I.B. Ahphorgerie" as the person's name, the report said.

"The Ahphorgerie crop appears seven minutes before opendna posts the 'blank template' birth certificate image with the suggestion to 'print one up' for Obama. So opendna was working on the image at that time," the report said.

The report said the Ahphorgerie image and comments later were deleted from the discussion thread, "something that could only have been done by a site administrator or Kos himself."

The Insider report said the one assumption that is valid is that the controversy "should cause the Obama campaign to reassess its reliance on the image of the birth certificate published by the Daily Kos."

"If the birth certificate endorsed by his campaign turns out to be a fraud – and the overwhelming evidence assembled points to it being precisely that – what would that say about the credentials and judgment of the presidential candidate it purports to represent? Let alone his Constitutional eligibility to serve," the report said.

The presumptive Republican nominee for president, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., already has gone through the same type of challenge, and the U.S. Senate responded with a resolution in April declaring him to be a "'natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States."

That article declares that "no person except a natural born citizen … shall be eligible to the Office of president."

McCain was challenged because he was born to two U.S. citizens in the Panama Canal Zone.
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I'ld go 4 to 3 it is . Cair has a lot of money and obama is a Muslim and with a 9% approval of a very corrupt sorry Congress . Now is the Time .
America i do truly believe best get angry , no. Get Mad . We need some real leadership , real men and women for America . Can we quit voting for the bum with all the money ?
obama is scary crazy . McAmnesty is just ill-tempered and stupid married to a Queen ------ .

I don't know what the problem is, but there is something in the wind, which is why Hillary will not release her delegates.

It would be a dream come true....I can only pray that the certificate is false

Originally Posted by CitizenJustice

I don't know what the problem is, but there is something in the wind, which is why Hillary will not release her delegates.

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Little League baseball: Let's see. A 10 year old little boy wants to play Little League baseball.

1. If he wants to play, he better show up with a valid copy of his birth certificate.

2. But, on the other hand, if you run for President of the United States
you don't have to show your valid birth certificate to the public and the news media so they can examine it?

3. What is wrong with the picture above?

4. My point is this: If Obama was 10 years old and he wanted to play Little League baseball, he would have to show up with a valid birth certificate from Hawaii, the state where he says he was born.

5. If Obama would have to show his Hawaii birth certificate if he was 10 years old and wanted to play Little League, could someone please explain to me why Obama is stonewalling about showing his valid birth certificate from Hawaii as he runs for President of the United States?

6. What a mess. And Hawaii seems to have very strict privacy laws where only the person whose name is on the birth certificate, in this case Obama, can obtain a copy of Obama's birth certificate.

7. We need a new law: A person running for public office---federal, state, local---must provide a valid/certified birth certificate when he officially applies to run for a particular office.

Originally Posted by mirse

Originally Posted by CitizenJustice

I don't know what the problem is, but there is something in the wind, which is why Hillary will not release her delegates.

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Little League baseball: Let's see. A 10 year old little boy wants to play Little League baseball.

1. If he wants to play, he better show up with a valid copy of his birth certificate.

2. But, on the other hand, if you run for President of the United States
you don't have to show your valid birth certificate to the public and the news media so they can examine it?

3. What is wrong with the picture above?

4. My point is this: If Obama was 10 years old and he wanted to play Little League baseball, he would have to show up with a valid birth certificate from Hawaii, the state where he says he was born.

5. If Obama would have to show his Hawaii birth certificate if he was 10 years old and wanted to play Little League, could someone please explain to me why Obama is stonewalling about showing his valid birth certificate from Hawaii as he runs for President of the United States?

6. What a mess. And Hawaii seems to have very strict privacy laws where only the person whose name is on the birth certificate, in this case Obama, can obtain a copy of Obama's birth certificate.

7. We need a new law: A person running for public office---federal, state, local---must provide a valid/certified birth certificate when he officially applies to run for a particular office.

I just have a strange feeling your on to it !

Originally Posted by mirse

Originally Posted by CitizenJustice

I don't know what the problem is, but there is something in the wind, which is why Hillary will not release her delegates.

******
Little League baseball: Let's see. A 10 year old little boy wants to play Little League baseball.

1. If he wants to play, he better show up with a valid copy of his birth certificate.

2. But, on the other hand, if you run for President of the United States
you don't have to show your valid birth certificate to the public and the news media so they can examine it?

3. What is wrong with the picture above?

4. My point is this: If Obama was 10 years old and he wanted to play Little League baseball, he would have to show up with a valid birth certificate from Hawaii, the state where he says he was born.

5. If Obama would have to show his Hawaii birth certificate if he was 10 years old and wanted to play Little League, could someone please explain to me why Obama is stonewalling about showing his valid birth certificate from Hawaii as he runs for President of the United States?

6. What a mess. And Hawaii seems to have very strict privacy laws where only the person whose name is on the birth certificate, in this case Obama, can obtain a copy of Obama's birth certificate.

7. We need a new law: A person running for public office---federal, state, local---must provide a valid/certified birth certificate when he officially applies to run for a particular office.

We don't need a new law. The constitution flat out specifies the qualification of "natural born citizen" and thereby by default requires that one presents one's qualification upon running for such office.

But of course, we'll have to wait for it to get all the way to the Supreme Court before a judge(s) finally states the obvious - just as was the case for the Heller decision recently...


It would be like for example having a law that says: "All bicycles ridden on a public street after sundown must have an operable headlight."

...and then demanding a law that orders all cyclists "to report to the nearest bicycle shop, purchase a head light, obtain a screwdriver, obtain and insert batteries and attach headlight to the front of the bike."

It's redundant...

Problem is - no politician wants to step out and make the demand publicly out of fear of being labelled a "racist" or get taken for a "fool" by Obama in case he has a trick up his sleeve...so they'll just let the USC do their work for them if it gets that far...

...and that includes Hillary of course....who I suspect is behind this - but is relying on enough of US to push the issue - and I sense already that Obama has hundreds of volunteers already countering US to keep that from happening via bulletin boards, etc.

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Oh my goodness ... would that not rock the socks off the DNC that I think rigged his getting the nomination to begin with. Hillary got the most votes so how does she lose and he win?!!

It would seem to be that Obama could clear this up in two minutes if he wanted to or could. I have my birth certificate right here in my home. I could show it to anyone who requested it. Why can't Obama?

We do not need any additional laws to solve this issue. The law is quite specific and straight forward. The law is not the problem, it's the will and courage to enforce and abide by the law which is lacking!

The real problem here is that no one wants to step up to the plate and question Obama out of fear of being branded a racist. With the MSM in the tank for Obama, that very well could happen.

You're probably right NoBueno. Something is definitely amiss with this birth certificate deal.